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seebs said:No, no, no.
I don't want a list.
I want a way that, without access to a "cheat sheet", I can tell whether a given law is ceremonial or moral.
I want a pattern, not a set of pat answers. I want a moral principle I can live by, not a huge set of individual laws, each totally unrelated to the others. I'm a gentile Christian; I don't have to do mitzvah, and I don't see any reason to live by the Mosaic Law.
Of course, I am bound by the law Christ gave, so I have to love God and love my neighbor... But that leaves me with no reason to go combing through Leviticus reading passages there, because all the moral advice I need can be found in the Gospels.
Is there some reason for which the words of Jesus are not enough?
I currently think that homosexuality is a reproductive disorder which is in and of itself free of moral issues, being a purely biological construct. I have not yet found a genuinely compelling argument either way on the morality of gay sex as a general category.
If you would like to present this argument, I have a standing offer for a serious formal debate on the issue. I have been trying to get a solid argument on it for four years now.
However, primarily, my objection is to the use of Leviticus in a way that, so far as I can tell, does not permit a consistent interpretive framework.
I cannot see an obvious reason for which I should accept the Levitical condemnation of one thing, while ignoring the Levitical condemnation of another. I would like to see a description of this, preferably in the words of a participant here.
As an example, I have a friend who is firmly convinced that the Levitical injunction against tattoos still applies. Does it?
Seebs, the problem with your search for a good solid argument on this issue is simple, and we both know what it is. The bible never comes out and says "Homosexuality is a sin." because the term did not exist then. So we stretch the meaning of things and speculate the the best of our ability to try to make obviously VAGUE passages line up with our own personal beliefs. This is wrong. We can postulate on what we think god wants, or what he means but we will never know because he's obviously not going to clarify. It will be an endless debate, albeit a fun one, but we will never reach a universal truth on the matter. I'm fine with that, because frankly I don't care what bible thumpers believe (and i'm not generalising you here, because I know better from your previous posts that you actually like to think critically) as long as they don't try to impose their beliefs on me, which is unfortunately exactly what is happening with this topic
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