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And you sound like someone who is trying to have there cake and eat it too. If you don't believe the "fantastical claims" of the OT are true then don't ask silly questions with the pretense that the claims are true. Perhaps you or the OP should find an extra-Biblical example or a documented historical account where a people who called themselves "Israelites" massacred an entire nation because they claimed God told them.Sounds like you are utterly unable, to take a step back and consider the position of someone who doesn't believe the fantastical claims of the OT.
And you sound like someone who is trying to have there cake and eat it too. If you don't believe the "fantastical claims" of the OT are true then don't ask silly questions with the pretense that the claims are true.
Perhaps you or the OP should find an extra-Biblical example or a documented historical account where a people who called themselves "Israelites" massacred an entire nation because they claimed God told them.
And you sound like someone who is trying to have there cake and eat it too. If you don't believe the "fantastical claims" of the OT are true then don't ask silly questions with the pretense that the claims are true. Perhaps you or the OP should find an extra-Biblical example or a documented historical account where a people who called themselves "Israelites" massacred an entire nation because they claimed God told them.
I don't think I'm the only person here, who can confidently say, that they actually have an imaginary time machine parked outside, and so can experience history directly from any perspective they can conceive of, without ever having to refer to anything as banal, as an external source of 'information'.
For instance...I totally just imagined this revelatory piece of history:
Random Amorite: Friend, the fearsome Israelites are on their way to utterly destroy you, on orders of their god.
Random Amalekite: (instantly crippled by a fit of hysterics) bah ha ha …haha..stop it you're killing me….. (solemnly gathers breath) ….. that’s the most hilarious thing I’ve heard all year. Pass me my sword, it’s right there next to the baby broiler.
....I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that, apogee.
Ita an emotional tale, I've calculated that it has a 72.3% chance of being completely true.
Well...I guess you are comparing apples to oranges.I don't know if there are such sources, nore do I consider it important for the purpose of the OP.
So why are we assuming that the Bible is true in regards to the Amalekites yet assume that the miracles prior to the battle is not true? Is the Bible a historically credible record or not? If the battle actually happened, why not miracles? If the battle did not happen, why are we comparing it to ISIS? Do you not see the problem here? You are trying to have your cake and eat it too.For the purpose of the OP, we assume that Israelites did battle with amalekites while believing that the god they worship, commanded them to.
IT'S EXACTLY THE POINT OF THE DISCUSSION! IF GOD ACTUALLY COMMANDED THEM, HOW DO WE KNOW?Wheter their god actually commanded them to, is not relevant in this discussion.
Does anyone have the contact information for Mrs. Frizzle? We need to borrow her magic school bus.I don't think I'm the only person here, who can confidently say, that they actually have an imaginary time machine parked outside, and so can experience history directly from any perspective they can conceive of, without ever having to refer to anything as banal, as an external source of 'information'.
I'll pm youDoes anyone have the contact information for Mrs. Frizzle? We need to borrow her magic school bus.
You have captured a portion of the nature of the battles Moses, Joshua, and the Jews fought when gaining the promise land.Suppose you were living several thousand years ago in a village in the Near East. Put yourself in that context.
You receive word from a messenger that a nearby village has recently been destroyed by another tribe who claims that they were told by their god that they are chosen people. The tribe is on their way and were told by their god that they must "totally destroy all that belongs to you". Furthermore they were told by their god to "not spare you; put to death your men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." The messenger also says that these people say that anyone who believes in a different god must not be spared, should be put to the sword and killed.
Now suppose, you are living today in Syria. Put yourself in that context. Suppose you hear the same thing about a group called ISIS.
Same region of the world. Different time. If you could time travel back and forth between the two time periods, is there any method that you, as an external observer, could use to ascertain that the God of the Israelites should be worshipped while the God of the Muslims should be fought against?
Note 1: Remember to picture this from the perspective of an ancient Near Easterner. You do not yet have the hindsight view of post-New Testament interpretations. In the same way, today we do not have the potential hindsight view of ISIS in the year 3000 A.D.
Note 2: For reference I am looking at 1 Samuel 15, Deuteronomy 13, and Numbers 31 with regards to Christian beliefs and Quran 2:191, Quran 9:123, Quran 9:5, among others with regards to the beliefs of Muslim extremists (e.g. ISIS).
is there any method that you, as an external observer, could use to ascertain that the God of the Israelites should be worshipped while the God of the Muslims should be fought against?
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