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Just curious...
If in that verse it includes the 10 commandments, then why would it be contrary to us and against us? I'm talking about Col 2:14-17
Just asking guys...
Col 2:16 says nothing about the sabbath day itself. Paul being that he was a observing Jew would never advocate for others to act differently.
The key phrase in this verse is 'in respect of'. That means things connected to, associated to. Paul was actually saying let no man judge in food and drink and things associated to the holy days, sabbath and the new moon. The Jews made a thousand regulations regarding the sabbath. Paul was liberating the new gentile Christians from burden of the man-made Rabbinical laws, not from the delight of the sabbath of the 10 commandments of God.
Just curious...
If in that verse it includes the 10 commandments, then why would it be contrary to us and against us? I'm talking about Col 2:14-17
Just asking guys...
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Because Paul was talking about the Mosaic law.
Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Because Paul was talking about the Mosaic law.
Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Now that's biblical truth I can agree with. What Paul is calling "the handwriting of ordinances that was against us" is "all things" written in the book of the law.
Now where we disagree is that SDA claim the law of Moses is not the law of God. The book of Deuteronomy proves that those terms are interchangeably for the same law.
What I dont see implied, is that the book of the law was altered by Moses or the Rabbis in reference to what Paul is saying in Col 2.
It's because myself and Stryder and Adventists Crib and read these passages differently than you... what do you expect in an SDA room?
Does the SDA chruch make statement that:
Seventh-day Adventists accept the Bible as their only creed and hold certain fundamental beliefs to be the teaching of the Holy Scriptures.
If this is true then why would you look at passages differently and expect something different in an SDA room.
I believe the same as Cribstylyet I haven't a clue as to her place of worship. I only see that she takes her instruction from the Bible and the Bible alone. You cannot make that statement because it is very evident that your understanding comes from the writings of Ellen.
That statement is very typical of an outsider who does not understand SDA beliefs and how they were formulated.
When SDA beliefs were formed, Ellen White was only about 17 and had no formal education. What influence do you think an young girl could have on grown men during the mid-1800's?
SDA beliefs came from exhaustive bible studies and earnest prayers. Ellen White's prophetic gifts only later confirmed what they had come to believe. That's just a historical fact.
The bible ever since it was first written has been an subject to interpretation. The Jews had different factions and sects. Christianity has over 30000 denominations all based on how they interpret the bible.
When you have studied what we believe and what sets us apart, you can then ask why we believe in certain ways instead of saying our beliefs are not biblical and are based Ellen White's writings.
Sorry doesn't cut with me. I am told by The Word of God to:
Deuteronomy 18:15
The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him.
I listen to Him.
And in Matthew 17:5While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
I listen to Him.
Deuteronomy 20But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
I listen to Him
If you listen only to Him, can you tell me where He said to stop worshipping on the Sabbath? If the Sababth was a perpetual sign between Him and His people, there must be a 'thus saith the Lord' to change that, right?
His people were the nation of Israel, who rejected Him and ceased to be a nation about 70AD. No Sabbath was ever given to a Gentile.
If you listen only to Him, can you tell me where He said to stop worshipping on the Sabbath? If the Sababth was a perpetual sign between Him and His people, there must be a 'thus saith the Lord' to change that, right?
Did Jesus teach that? Did He not minister to the Samaritan as well as the Jew? God's people have always been those that worshipped Him and obeyed Him, period. From Adam, to Enoch to Abraham to Moses to David to Daniel to Paul to Luther to us at the end of the world.... 'I change not'
Jesus never commanded Sabbath observance of a Samaritan. You don't obey all the laws given to the nation of Israel. We are not under obligation to follow signs and covenants given exclusively to Israel. Christianity and Judaism are different religions. We are to obey God, but not all signs and covenants are given by God universally.
Therefore I can not find where Jesus has commanded me or you or anyone else to keep the Sabbath.
His people were the nation of Israel, who rejected Him and ceased to be a nation about 70AD. No Sabbath was ever given to a Gentile.
Read it and believe if it's God's word. It's not that complicated.. It's not funny either.
All the laws that Israel received came from God. Moses was the stewart of that law, which is why it is refered to as the law of Moses. And again, it's not worth arguing over. You imply that Paul is saying don't do xyz, while I imply that he is telling them to keep on doing xyz.These text are in form of a letter. It's says...dont let anyone judge you on meats, drink, holy days or sabbath days. Your commentary is what is introducing the law of Moses is implied. Your commentary implies that the law of Moses is seperate from the Law of God.
When we stay with the context we dont find Paul talking about only ceromonially laws or whatever you want to imply as the law of Moses. We find him talking about transgressions that lead to death that was against us. Hello???
What you should do is show us why you think that Paul is talking about the law of Moses. Where in the scriptures did Moses come up with a law about, what to eat, drink, Holy days and sabbaths to keep apart from what's in God's law.
Mark 9:22 It has often thrown him into fire or water to kill him. But if you can do anything, take pity on us and help us.Matt 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
We are told what these commandments are in Mark
Mark 10:19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Here are other verses that Jesus commanded...
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Here are the fruits of keeping the Commandments...
1 John 2:3,4
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Based on the last verse, what makes you think you are going to enter heaven without keeping the Commandments?
If you listen only to Him, can you tell me where He said to stop worshipping on the Sabbath? If the Sababth was a perpetual sign between Him and His people, there must be a 'thus saith the Lord' to change that, right?
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