LDS What other words does the BOM use in the BC era which are out of place?

[ripple the car]

Here is the actual scripture:
(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 1:2)

2 Yea, I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians.

That's actually a bit worse. For the Jews, Hebrew is Leshon Kadosh. The Holy Language. Any Scripture is going to be recounted in Leshon Kadosh. Not Egyptian. Still makes zero sense.

Learning and language, for the Jews, are intrinsically united. Language itself conveys a meaning far beyond what is readily understood.

 

[Ironhold]

That's actually a bit worse. For the Jews, Hebrew is Leshon Kadosh. The Holy Language. Any Scripture is going to be recounted in Leshon Kadosh. Not Egyptian. Still makes zero sense.

Learning and language, for the Jews, are intrinsically united. Language itself conveys a meaning far beyond what is readily understood.

Note that he says "language of my father", indicating that Lehi or someone else in the family could have created a hybridized system for some reason, such as a form of secretarial shorthand.

 

[He is the way]

That's actually a bit worse. For the Jews, Hebrew is Leshon Kadosh. The Holy Language. Any Scripture is going to be recounted in Leshon Kadosh. Not Egyptian. Still makes zero sense.

Learning and language, for the Jews, are intrinsically united. Language itself conveys a meaning far beyond what is readily understood.

I believe that the Egyptian language is more condensed and would take less space to write.

 

[drstevej]

I believe that the Egyptian language is more condensed and would take less space to write.

Upon what basis do you conclude this?

 

[tampasteve]

I believe that the Egyptian language is more condensed and would take less space to write.

Archaeological evidence is of the opposite. There is evidence that Hebrew is derived from around 22 Egyptian hieroglyphs. One can write much more complex and thorough information, on a potentially smaller space with an alphabet of 22 characters than a hieroglyph catalog of a couple thousand.
Hebrew may be world's oldest alphabet

 

[tampasteve]

Note that he says "language of my father", indicating that Lehi or someone else in the family could have created a hybridized system for some reason, such as a form of secretarial shorthand.

Or possibly the people leaving the Holy Land did not know how to write Hebrew but did know how to write in hieroglyphs? One can be full of knowledge of Hebrew religion, culture, etc. but also not know how to write....though that is rather unlikely as the religion is tightly tied to scripture, and writing.

 

[drstevej]

I believe that the Egyptian language is more condensed and would take less space to write.

What is the Egyptian for this?

 

[dzheremi]

I believe that the Egyptian language is more condensed and would take less space to write.

Citation, please. I'll check it against the Bohairic and Sahidic grammars are I have.

 

[He is the way]

Upon what basis do you conclude this?

By comparison.

 

[He is the way]

What is the Egyptian for this?

Should look like this:
https://www.ancient.eu/img/r/p/750/6045.jpg?v=1485682678

 

[ripple the car]

I believe that the Egyptian language is more condensed and would take less space to write.

No, friend. Egyptian had several forms over the years. None of those forms would have been used by Jews living in the Holy Land around 600 years before Christ to transcribe historical or sacred information.

Hebrew is an abjad. Egyptian was hieroglyphic. Completely different. It's like a Ming dynasty scribe in China writing in the Sogdian script. In Beijing.

Secondly, the writing on the "Caractors" document? It's no form of Egyptian, ancient or contemporary. It's not even Demotic or Greek. I'm sorry. But it's like a man showing you characters on a scroll and claiming them to be Korean. And they're not.

 

[dzheremi]

Should look like this:
https://www.ancient.eu/img/r/p/750/6045.jpg?v=1485682678

This is patently false and silly. Hebrew and Egyptian are not the same language, though they are distantly genetically related (both are Afroasiatic, but Hebrew is Semitic, while Egyptian is not).

I'm waiting for your comparison of Egyptian and Hebrew, by the way. When you say "by comparison", it implies that you have compared/can compare the two.

 

[He is the way]

No, friend. Egyptian had several forms over the years. None of those forms would have been used by Jews living in the Holy Land around 600 years before Christ to transcribe historical or sacred information.

Hebrew is an abjad. Egyptian was hieroglyphic. Completely different. It's like a Ming dynasty scribe in China writing in the Sogdian script. In Beijing.

Secondly, the writing on the "Caractors" document? It's no form of Egyptian, ancient or contemporary. It's not even Demotic or Greek. I'm sorry. But it's like a man showing you characters on a scroll and claiming them to be Korean. And they're not.

Can you read and write Hebrew and Egyptian? I believe many of the Jews could.

 

[tampasteve]

Can you read and write Hebrew and Egyptian? I believe many of the Jews could.

It is unlikely many of them did, though I am sure that some did. They were slaves after all, and slaves generally are not taught higher educations as such. Some would have risen to positions where they may have learned, but the average Hebrew almost certainly could not read.

But your statement still does not address the question of sources other than your own feelings on the matter.

 

[He is the way]

This is patently false and silly. Hebrew and Egyptian are not the same language, though they are distantly genetically related (both are Afroasiatic, but Hebrew is Semitic, while Egyptian is not).

I'm waiting for your comparison of Egyptian and Hebrew, by the way. When you say "by comparison", it implies that you have compared/can compare the two.

I'm waiting for you to tell me I am wrong. Are you going to say that Egyptian is not more condensed than Hebrew?

 

[tampasteve]

I'm waiting for you to tell me I am wrong. Are you going to say that Egyptian is not more condensed than Hebrew?

But you made the initial claim that is is more condensed, the onerous is on you to show that it is.

 

[dzheremi]

What does "condensed" even mean? That doesn't mean anything to me in the abstract.

 

[tampasteve]

Why not simply leave it that the Nephi may have not known Hebrew, or thought more people would know Egyptian so wrote in that? This is not something that really has to be proven in either way. There are several reasons that are pretty reasonable. Maybe he also wrote a copy in Hebrew but it is lost to us now.

 

[ripple the car]

Can you read and write Hebrew and Egyptian? I believe many of the Jews could.

As slaves coming out of Egypt, familiarity with Egyptian as a spoken language would have been expected. Bear in mind, though, that the Hebrews already had a spoken and a written language of their own coming into Egypt, as well as exiting Egypt. It was in this Semitic spoken and written language that the Almighty spoke to and gave the Law to the Jews.

 

[drstevej]

Can you read and write Hebrew and Egyptian? I believe many of the Jews could.

The Jews in Egypt were slave laborers, not university students. Moses' adoption into Pharaoh's household placed him in a unique position. So why do you believe many Jews could. Any documentation or just a hunch?