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what messianic prophecies where not fulfilled by jesus?

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Neither. I do not think it shares any real connection to ours.

yes i know....but what do you think christianty was trying to teach...a renewed or new alltogether contract....?
 
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to be honest...im not sure if it is a new or renewed....but that the law is suppose to be cast off....that im sure of that paul taught...but im not sure paul teaches the new covenant as a new or renewed....for the law is still written in the hearts of men.....that is the 10 commandments.....but without the power of the law to judge someone if broken
 
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The Ten Commandments are not the whole of the Law.
 
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The Ten Commandments are not the whole of the Law.

I thought only the 10 commandments are in the ark...is the whole law in the ark of the covenant?...also i was taught that the 10 commandment is the heart of the law....that all men should obey the 10commandments written in our hearts
 
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I thought only the 10 commandments are in the ark...is the whole law in the ark of the covenant?...also i was taught that the 10 commandment is the heart of the law....that all men should obey the 10commandments written in our hearts

There are 613 commandments in the Torah. All of them are equally important and binding. The Ten Commandments are the ones given to Moses written directly by HaShem as recorded in the Torah. But all 613 laws are equal.

Also, I am not sure if you are aware, but different groups disagree on what the Ten Commandments are.
 
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no not aware
 
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I would also point out that Judaism does not say that the Ten Commandments were for everybody. We do not want gentiles keeping Shabbat, as that was a gift to us from HaShem.

i know....but in the new trstament these are the laws in the heart all in christ should obey....what are the jewish 10 just to be sure?
 
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I would also point out that Judaism does not say that the Ten Commandments were for everybody. We do not want gentiles keeping Shabbat, as that was a gift to us from HaShem.

perhaps that is one reason the early teachers change the day of worship to sunday in christianity?
 
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i know....but in the new trstament these are the laws in the heart all in christ should obey....what are the jewish 10 just to be sure?

Are you sure the New Testament only specifically names the Ten?

The Jewish ordering, taken shamelessly from JewFAQ:
1. Belief in G-d This category is derived from the declaration in Ex. 20:2 beginning, "I am the L-rd, your G-d..."
2. Prohibition of Improper Worship This category is derived from Ex. 20:3-6, beginning, "You shall not have other gods..." It encompasses within it the prohibition against the worship of other gods as well as the prohibition of improper forms of worship of the one true G-d, such as worshiping G-d through an idol.
3. Prohibition of Oaths This category is derived from Ex. 20:7, beginning, "You shall not take the name of the L-rd your G-d in vain..." This includes prohibitions against perjury, breaking or delaying the performance of vows or promises, and speaking G-d's name or swearing unnecessarily.
4. Observance of Sacred Times
This category is derived from Ex. 20:8-11, beginning, "Remember the Sabbath day..." It encompasses all mitzvot related to Shabbat, holidays, or other sacred time.
5. Respect for Parents and Teachers
This category is derived from Ex. 20:12, beginning, "Honor your father and mother..."
6. Prohibition of Physically Harming a Person
This category is derived from Ex. 20:13, saying, "You shall not murder."
7. Prohibition of Sexual Immorality This category is derived from Ex. 20:13, saying, "You shall not commit adultery."
8. Prohibition of Theft This category is derived from Ex. 20:13, saying, "You shall not steal." It includes within it both outright robbery as well as various forms of theft by deception and unethical business practices. It also includes kidnapping, which is essentially "stealing" a person.
9. Prohibition of Harming a Person through Speech This category is derived from Ex. 20:13, saying, "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." It includes all forms of lashon ha-ra (sins relating to speech).
10. Prohibition of Coveting
This category is derived from Ex. 20:14, beginning, "You shall not covet your neighbor's house..."
 
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perhaps that is one reason the early teachers change the day of worship to sunday in christianity?

I once heard a theory that it was changed to Sunday because the early Christians were not allowed in the synagogue on Saturday for fear of being disruptive. That is only a theory I have heard, I have no evidence to back that up.
 
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yes the christian 10 is different.....but this is interesting

what do you mean am i sure the 10is only naming the 10?
 
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yes the christian 10 is different.....but this is interesting

what do you mean am i sure the 10is only naming the 10?

I think there is a misconception about the commandments. People tend to think that those ten are it, when it is obvious that the people Jesus would have been speaking to would not have thought that the Ten Commandments were all the commandments, or even most of them.
 
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I once heard a theory that it was changed to Sunday because the early Christians were not allowed in the synagogue on Saturday for fear of being disruptive. That is only a theory I have heard, I have no evidence to back that up.

well i was told that they came togerer on the lords day or the day of his ressurection.......but it seems possible early cchristians were put out because of their faith....which was seen as false
 
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well i was told that they came togerer on the lords day or the day of his ressurection.......but it seems possible early cchristians were put out because of their faith....which was seen as false

As I heard it, they were disruptive to the services. Wanting to change prayers and such to reflect their beliefs, so they were put out. I am not sure if the synagogue would have removed them so quickly otherwise as they were Jews. I have never been convinced that the very early followers believed Jesus to be divine and we know it is a debate that was held later.
 
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well perhaps the oral commentaries of the talmud actually take away from the true meaning of the law of moses and the 10commandments...after all...the ark held only 10greatest commandments....no man could touch it....perhaps to hinder anyone from defacing or changeing what was from hashem himself
....this makes sense to me now why god would kill anyone who would even touch the ark
 
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The Talmud has nothing to do with it. There are commandments in the Torah. There are no commandments in the Talmud.

Am I allowed, under the Torah, to eat a nice pulled pork sandwich?
 
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The Talmud has nothing to do with it. There are commandments in the Torah. There are no commandments in the Talmud.

Am I allowed, under the Torah, to eat a nice pulled pork sandwich?

lol....call not unclean what god has cleaned....all meat is good in the new covenant
 
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