what needs to be done?

[Cash80]

Dear Mr. Pirate:

I would like to summarize briefly on your comments,

Dr. Nicolosi is not a Christian leader, he is a scientist, therefore his views don't apply to the biblical interpretations of Romans 1, said by conservative Christians.

Furthermore, all those quotes you took from Pat Robertson and Family Research Council have dealt with homosexual behavior, not homosexual orientation. Homosexual orientation, meaning attractiveness to the same gender is not a sin, just a temptation, while homosexual behavior is a sexual sin, and it is sick and perverse. So, Robertson was right about that, and various political gay activists falsely charge conservative Christians by accusing them that they got something against gays just for being attracted to the same gender. That is mostly untrue. The only person who claims to be a Christian but have said that God hates gays, is Fred Phelps. However, many conservative Christians prefer not to associate with him, and consider him to be an embarassment to the Christian faith, even Robertson and Dobson.

As far as Dobson, he has never said that gay parents are bad parents. Please, see the link I mentioned in this thread. In December 2006, he published an article in Times magazine:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1568485,00.html

Pay attention to these words:

With all due respect to Cheney and her partner, Heather Poe, the majority of more than 30 years of social-science evidence indicates that children do best on every measure of well-being when raised by their married mother and father. That is not to say Cheney and Poe will not love their child. But love alone is not enough to guarantee healthy growth and development. The two most loving women in the world cannot provide a daddy for a little boy--any more than the two most loving men can be complete role models for a little girl.

He admitted that Ms. Cheney and Ms. Poe would be excellent parents, but also pointed out that children need a mother and a father because of gender differences that compliment one another, and he used reliable researches to back it up. Logically speaking, same sex parents cannot do that. That's what important.

http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000003582.cfm

In this link, it shows that the researches he used were vaild, and once again, he was wrongfully accused of twisting researches by the Radical Left. BTW, that Stacy and Biblarz research also indicate that some children raised in same-sex parenting, could become interested in experimenting with homosexuality, which could lead to having a gay identity. That's another reason, why gay adoption is risky. It's just not fair for the kids.

I see that you are so hung up about Soulforce and other liberal gays going after Dobson. Maybe, they are justified by doing it, because you know, Dobson wants to change politics in the way, they dont' like, so they try to change his political opinion. that's understandable.

However, I find it totally unacceptable for them to go after Christian schools, private organizations, because they are bothering innocent students who just want to be left alone, and have a safe space, which would accomodate their beliefs. These "Equality" Riders just want to impose their left-wing beliefs on them. You know, Soulforce's position on Jesus is pretty unitarian, imho.

I am pretty much sure, you wouldn't feel right if a bunch of conservative Christian preachers would enter gay bars, also private organizations, and start calling everybody sinners and asking all gay people there to repent. I certainly, wouldn't feel right about this, because I respect people's right to privacy and freedom to associate guaranteed by the First Amendment, so why can't Soulforce return the favor?

As far as backing my claims, i think I already posted appropriate links for this matter, so all you gotta do is, do your homework.

Peace,

Sam

PS: Do you know that it's not only fundamentailist Christians who speak out about the problems caused by gay rights activism, but also gay people themselves? Like, Tammy Bruce, Randy Thomas, and Andrew Sullivan. Do these names sound familiar to you?

 

[tulc]

Dude, aren't you supposed to be moving? Shouldn't you be packing or popping ibuprofen and practicing lifting with your legs?
tulc(who has moved enough to know when someone is ducking out, and you know, "just checking my email")

 

[Cash80]

Dude, aren't you supposed to be moving? Shouldn't you be packing or popping ibuprofen and practicing lifting with your legs?
tulc(who has moved enough to know when someone is ducking out, and you know, "just checking my email")

Like I said, I don't move until next Monday. Apparently, I still have internet access from other places, but not at my house. It's just Mr. Pirate keeps saying things that prevent me from not participating. Maybe, you should blame or thank him for that Also, if you could make sure he doesn't bite everybody's head off (figuratively speaking, of course) in this thread, I'd greatly appreciate it .

BTW, I am moving my furniture outside next Friday, so there is not much to lift.

And Happy Birthday!!

 

[OllieFranz]

Like I said, I don't move until next Monday. Apparently, I still have internet access from other places, but not at my house. It's just Mr. Pirate keeps saying things that prevent me from not participating. Maybe, you should blame or thank him for that Also, if you could make sure he doesn't bite everybody's head off (figuratively speaking, of course) in this thread, I'd greatly appreciate it .

BTW, I am moving my furniture outside next Friday, so there is not much to lift.

[mild derail] "Apparently, I still have internet access from other places" -- So are you saying that you suddenly found yourself magically transported somewhere other than home and were surprised to find yourself in front of a computer not your own with Internet access? And you are not sure whether it is real or a dream?

"It's just Mr. Pirate keeps saying things that prevent me from not participating." -- So you were minding your own business. It was Mr. Pirate who magically transported you to the foreign computer, and he forced your fingers onto the keyboard?

I'm not criticizing that you are on the board, just remarking that the way you have chosen to explain your prescence paints an odd picture of your life. [/mild derail]

 

[Cash80]

[mild derail] "Apparently, I still have internet access from other places" -- So are you saying that you suddenly found yourself magically transported somewhere other than home and were surprised to find yourself in front of a computer not your own with Internet access? And you are not sure whether it is real or a dream?

"It's just Mr. Pirate keeps saying things that prevent me from not participating." -- So you were minding your own business. It was Mr. Pirate who magically transported you to the foreign computer, and he forced your fingers onto the keyboard?

I'm not criticizing that you are on the board, just remarking that the way you have chosen to explain your prescence paints an odd picture of your life. [/mild derail]

All right, you smarty pants

I disconnected my internet service, and I've said that I thought I won't be posting much here, because of that.

I still check Internet, either at the library, or at local college, where I am right now, but not very often.

Mr. Pirate is saying things in a way that engage me into saying more stuff. That's why when I have time, I go to ohter computers, like library and see what's going on.

Clear as mud?

But, enough about me. Let's focus on the thread's subject. You can call discuss it among yourselves, without worrying about me.

 

[OllieFranz]

I understood that. It's just the way you chose to describe it struck me funny.

 

[MrPirate]

Dr. Nicolosi is not a Christian leader, he is a scientist, therefore his views don't apply to the biblical interpretations of Romans 1, said by conservative Christians.

I have a few thousand quotes by conservative Christians promoting every form of anti-gay bigotry form legalized discrimination to torture, to disfigurement to mass murder…would you like me to put some of those up as replacements?

Furthermore, all those quotes you took from Pat Robertson and Family Research Council have dealt with homosexual behavior, not homosexual orientation. Homosexual orientation, meaning attractiveness to the same gender is not a sin, just a temptation, while homosexual behavior is a sexual sin,

This is like saying men in white sheets burn crosses in peoples yards because of their behavior not the color of their skin.

and it is sick and perverse.

It’s hatred that his sick and preverse

So, Robertson was right about that, and various political gay activists falsely charge conservative Christians by accusing them that they got something against gays just for being attracted to the same gender. That is mostly untrue. The only person who claims to be a Christian but have said that God hates gays, is Fred Phelps. However, many conservative Christians prefer not to associate with him, and consider him to be an embarassment to the Christian faith, even Robertson and Dobson.

Why do they try to disassociate with a man who says exactly the same things they do?

As far as Dobson, he has never said that gay parents are bad parents. Please, see the link I mentioned in this thread. In December 2006, he published an article in Times magazine:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1568485,00.html

Pay attention to these words:

And here Dobson is lying about “more than 30 years of social-science evidence” as relating to his attack on these two women. such evidence does not exist and the truth is that these studies show that children raised by gay and lesbian parents fare no better and no worse than their heterosexually raised peers. It is obvious that the “more than 30 years of social-science evidence” is not about parenting by gay and lesbian individuals or couples at all but, rather, addressed child development in a single-parent home versus a two-parent home.

Interesting that you would bring the Time Magazine piece. You might recall the small storm that rose up because of it. Seems a few of the scientist Dobson cited were not happy about how he misrepresented their work. Dr. Kyle Pruett of Yale Medical School

"I was quite surprised, even dumbfounded, to see my name listed [Dobson’s position] couldn't be further than either my personal or professional position."

Then there was his misrepresentation of Dr. Carol Gilligan. In fact GIlligan wrote to Dobson on the subject: “I am writing to ask that you cease and desist from quoting my research in the future. I was mortified to learn that you had distorted my work this week in a guest column you wrote in Time Magazine. Not only did you take my research out of context, you did so without my knowledge to support discriminatory goals that I do not agree with. What you wrote was not truthful and I ask that you refrain from ever quoting me again and that you apologize for twisting my work. [T]here is nothing in my research that would lead you to draw the stated conclusions you did in the Time article. My work in no way suggests same-gender families are harmful to children or can't raise these children to be as healthy and well adjusted as those brought up in traditional households. I trust that this will be the last time my work is cited by Focus on the Family.”

Dr. Pruett also wrote to Dobson:
“I was startled and disappointed to see my work referenced in the current Time Magazine piece in which you opined that social science, such as mine, supports your convictions opposing lesbian and gay parenthood. I write now to insist that you not quote from my research in your media campaigns, personal or corporate, without previously securing my permission.
You cherry-picked a phrase to shore up highly (in my view) discriminatory purposes. This practice is condemned in real science, common though it may be in pseudo-science circles. There is nothing in my longitudinal research or any of my writings to support such conclusions. On page 134 of the book you site in your piece, I wrote, "What we do know is that there is no reason for concern about the development or psychological competence of children living with gay fathers. It is love that binds relationships, not sex."

In this link, it shows that the researches he used were vaild,

Yet those same researchers were upset by how Dobson lied and misrepresented their work….so how can you pretend that the use was “valid”?

and once again, he was wrongfully accused of twisting researches by the Radical Left. BTW, that Stacy and Biblarz research also indicate that some children raised in same-sex parenting, could become interested in experimenting with homosexuality, which could lead to having a gay identity.

You obviously have never read the Stacey and Biblarz paper. Sadly that fact did not stop you from baring false witness about what they presented.

That's another reason, why gay adoption is risky. It's just not fair for the kids.

Having their parents lied about and maligned …yes that is unfair….so why do you support such things?

I see that you are so hung up about Soulforce and other liberal gays going after Dobson. Maybe, they are justified by doing it, because you know, Dobson wants to change politics in the way, they dont' like, so they try to change his political opinion. that's understandable.

Ignoring the fact you brought up Soulforce and then proceeded to misrepresent them. Or…more accurately…they confront the lies made by focus on the family. One notes that Soulforce has said nothing about Dobson’s politics…their complaint is his use of false witness.

However, I find it totally unacceptable for them to go after Christian schools, private organizations, because they are bothering innocent students who just want to be left alone, and have a safe space, which would accomodate their beliefs. These "Equality" Riders just want to impose their left-wing beliefs on them. You know, Soulforce's position on Jesus is pretty unitarian, imho.

Their beliefs are so shaky that they cannot handle the confrontation of lies?

I am pretty much sure, you wouldn't feel right if a bunch of conservative Christian preachers would enter gay bars, also private organizations, and start calling everybody sinners and asking all gay people there to repent.

Interesting little game you pulled there. Comparing Christian colleges with bars.

Actually I am quite sure that as a whole gays and lesbians are used to being attacked by bigots and hate mongers

I certainly, wouldn't feel right about this, because I respect people's right to privacy and freedom to associate guaranteed by the First Amendment, so why can't Soulforce return the favor?

you respect peoples rights…but not the rights of the people of Soulforce

As far as backing my claims, i think I already posted appropriate links for this matter, so all you gotta do is, do your homework.

The links you posted not only do not back up your attacks they show you are misrepresenting these good people.

Peace,

I prefer truth…

 

[Cash80]

Here is the truth, and it's quote from that Citizenlink article:

What homosexual activists and their sympathizers are trying to do, Schneeberger added, is shut up their critics.
"What they are saying is, 'Not only can you not have the beliefs that you have, but you can't use science to back up your beliefs, or we'll accuse you of misusing science.' "

Apparently, some gay activists, probably including members of Soulforce, have contacted Drs. Pruett and Gilligan and asked them to denounce Dobson. This is why I see gay rights movement as being draconian. Not only it threatens religious freedom of expression, but it also attacks scientific researches. What liberals want, is to have researches to be considered as valid, not the ones that are scientifically correct, but only those that are politically correct. The only reason Dobson got bashed by Pruett and Gilligan because he was not politically correct, despite the fact that their work was valid. Gees, that's sounds exactly like it was happening in a former Soviet Union, where my parents came from! That's why I believe it is important to prevent it from happening.

As far as respecting the rights of Soulforce, that's a tough call. They are actively involved in disrespecting rights of people who disagree with them in a democratic society. Their webmaster Jamie McDaniel even bragged that he as as activist will make sure that people with different views on homosexuality and marriage, will not be seen as people with a different opinion, but only as discriminators. What is that? And this is happening in a democratic society, with freedom of speech! So, what kind of rights are they asking? Rights to have a thought police society, rights to disregard private properties, resembling Nazi Germany and Communist Russia? Sorry, but that's how they appear to be.

As far as Judith Stacey, in her research she indicated that very little is known about gay parenting, therefore it is too early to draw a valid conclusion to what extent gays are good parents. Anyway, her research indicated that children raised in same-sex parenting would have a greater probability of developing gender role neutrality and confusion than children raised in heterosexual households. For that reason, her valid research was used in New York State Supreme Court to rule against gay marriage, stating that it would be best for kids to have a female mother and a male father, so they won't be gender confused, let alone become gay themselves.

Isn't it strange that, during that time, she didn't complain that she was being misused by New York State lawmakers who wanted to preserve traditional marriage?

And yes, please, show me some information where you claim that conservative Christians have advocated tortures and mass murder of gays. I would like to hear that. I personally have not heard anything like that coming from public figures of the Christian community like Billy Graham, James Dobson, or Pat Robertson.

Look, I love gay people like I love everybody else, and this is why I believe to tell them the biblical truth. I believe that there is a chance to inherit the kingdom of God for everybody, and that Jesus can reach the hearts of all people, including the members of Soulforce.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Here is the truth, and it's quote from that Citizenlink article:

The fact remains that Mr. Dobson did in fact misrepresent the scientists in question.

Apparently, some gay activists, probably including members of Soulforce, have contacted Drs. Pruett and Gilligan and asked them to denounce Dobson.

I find that claim incredulous beyond words.

You are trying to say that legitimate researchers, scientists, care so little bout their reputation that they bend to the whims of some webpage?

Here we have an example of a Mr. Dobson misrepresenting the legitimate work of these scientists…well technically he lied about the research of these scientists and they called him to task for his misrepresentation and instead of being upset at Dobson for his dishonesty in this matter you are defending his false witness and attacking the people he wronged.



Please explain why it is acceptable for Mr. Dobson to present false witness.
And please explain why it is somehow wrong for those he misrepresented to confront him and ask that he stop doing so?

This is why I see gay rights movement as being draconian. Not only it threatens religious freedom of expression, but it also attacks scientific researches. What liberals want, is to have researches to be considered as valid, not the ones that are scientifically correct, but only those that are politically correct. The only reason Dobson got bashed by Pruett and Gilligan because he was not politically correct, despite the fact that their work was valid.

First you defend Mr. Dobson when he lied about the legitimate research of these scientists now you bare false witness yourself. Mr. Dobson was confronted by these scientists because he lied about their work.
Do you think it is morally acceptable to lie?
Your defense of false witness by Mr. Dobson would indicate that you certainly think it is acceptable

As far as Judith Stacey, in her research she indicated that very little is known about gay parenting, therefore it is too early to draw a valid conclusion to what extent gays are good parents.

“research in psychology concludes that there are no differences in developmental outcomes between children raised by lesbigay parents and those raised by heterosexual parents. The analysis here challenges this defensive conceptual framework and analyzes how heterosexism has hampered intellectual progress in the field.” Judith Stacey and Timothy Biblarz “(How) Does Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter?” American Sociological Review, 2001, Vol. 66 (April:159–183) 159

Anyway, her research indicated that children raised in same-sex parenting would have a greater probability of developing gender role neutrality and confusion than children raised in heterosexual households.

In a homophobic world, anti-gay forces deploy such results to deny parents custody of their own children and to fuel backlash movements opposed to gay rights.” Judith Stacey and Timothy Biblarz “(How) Does Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter?” American Sociological Review, 2001, Vol. 66 (April:159–183) 159

For that reason, her valid research was used in New York State Supreme Court to rule against gay marriage, stating that it would be best for kids to have a female mother and a male father, so they won't be gender confused, let alone become gay themselves.


Isn't it strange that, during that time, she didn't complain that she was being misused by New York State lawmakers who wanted to preserve traditional marriage?

Point of fact she was not being misrepresented
Her work was cited accurately “[R]easerch almost uniformly reports findings of no noticeable difference between children raised by heterosexual parents and those reared by lesbian and gay parents.”
Columbia Law Review Dec 2006, vol 106, number 8

And yes, please, show me some information where you claim that conservative Christians have advocated tortures and mass murder of gays. I would like to hear that. I personally have not heard anything like that coming from public figures of the Christian community like Billy Graham, James Dobson, or Pat Robertson.

You might try Paul Cameron

Look, I love gay people like I love everybody else, and this is why I believe to tell them the biblical truth. I believe that there is a chance to inherit the kingdom of God for everybody, and that Jesus can reach the hearts of all people, including the members of Soulforce.

From reading the links you provided of soulforce, it seems they are already working for the truth of God. perhaps you should pray for those who are not working for the truth such as Mr. Dobson

 

[Cash80]

I see that this thread is turning to a drift. I think we need to start a new one, dealing specifically with gay parenting and researches supporting it. I also think that we need to have a new thread about Focus on the Family.

From reading the links you provided of soulforce, it seems they are already working for the truth of God.

However, I am amazed by the implication that Soulforce is following God. What kind of god do they follow, when they vigorously promote interfaith ecumenism, and just recently its president Mel White, in his new book "Religion gone bad" called Christians who believe that Jesus is the only way and in Bible being inerrant authoritative word of God, as idolators?

 

[MrPirate]

The fact remains that Mr. Dobson did in fact misrepresent the scientists in question.




I find that claim incredulous beyond words.

You are trying to say that legitimate researchers, scientists, care so little bout their reputation that they bend to the whims of some webpage?

Here we have an example of a Mr. Dobson misrepresenting the legitimate work of these scientists…well technically he lied about the research of these scientists and they called him to task for his misrepresentation and instead of being upset at Dobson for his dishonesty in this matter you are defending his false witness and attacking the people he wronged.



Please explain why it is acceptable for Mr. Dobson to present false witness.
And please explain why it is somehow wrong for those he misrepresented to confront him and ask that he stop doing so?




First you defend Mr. Dobson when he lied about the legitimate research of these scientists now you bare false witness yourself. Mr. Dobson was confronted by these scientists because he lied about their work.
Do you think it is morally acceptable to lie?
Your defense of false witness by Mr. Dobson would indicate that you certainly think it is acceptable












“research in psychology concludes that there are no differences in developmental outcomes between children raised by lesbigay parents and those raised by heterosexual parents. The analysis here challenges this defensive conceptual framework and analyzes how heterosexism has hampered intellectual progress in the field.” Judith Stacey and Timothy Biblarz “(How) Does Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter?” American Sociological Review, 2001, Vol. 66 (April:159–183) 159




In a homophobic world, anti-gay forces deploy such results to deny parents custody of their own children and to fuel backlash movements opposed to gay rights.” Judith Stacey and Timothy Biblarz “(How) Does Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter?” American Sociological Review, 2001, Vol. 66 (April:159–183) 159




Point of fact she was not being misrepresented
Her work was cited accurately “[R]easerch almost uniformly reports findings of no noticeable difference between children raised by heterosexual parents and those reared by lesbian and gay parents.”
Columbia Law Review Dec 2006, vol 106, number 8



You might try Paul Cameron




From reading the links you provided of soulforce, it seems they are already working for the truth of God. perhaps you should pray for those who are not working for the truth such as Mr. Dobson

Shame on you Wlf! When you present facts that contradict Cash’s claims…That’s oppressing him…so stop it!

 

[MrPirate]

However, I am amazed by the implication that Soulforce is following God. What kind of god do they follow,

Maybe one who promotes honesty.

 

[Cash80]

I don't feel oppressed, at all. In a democratic society, we all should be allowed to present evidences that support our beliefs, regardless how erroneous they might appear to be, to other parties.

Wlf presented examples to support his beliefs, and I presented examples that support my beliefs. There is nothing wrong with that, as far as I can see.

I know that Jesus in John 14:6 said that he was the only way and the only truth, and in Mark 16 said that whoever does not believe that he was God who died for our sins and rose from the dead, will be condemned, but Soulforce tend to promote ecumenism by claiming that other faiths also lead to God, just like Christianity, for different people. That sounds like a very strange god. What kind of honesty is that?

 

[Floatingaxe]

However, I am amazed by the implication that Soulforce is following God. What kind of god do they follow

They prove that they do not even know God, but rather have a religious experience of some sort--to keep their perversion alive. It's not God, it's Mr. Pie-in-the-sky. I watched that insipid Soulforce video. Pathetic.

 

[davedjy]

They prove that they do not even know God, but rather have a religious experience of some sort--to keep their perversion alive. It's not God, it's Mr. Pie-in-the-sky. I watched that insipid Soulforce video. Pathetic.

 

[Cash80]

They prove that they do not even know God, but rather have a religious experience of some sort--to keep their perversion alive. It's not God, it's Mr. Pie-in-the-sky. I watched that insipid Soulforce video. Pathetic.

Amen. Very well said. But, what should we do as Christians, how should we react to something like that? Should we prevent that insipid and pathetic propaganda from seizing power?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Amen. Very well said. But, what should we do as Christians, how should we react to something like that? Should we prevent that insipid and pathetic propaganda from seizing power?

I don't think we can prevent the Niagara-esque onslaught of evil in these last days. However, we as light and salt must as Paul instructed in:
1 Corinthians 16:13...
Watch, stand fast in the faith, be brave, be strong.



This realm is Satan's territory. We are citizens of Heaven. These things must occur to usher in the Kingdom! We will be valiant, and stand until the end. Together. Amen!




Ephesians 6:11-13
Put on all of God’s armor so that you will be able to stand firm against all strategies of the devil. For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.
Therefore, put on every piece of God’s armor so you will be able to resist the enemy in the time of evil. Then after the battle you will still be standing firm.

 

[Cash80]

I don't think we can prevent the Niagara-esque onslaught of evil in these last days. However, we as light and salt must as Paul instructed in:
1 Corinthians 16:13...
Watch, stand fast in the faith, be brave, be strong.



This realm is Satan's territory. We are citizens of Heaven. These things must occur to usher in the Kingdom! We will be valiant, and stand until the end. Together. Amen!




Ephesians 6:11-13
Put on all of God’s armor so that you will be able to stand firm against all strategies of the devil. For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.
Therefore, put on every piece of God’s armor so you will be able to resist the enemy in the time of evil. Then after the battle you will still be standing firm.

I personally think the reason why Dobson is being heavily attacked by Radical Left, including the Gay Gestapo, because his words are so appealing to the public. His logical arguments become able to convince the public audience that we, as a society, don't need to have a civil same-sex marriage, in the light of promoting democracy and liberty. This is why, radical Gay Gestapo, including Soulforce want to silence him and other Christians, wherefore they to do away with democracy and liberty. All they want is a thought control and their desire for money, such as economic benefits, is evident.

For what it's worth, I suggest you check this video about the debate between the representatives of Soulforce and Focus on the Family:
http://www.soulforce.org/article/1302

Pretty interesting, IMHO.

 

[lincolngreen50]

Hello everybody,

I am concerned about a very important issue:

The thing is I see how political gay rights movement systematically operates in our culture, where Christians are ending up being persecuted: like in Missouri State University, a student almost got expelled because she opposed gay adoption, there are many more cases like that. Now, there is a movement called Soulforce, whose attempt is to influence public opinion that the biblical position on homosexuality that many Christians hold, is an act of hateful violence. I wasn't convinced of that until I went to their website, and humbly shared with them the information about how our Christian brothers and sisters are being discriminated for their beliefs. I wanted to raise awareness, hoping to reach their hearts. Some of them seemed respectful at first, but then started accusing me of being 'antigay.' They even called an organization Alliance Defense Fund, that helped a lot of people defend their 1st Amendment right, as something similar to Nazism. I told them that I thought it was not right to call anybody who stands for justice, as ADF does, as antigay or so forth and I left. Was I being too harsh? But I believe I had to say that.

I'm worried folks, these guys go around the country and talk how oppressed they are and blame conservative Christians for that, attack Christian schools, and compare family advocates like James Dobson and James Kennedy to Hitler's Nazis. Just check what Soulforce has done in front of Focus on the Family headquarters a few months ago:
http://www.soulforce.org/article/1257

In this video, they talked about "hate speech" and changing laws. What could be that about?

God knows, what could happen if their rhetoric could influence the government. The question I have is: how do we reach people like that with Christ's love and tell them the truth at the same time? At the same time, does anybody think that activism like that should be prevented?

I need to know,

Sammy

Dear Sammy, currently they are debating in the House of Commons in the UK in regards to a hate crime bill.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7034649.stm

This law will target anyone who tried to incite hate regarding gay people. For example: a hiphop rapper could be arrested and sentence for 7 years for his lyrics as stated in the articule just for singing about it and inciting hate.

The problem with this is there is already laws to protect the gay community here in Britain.
What is concerning the religious community is that this law could target them. The law is still under debate and has not yet passed however, the Christian groups on this side of the pond are concerned that it will affect 'free speech'. If we quote from the book of Leviticus or Corinthians will we be arrested for what we believe in...from our own pulpits?

IMHO, especially in the EU, the human laws that were meant to protect are starting to affect the freedoms and rights of individuals especially in their speech Most people are law abiding whether Christian or not. Christians as a whole obey the laws of the land because scripture instructs us to.
However, all the laws in the books can not stop THOSE people who have disregard for the law and continue breaking them will still break them anyhow. These laws are really meant to stifle free speech.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I personally think the reason why Dobson is being heavily attacked by Radical Left, including the Gay Gestapo, because his words are so appealing to the public. His logical arguments become able to convince the public audience that we, as a society, don't need to have a civil same-sex marriage, in the light of promoting democracy and liberty. This is why, radical Gay Gestapo, including Soulforce want to silence him and other Christians, wherefore they to do away with democracy and liberty. All they want is a thought control and their desire for money, such as economic benefits, is evident.

For what it's worth, I suggest you check this video about the debate between the representatives of Soulforce and Focus on the Family:
http://www.soulforce.org/article/1302

Pretty interesting, IMHO.

I saw the video. It is truly disgusting. My prayer is for the physical and spiritual fortitude of people on the front lines such as our fellow soldier and brother, James Dobson and his people! God bless them richly!