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I grew up in the methodist church, but after i left christianity and came back to it, i was just wondering about which denomination i would fit in.. I want to be methodist because it feels like home to me, but I need to know what they believe exactly. Thanks!
 

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That's sort of a really big question; so I need to add the disclaimer that I'm going to give you a small answer to a big question. Feel free to ask follow up questions. I'm a United Methodist Pastor; and I'm going to try to best help you understand what, for me, makes a Methodist.

1) We're connectional. Which is somewhat unusual among protestant circles. That means the denomination is led by Bishops (and ultimately, a once-every-4-years governing body called the General Conference); Pastors are appointed (Sent) to churches, rather than hired by a committee within the church; and Pastors are licensed and ordained after meeting strict educational and vetting requirements, by their conference, and not their local church. None of these things are particularly unique to Methodism; but it is a part of Methodism and in the world of consumer churches and mega-non-denoms (and the 'congregationalist' movement; which is a little older than the non-denom movement), it's somewhat rare.

This connectionalism also includes a system of Clergy leadership (including Mentors and District superintendants); and all levels of government. From a finance office full of CPA's and Attorney's (necessary in this day and age; and a godsend to a small local church dealing with the issues of taxation. I am thankful for our General Council of Finance and Administration!), to a supreme court (called the Judicial Council) which has the final world on interpreting our denominations law book; the "Book of Discipline".

2) There's a focus on social holiness. That means different things to different people; but for a United Methodist, the Christian life isn't just about a one time 'salvation event'. In some Christian circles, the climax of Christianity is a conversion experience; a moment in which you are 'saved'. Sometimes that's expressed as a specific prayer or some other work. For United Methodists; Christianity is about a life lived for Christ. Caring for those in need, being a voice for the silenced, and just generally being the people God calls us to be.

3) We don't believe in "Once Saved Always Saved". We don't believe you can accidentally lose salvation or that failing to complete a checklist of rules gets you into heaven. But our doctrine of Free Will means that you can chose to stop loving God; and though God will never stop loving you, God will permit you to leave.

4) We believe in two Sacraments. Unlike Roman Catholics; who since the 17th century have understood seven sacraments (including things like marriage and ordination; and practices like reconciliation [confession] as Sacraments); and unlike Baptists and some others who recognize Communion and Baptism as 'symbols' or 'ordinances'. We believe that Baptism and Communion are Holy acts of God; where God is the force at work through the Holy Spirit. We recognize Communion as a universal call from Christ; and believe that Christ is the inviter; and the church stands on no authority to refuse communion to anyone who wishes to receive. Thus, we have 'open communion'. In Baptism, we understand it to occur either for the child of parents or guardians who are believers and thus can take on the yoke of that childs faith; or to take place in an adult who is ready to make their own commitment to faith. Children who are Baptized are later 'confirmed', a process of educating them and encouraging them to name and claim their Baptism; and to take the yoke of their faith on for themselves. We believe that in both Baptism and Communion; something is happening, and God is at work. But we don't believe the Bread and Wine turn into the literal body and blood of Christ.

5) Our churches are a blend of liturgy and contemporary. We believe neither in the requirement to strictly adhere to the liturgy or the modern belief that liturgy is bad. Some of our churches look as old-world liturgical as a Greek Orthodox service; and some are as hip as the local non-denom. However, there are certain liturgies prescribed in our "Book of Worship", that church law says are to be used (including the Communion liturgy; at minimum, the Epiclesis; the consecrating prayer). Admittedly, and unfortunately, there are UM Congregations where these laws are not followed. But they are few and far between.

6) Membership is the decision of the Senior Pastor; not the congregation. In some congregations, becoming a member requires that the other members 'vote' on you. In the UMC, the Pastor decides whether or not you'll become a Member. And there are very VERY specific rules about when a Pastor can say 'no', and if they don't follow those rules, that aforementioned Judicial Council can step in (thankfully, I've never heard of that happening in the case of membership). We don't kick folks out of the UMC for trivial things; or for being 'not good enough'. In fact the only case I'm aware of someone being asked to leave a UM Congregation, was a man who had sexually assaulted a person at the church. The Bishop himself wrote the man a letter, with a second letter from the conferences head legal counsel; telling them that they were always going to be prayed for, and loved. But for the safety of the congregation, this man was not permitted to return to a local church. Provisions were even made to allow this man pastoral care outside of the local church. In his case, it wasn't even his 'sin' that disqualified him; but simply the reality that he was a danger to the people in that congregation.

7) We ordain women to all levels of the church; and make absolutely no distinguishes between age, race, or gender. We have female bishops, female lay-leaders, etc.

8) As mentioned before, all Clergy are educated and vetted by the denomination (ranging from Local Pastors who are required to undergo yearly education; to Ordained Pastors who are required to possess a Master of Divinity degree; and then still have yearly continuing education). Even better; is that the UMC offers all sorts of opportunities for laypeople to become trained and vetted. Including programs like the 'certified lay servant ministries', et al. Offering the ability for those who want to serve the church; but don't feel called to Ordained or Licensed ministry, to become well-versed in their responsibilities. Though Clergy have a lot more authority in the local church and in the denomination as a whole then some of our cousins in the SBC for example; laity participate in all levels of church governance. From serving on administrative councils in local churches all the way up to making up half of the General Conference, and everything in between.

9) Our understanding of the Bible fits more in line with historic Christianity than modern day American Evangelical Christianity. That means we don't believe the Bible is inerrant, or literal. But instead it should be carefully understood, fully read and comprehended, and read through the lenses of tradition, reason and experience. BUT; We believe scripture does contain all that's necessary for our salvation, and is the supreme authority by which the church lives.

10) We are not confessional. I can say all of these "We Believe" because the Book of Discipline lists our theological understandings and social constructs. But we do not require members agree with every bullet point. This comes from an understanding that people are different and thus not everyone can possibly, honestly agree. We prefer not being confessional to potentially forcing people to lie to be a part of the church. We do require members express and profess a basic faith in Christ; and be Baptized.

I hope that gives a glimpse. Any specific questions?
 
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That's sort of a really big question; so I need to add the disclaimer that I'm going to give you a small answer to a big question. Feel free to ask follow up questions. I'm a United Methodist Pastor; and I'm going to try to best help you understand what, for me, makes a Methodist.

1) We're connectional. Which is somewhat unusual among protestant circles. That means the denomination is led by Bishops (and ultimately, a once-every-4-years governing body called the General Conference); Pastors are appointed (Sent) to churches, rather than hired by a committee within the church; and Pastors are licensed and ordained after meeting strict educational and vetting requirements, by their conference, and not their local church. None of these things are particularly unique to Methodism; but it is a part of Methodism and in the world of consumer churches and mega-non-denoms (and the 'congregationalist' movement; which is a little older than the non-denom movement), it's somewhat rare.

This connectionalism also includes a system of Clergy leadership (including Mentors and District superintendants); and all levels of government. From a finance office full of CPA's and Attorney's (necessary in this day and age; and a godsend to a small local church dealing with the issues of taxation. I am thankful for our General Council of Finance and Administration!), to a supreme court (called the Judicial Council) which has the final world on interpreting our denominations law book; the "Book of Discipline".

2) There's a focus on social holiness. That means different things to different people; but for a United Methodist, the Christian life isn't just about a one time 'salvation event'. In some Christian circles, the climax of Christianity is a conversion experience; a moment in which you are 'saved'. Sometimes that's expressed as a specific prayer or some other work. For United Methodists; Christianity is about a life lived for Christ. Caring for those in need, being a voice for the silenced, and just generally being the people God calls us to be.

3) We don't believe in "Once Saved Always Saved". We don't believe you can accidentally lose salvation or that failing to complete a checklist of rules gets you into heaven. But our doctrine of Free Will means that you can chose to stop loving God; and though God will never stop loving you, God will permit you to leave.

4) We believe in two Sacraments. Unlike Roman Catholics; who since the 17th century have understood seven sacraments (including things like marriage and ordination; and practices like reconciliation [confession] as Sacraments); and unlike Baptists and some others who recognize Communion and Baptism as 'symbols' or 'ordinances'. We believe that Baptism and Communion are Holy acts of God; where God is the force at work through the Holy Spirit. We recognize Communion as a universal call from Christ; and believe that Christ is the inviter; and the church stands on no authority to refuse communion to anyone who wishes to receive. Thus, we have 'open communion'. In Baptism, we understand it to occur either for the child of parents or guardians who are believers and thus can take on the yoke of that childs faith; or to take place in an adult who is ready to make their own commitment to faith. Children who are Baptized are later 'confirmed', a process of educating them and encouraging them to name and claim their Baptism; and to take the yoke of their faith on for themselves. We believe that in both Baptism and Communion; something is happening, and God is at work. But we don't believe the Bread and Wine turn into the literal body and blood of Christ.

5) Our churches are a blend of liturgy and contemporary. We believe neither in the requirement to strictly adhere to the liturgy or the modern belief that liturgy is bad. Some of our churches look as old-world liturgical as a Greek Orthodox service; and some are as hip as the local non-denom. However, there are certain liturgies prescribed in our "Book of Worship", that church law says are to be used (including the Communion liturgy; at minimum, the Epiclesis; the consecrating prayer). Admittedly, and unfortunately, there are UM Congregations where these laws are not followed. But they are few and far between.

6) Membership is the decision of the Senior Pastor; not the congregation. In some congregations, becoming a member requires that the other members 'vote' on you. In the UMC, the Pastor decides whether or not you'll become a Member. And there are very VERY specific rules about when a Pastor can say 'no', and if they don't follow those rules, that aforementioned Judicial Council can step in (thankfully, I've never heard of that happening in the case of membership). We don't kick folks out of the UMC for trivial things; or for being 'not good enough'. In fact the only case I'm aware of someone being asked to leave a UM Congregation, was a man who had sexually assaulted a person at the church. The Bishop himself wrote the man a letter, with a second letter from the conferences head legal counsel; telling them that they were always going to be prayed for, and loved. But for the safety of the congregation, this man was not permitted to return to a local church. Provisions were even made to allow this man pastoral care outside of the local church. In his case, it wasn't even his 'sin' that disqualified him; but simply the reality that he was a danger to the people in that congregation.

7) We ordain women to all levels of the church; and make absolutely no distinguishes between age, race, or gender. We have female bishops, female lay-leaders, etc.

8) As mentioned before, all Clergy are educated and vetted by the denomination (ranging from Local Pastors who are required to undergo yearly education; to Ordained Pastors who are required to possess a Master of Divinity degree; and then still have yearly continuing education). Even better; is that the UMC offers all sorts of opportunities for laypeople to become trained and vetted. Including programs like the 'certified lay servant ministries', et al. Offering the ability for those who want to serve the church; but don't feel called to Ordained or Licensed ministry, to become well-versed in their responsibilities. Though Clergy have a lot more authority in the local church and in the denomination as a whole then some of our cousins in the SBC for example; laity participate in all levels of church governance. From serving on administrative councils in local churches all the way up to making up half of the General Conference, and everything in between.

9) Our understanding of the Bible fits more in line with historic Christianity than modern day American Evangelical Christianity. That means we don't believe the Bible is inerrant, or literal. But instead it should be carefully understood, fully read and comprehended, and read through the lenses of tradition, reason and experience. BUT; We believe scripture does contain all that's necessary for our salvation, and is the supreme authority by which the church lives.

10) We are not confessional. I can say all of these "We Believe" because the Book of Discipline lists our theological understandings and social constructs. But we do not require members agree with every bullet point. This comes from an understanding that people are different and thus not everyone can possibly, honestly agree. We prefer not being confessional to potentially forcing people to lie to be a part of the church. We do require members express and profess a basic faith in Christ; and be Baptized.

I hope that gives a glimpse. Any specific questions?


This really helps a lot, and now I see that this is exactly the kind of stuff that feels right to me! I guess I'll stay in the Methodist church!
 
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We've got the best Donuts on Sunday morning.

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That's sort of a really big question; so I need to add the disclaimer that I'm going to give you a small answer to a big question. Feel free to ask follow up questions. I'm a United Methodist Pastor; and I'm going to try to best help you understand what, for me, makes a Methodist.

1) We're connectional. Which is somewhat unusual among protestant circles. That means the denomination is led by Bishops (and ultimately, a once-every-4-years governing body called the General Conference); Pastors are appointed (Sent) to churches, rather than hired by a committee within the church; and Pastors are licensed and ordained after meeting strict educational and vetting requirements, by their conference, and not their local church. None of these things are particularly unique to Methodism; but it is a part of Methodism and in the world of consumer churches and mega-non-denoms (and the 'congregationalist' movement; which is a little older than the non-denom movement), it's somewhat rare.

This connectionalism also includes a system of Clergy leadership (including Mentors and District superintendants); and all levels of government. From a finance office full of CPA's and Attorney's (necessary in this day and age; and a godsend to a small local church dealing with the issues of taxation. I am thankful for our General Council of Finance and Administration!), to a supreme court (called the Judicial Council) which has the final world on interpreting our denominations law book; the "Book of Discipline".

2) There's a focus on social holiness. That means different things to different people; but for a United Methodist, the Christian life isn't just about a one time 'salvation event'. In some Christian circles, the climax of Christianity is a conversion experience; a moment in which you are 'saved'. Sometimes that's expressed as a specific prayer or some other work. For United Methodists; Christianity is about a life lived for Christ. Caring for those in need, being a voice for the silenced, and just generally being the people God calls us to be.

3) We don't believe in "Once Saved Always Saved". We don't believe you can accidentally lose salvation or that failing to complete a checklist of rules gets you into heaven. But our doctrine of Free Will means that you can chose to stop loving God; and though God will never stop loving you, God will permit you to leave.

4) We believe in two Sacraments. Unlike Roman Catholics; who since the 17th century have understood seven sacraments (including things like marriage and ordination; and practices like reconciliation [confession] as Sacraments); and unlike Baptists and some others who recognize Communion and Baptism as 'symbols' or 'ordinances'. We believe that Baptism and Communion are Holy acts of God; where God is the force at work through the Holy Spirit. We recognize Communion as a universal call from Christ; and believe that Christ is the inviter; and the church stands on no authority to refuse communion to anyone who wishes to receive. Thus, we have 'open communion'. In Baptism, we understand it to occur either for the child of parents or guardians who are believers and thus can take on the yoke of that childs faith; or to take place in an adult who is ready to make their own commitment to faith. Children who are Baptized are later 'confirmed', a process of educating them and encouraging them to name and claim their Baptism; and to take the yoke of their faith on for themselves. We believe that in both Baptism and Communion; something is happening, and God is at work. But we don't believe the Bread and Wine turn into the literal body and blood of Christ.

5) Our churches are a blend of liturgy and contemporary. We believe neither in the requirement to strictly adhere to the liturgy or the modern belief that liturgy is bad. Some of our churches look as old-world liturgical as a Greek Orthodox service; and some are as hip as the local non-denom. However, there are certain liturgies prescribed in our "Book of Worship", that church law says are to be used (including the Communion liturgy; at minimum, the Epiclesis; the consecrating prayer). Admittedly, and unfortunately, there are UM Congregations where these laws are not followed. But they are few and far between.

6) Membership is the decision of the Senior Pastor; not the congregation. In some congregations, becoming a member requires that the other members 'vote' on you. In the UMC, the Pastor decides whether or not you'll become a Member. And there are very VERY specific rules about when a Pastor can say 'no', and if they don't follow those rules, that aforementioned Judicial Council can step in (thankfully, I've never heard of that happening in the case of membership). We don't kick folks out of the UMC for trivial things; or for being 'not good enough'. In fact the only case I'm aware of someone being asked to leave a UM Congregation, was a man who had sexually assaulted a person at the church. The Bishop himself wrote the man a letter, with a second letter from the conferences head legal counsel; telling them that they were always going to be prayed for, and loved. But for the safety of the congregation, this man was not permitted to return to a local church. Provisions were even made to allow this man pastoral care outside of the local church. In his case, it wasn't even his 'sin' that disqualified him; but simply the reality that he was a danger to the people in that congregation.

7) We ordain women to all levels of the church; and make absolutely no distinguishes between age, race, or gender. We have female bishops, female lay-leaders, etc.

8) As mentioned before, all Clergy are educated and vetted by the denomination (ranging from Local Pastors who are required to undergo yearly education; to Ordained Pastors who are required to possess a Master of Divinity degree; and then still have yearly continuing education). Even better; is that the UMC offers all sorts of opportunities for laypeople to become trained and vetted. Including programs like the 'certified lay servant ministries', et al. Offering the ability for those who want to serve the church; but don't feel called to Ordained or Licensed ministry, to become well-versed in their responsibilities. Though Clergy have a lot more authority in the local church and in the denomination as a whole then some of our cousins in the SBC for example; laity participate in all levels of church governance. From serving on administrative councils in local churches all the way up to making up half of the General Conference, and everything in between.

9) Our understanding of the Bible fits more in line with historic Christianity than modern day American Evangelical Christianity. That means we don't believe the Bible is inerrant, or literal. But instead it should be carefully understood, fully read and comprehended, and read through the lenses of tradition, reason and experience. BUT; We believe scripture does contain all that's necessary for our salvation, and is the supreme authority by which the church lives.

10) We are not confessional. I can say all of these "We Believe" because the Book of Discipline lists our theological understandings and social constructs. But we do not require members agree with every bullet point. This comes from an understanding that people are different and thus not everyone can possibly, honestly agree. We prefer not being confessional to potentially forcing people to lie to be a part of the church. We do require members express and profess a basic faith in Christ; and be Baptized.

I hope that gives a glimpse. Any specific questions?
This is the kind of great information that you can never find on a denominational website. Thank you! I have an additional question. Will you please describe local church governance setup? I am presently Presbyterian - we have Session which governs and Board of Deacons (no deaconesses) which does compassionate and caring work. How are the Methodists set up?
 
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So the global denomination is governed by a book called the "Book of Discipline". It's a mandatory law book and ALL local churches are obligated to abide by it. This means that when the BOD forbids gambling, local churches aren't allowed to hold a "casino night" using real money as a fundraiser. (To use an example). The local church can never supersede, or ignore, the book of discipline. And as I mentioned, pastors are appointed by Bishops and they and the churches they serve are accountable to the Bishop. Every four years a collection of elected laity and clergy from around the world meet at what's called "general conference" which is where the BOD is modified. Local churches may suggest or endorse legislation heading up to this. For example, a local church might ask that a rule be removed; but they are NOT free to ignore the rule. They are certainly free to suggest it ought to be changed; for whatever reason. Changes big and small happen at general conference. From simple clerical things to things as major as deciding the denominations position on major social issues.

The local church organization is also mandated by the BOD. There is a single board model, which requires permission from the District Superintendant to establish but works in some churches. Most churches are organized this way though;

The Church Council - made up of the Pastor and elected and appointed laypeople whose responsibility is the major decision making and day to day operations of the church. Things like setting the budget, and even making goals for the future.

The Pastor Parish Relations Committee - This committee recommends the Pastors salary for the upcoming year (which the church council, and later charge conference, approves). They also generally supervise any paid staff (but not the Pastor. The pastor is supervised by the Bishop and DS). The church council may approve hiring a new staff person, and it's usually the PPR who ultimately interviews and hires those people. They are also the link between pastor and congregation in cases of conflict. The PPR also reports to the district Superintendant at least once a year, and consults on the pastoral appointment. If the church doesn't like the Pastor, it's the PPR who asks for a new one. But the Bishop makes the final decision there. They are asked for missional reasons why they want to keep their pastor, or why they feel they need a new one.

The Trustees - these folks are in charge of any buildings or property owned by the church, including the personage, the church building, etc. They maintain, repair, etc. They typically have a budget set by the church council for which to operate. But larger building decisions are made by the church council or even a church conference. For example, the trustees might fix a leaky sink or repair a broken window. But will make a recommendation to the church council as to how to proceed when we need a new roof; but won't make that decision themselves. (This does vary church by church, as long as they operate within the confines of the book of discipline)

Nominations - the Pastor chairs this committee, and they are responsible for "filling seats" in each of these committees. The committees elect their own chairperson.

Church Conference - these are somewhat rare. These are where major decisions are made. Such as buying a new building, what to do with a major endowment, or even how to proceed after a major conflict. All processing members of the congregation may vote, and the district Superintendant is present (mandatory). Officially, it's the Superintendant who presides over a church conference.

Charge conference - similar to a church conference in that the DS presides over it. But it's every year, and it's where all of the churches year to year major decisions are made. Like the pastors salary, who is serving on what committees (elected officials), and it's where inactive, deceased, or transfered members are reported. In my conference the trustees also report here, reporting things like the value of our assets, how much insurance we have, etc. it's very clerical, but it's part of being connectional!

I'm writing from my iPhone and have probably missed some. But that's a start. Do you have specific questions?

Also, churches are free to have ADDITIONAL Committees. For example, we also have scholarship, education, and mission committees.
 
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Just as an add; we do have Deacons as well, who are educated and ordained Clergy and serve churches in special roles. They are not elected by the local church, but Ordained by the Bishop just like all other Clergy. They are sometimes appointed to churches to serve as Pastors; but that's not their intended function (that's just the result of necessity).

Historically, the Deacon was understood to serve a church to assist the Pastor, or serve the church globally in other ways. And in some cases, that DOES happen. But more and more, the ministry of the Deacon in the UMC is transforming into one of speciality ministry; serving some sort of ministry or mission that they have unique skills and calling to serve that is something other than serving under appointment as the Pastor of a local church.

I do know of churches that actually have Deacons serving in associate-Pastor type roles (though referred to, correctly so, as "Deacon" instead of "Associate Pastor") Where they occasionally preach, and more commonly administrate and lead various organizations within the church. But what's interesting is that we also have ordained and licensed Clergy serving those roles (as "Associate Pastors"). I know of an Elder who serves a church as an associate (and this is not at all uncommon); who rarely preaches, or even leads the sacraments. But whose primary responsibilities are managing staff, and leading all outreach ministries for the church. While the Senior Pastors preaches and leads the Sacraments. (And a third associate does weddings, funerals, etc. The Senior Pastor baptizes most and leads communion during worship)
 
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That's correct. Though the United Methodist church is the unbroken (just renamed a few times) descendant of Wesleys "Methodists". Generally, when someone talks about Methodism, including the context of this discussion; they are referring to the United Methodist Church.

Myself I always refer to the church as "United Methodist", in respect to other Methodist traditions throughout history. It's a bit like saying "catholic". Usually referring to the Roman Catholic Church, only one tradition of many that bear the name "Catholic" and; of course, many Protestants consider themselves part of the catholic (universal) church.

Believe it or not using simply "Methodist" is a bit of a pet peeve. Not one I'm likely to make mention of or point out; but I think "United Methodist" is the appropriate way to refer to members of the UMC. But most folks, even my own parishioners; simply refer to themselves as "Methodists". Many of them are old enough to remember when simply "the Methodist church" was on our sign.
 
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Generally, when someone talks about Methodism, including the context of this discussion; they are referring to the United Methodist Church.

In America maybe, but in other countries they're far more likely to be referring to whatever is the dominant branch of Methodism in that country (although that could in fact be the UMC as that exists elsewhere in the world).
 
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That's sort of a really big question; so I need to add the disclaimer that I'm going to give you a small answer to a big question. Feel free to ask follow up questions. I'm a United Methodist Pastor; and I'm going to try to best help you understand what, for me, makes a Methodist.

1) We're connectional. Which is somewhat unusual among protestant circles. That means the denomination is led by Bishops (and ultimately, a once-every-4-years governing body called the General Conference); Pastors are appointed (Sent) to churches, rather than hired by a committee within the church; and Pastors are licensed and ordained after meeting strict educational and vetting requirements, by their conference, and not their local church. None of these things are particularly unique to Methodism; but it is a part of Methodism and in the world of consumer churches and mega-non-denoms (and the 'congregationalist' movement; which is a little older than the non-denom movement), it's somewhat rare.

This connectionalism also includes a system of Clergy leadership (including Mentors and District superintendants); and all levels of government. From a finance office full of CPA's and Attorney's (necessary in this day and age; and a godsend to a small local church dealing with the issues of taxation. I am thankful for our General Council of Finance and Administration!), to a supreme court (called the Judicial Council) which has the final world on interpreting our denominations law book; the "Book of Discipline".

2) There's a focus on social holiness. That means different things to different people; but for a United Methodist, the Christian life isn't just about a one time 'salvation event'. In some Christian circles, the climax of Christianity is a conversion experience; a moment in which you are 'saved'. Sometimes that's expressed as a specific prayer or some other work. For United Methodists; Christianity is about a life lived for Christ. Caring for those in need, being a voice for the silenced, and just generally being the people God calls us to be.

3) We don't believe in "Once Saved Always Saved". We don't believe you can accidentally lose salvation or that failing to complete a checklist of rules gets you into heaven. But our doctrine of Free Will means that you can chose to stop loving God; and though God will never stop loving you, God will permit you to leave.

4) We believe in two Sacraments. Unlike Roman Catholics; who since the 17th century have understood seven sacraments (including things like marriage and ordination; and practices like reconciliation [confession] as Sacraments); and unlike Baptists and some others who recognize Communion and Baptism as 'symbols' or 'ordinances'. We believe that Baptism and Communion are Holy acts of God; where God is the force at work through the Holy Spirit. We recognize Communion as a universal call from Christ; and believe that Christ is the inviter; and the church stands on no authority to refuse communion to anyone who wishes to receive. Thus, we have 'open communion'. In Baptism, we understand it to occur either for the child of parents or guardians who are believers and thus can take on the yoke of that childs faith; or to take place in an adult who is ready to make their own commitment to faith. Children who are Baptized are later 'confirmed', a process of educating them and encouraging them to name and claim their Baptism; and to take the yoke of their faith on for themselves. We believe that in both Baptism and Communion; something is happening, and God is at work. But we don't believe the Bread and Wine turn into the literal body and blood of Christ.

5) Our churches are a blend of liturgy and contemporary. We believe neither in the requirement to strictly adhere to the liturgy or the modern belief that liturgy is bad. Some of our churches look as old-world liturgical as a Greek Orthodox service; and some are as hip as the local non-denom. However, there are certain liturgies prescribed in our "Book of Worship", that church law says are to be used (including the Communion liturgy; at minimum, the Epiclesis; the consecrating prayer). Admittedly, and unfortunately, there are UM Congregations where these laws are not followed. But they are few and far between.

6) Membership is the decision of the Senior Pastor; not the congregation. In some congregations, becoming a member requires that the other members 'vote' on you. In the UMC, the Pastor decides whether or not you'll become a Member. And there are very VERY specific rules about when a Pastor can say 'no', and if they don't follow those rules, that aforementioned Judicial Council can step in (thankfully, I've never heard of that happening in the case of membership). We don't kick folks out of the UMC for trivial things; or for being 'not good enough'. In fact the only case I'm aware of someone being asked to leave a UM Congregation, was a man who had sexually assaulted a person at the church. The Bishop himself wrote the man a letter, with a second letter from the conferences head legal counsel; telling them that they were always going to be prayed for, and loved. But for the safety of the congregation, this man was not permitted to return to a local church. Provisions were even made to allow this man pastoral care outside of the local church. In his case, it wasn't even his 'sin' that disqualified him; but simply the reality that he was a danger to the people in that congregation.

7) We ordain women to all levels of the church; and make absolutely no distinguishes between age, race, or gender. We have female bishops, female lay-leaders, etc.

8) As mentioned before, all Clergy are educated and vetted by the denomination (ranging from Local Pastors who are required to undergo yearly education; to Ordained Pastors who are required to possess a Master of Divinity degree; and then still have yearly continuing education). Even better; is that the UMC offers all sorts of opportunities for laypeople to become trained and vetted. Including programs like the 'certified lay servant ministries', et al. Offering the ability for those who want to serve the church; but don't feel called to Ordained or Licensed ministry, to become well-versed in their responsibilities. Though Clergy have a lot more authority in the local church and in the denomination as a whole then some of our cousins in the SBC for example; laity participate in all levels of church governance. From serving on administrative councils in local churches all the way up to making up half of the General Conference, and everything in between.

9) Our understanding of the Bible fits more in line with historic Christianity than modern day American Evangelical Christianity. That means we don't believe the Bible is inerrant, or literal. But instead it should be carefully understood, fully read and comprehended, and read through the lenses of tradition, reason and experience. BUT; We believe scripture does contain all that's necessary for our salvation, and is the supreme authority by which the church lives.

10) We are not confessional. I can say all of these "We Believe" because the Book of Discipline lists our theological understandings and social constructs. But we do not require members agree with every bullet point. This comes from an understanding that people are different and thus not everyone can possibly, honestly agree. We prefer not being confessional to potentially forcing people to lie to be a part of the church. We do require members express and profess a basic faith in Christ; and be Baptized.

I hope that gives a glimpse. Any specific questions?

Interesting thread, and great response. I just have one question: How do any of the above points distinguish Methodists from Anglicans? I understand there's a deep and serious historical connection there (as well as a relationship between Methodists and the Continental Lutheran Pietist movement), so you'd expect a lot of commonality. But I'm curious not only what makes them different but, in an age when United Methodists and Episcopals can preach at each other's pulpits and commune at each other's altars, what keeps these two denominations from basically merging (as they have in India)?
 
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Interesting thread, and great response. I just have one question: How do any of the above points distinguish Methodists from Anglicans? I understand there's a deep and serious historical connection there (as well as a relationship between Methodists and the Continental Lutheran Pietist movement), so you'd expect a lot of commonality. But I'm curious not only what makes them different but, in an age when United Methodists and Episcopals can preach at each other's pulpits and commune at each other's altars, what keeps these two denominations from basically merging (as they have in India)?

Well you're sort of asking two questions there.

We have communion sharing agreements with other denominations; but a communion sharing agreement, or a full communion agreement, essentially means that we are of one mind on the Eucharist and largely, on the divinity of Christ. It's not diplomatic, it's simply a recognition that we don't realistically differ on those understandings. And it's a recognition that both validly ordain; which is a part of that sacramental understanding. When the churches come to an understanding that both are of one mind on the sacraments and who may preside at them; then it's reasonable that there's no theological, ecclesiological, ethical, or moral reason not to have an agreement. It doesn't mean the churches are identical.

As to anglicanism, that's part-political, part-ecclesiological, and the smallest part theological. There's very little theological difference, if any of any importance, between 18th century Methodism and Anglicanism. Methodism began as a society within Anglicanism. If you will; a large-scale Bible study group. They were expected to get their butts into an Anglican church on Sunday and receive the Eucharist. It was later, and in many ways to the chagrin of John Wesley and Charles Wesley, that the Methodist societies elected their first Bishop, ordained their first Pastors, and became their own church. It wasn't a "split" like the protestant reformation; so much as it was a 'natural transition'. Much like the colonies, who didn't feel they could be governed by an island thousands of miles away; the Methodist Societies no longer felt a part of the Church of England. It goes deeper than that; but some of it comes down to something as simple as the Revolutionary War and the political climate leading up to that. There's a reason that Anglicanism isn't popular in North America. Remember, part of what the founding fathers were fighting for was the freedom to choose ones religion; and Anglicanism, in the minds of some, represented one of many historic traditions prescribed to the English people to follow. In Englands history, you might wake up one morning and suddenly the queen has decided you're Catholic now.

Maybe some of our more astute historians around here can give you a deeper picture; but largely, don't think of the Anglo-Methodist disconnect as an angry split by feuding parties; though certainly it had it's opposers. It was more of a natural transition. Like the head chef of a restaurant leaving and opening his own.

As to the differences; Anglicans have a more developed hierarchy, with Archbishops, a Holy See, and some connection still to Englands government and Royal Family. Though largely ornamental, the Church of England is still intertwined with the English Government. At one time, and it might be still (I'm not sure); Anglican Priests had a requirement to swear allegiance to the crown (another reason Anglicanism wasn't going to survive in the new United States.) There's some differences in terminology (Vicar, Priest, Father; vs. Pastor, or in the south, commonly 'Preacher', occasionally Reverend; especially up north. But never Vicar, Priest, OR Father!). Anglican priests generally wear the collar 'to bed' whereas Methodist clergy rarely do, and fewer and fewer wear one at all.

Theologically though; very similar. But the DNA of our churches is different, and I don't think a 'merger' is likely to ever happen. Anglicans have been in some ways a bit more conservative than the UMC; having only VERY recently (this year) allowed female Bishops.

As to the Episcopal church, they are much more congregational. They are also much more liturgical and more 'prescribed'. Episcopal parishes (and Anglican parishes alike) don't have the same freedoms in worship that Methodist churches enjoy. Some appreciate that; they appreciate the continuity of their churches. Much like the Roman Catholic Church; you know what to expect when you walk through the door. Like a chain fast food joint; they, for the most part, all look the same and offer the same thing. Even if the people in them are different. Now, clearly, there are unique components of every church. But I have attended mass, funerals, and other worship opportunities at a variety of both Episcopal and Roman Catholic churches; and it was largely the same. I could travel just about anywhere I want to, worship in a RCC or Episcopal (or, Anglican, in some respects) church and more/less know what's going on in worship and know what to expect. I serve two United Methodist Churches 10 minutes from each other and worship is very different in the two; and another 15 minutes down the road and you'll find one far more different than my two! Some will prefer the former, others the latter. But that's one noticeable 'on the surface' difference you'll find. Simply this interesting dynamic where Episcopal churches are more independent in their local governance and the hiring of their own Pastor; whilst UMC congregations are more independent when it comes to worship. That doesn't mean UMC congregations don't have to fit within the Book of Discipline when it comes to worship (for example, they don't have the freedom to have closed communion), but unlike our more liturgical brothers and sisters we aren't mandated to follow the lectionary, specific liturgies, or patterns of worship.

The differences are small but they are there. United Methodist believe ecumenicalism is the answer. With respect to my RCC brothers and sisters; many I've met feel the solution is to re-absorb all of the Protestant churches. But we Methodists don't think everyone is supposed to be a Methodist. We think the Methodists are supposed to work WITH the Episcopals, Anglicans, Catholics; heck, even the Baptists! And that's really why there will never be a 'merge' of similar denominations. Because, frankly, we don't think we NEED to be one giant church. We think we can be what makes us unique; and still work together as connected Catholic (universal) churches. We are all part of the Holy Catholic Church (meaning, the Universal church). We ARE a part of the same church- Christ's church. For much the same reason that I serve two churches just 10 minutes apart and everyone could easily drive to the other if we shut one down; we won't. Both are growing, vibrant churches with their own unique missions and DNA, and we can accomplish more for the kingdom of God with them operating as two connected churches; than one 'combined' church. Likewise, the kingdom of God can do extraordinary things with one Holy, Apostolic Catholic Church that is represented in dozens of ecumenical denominations working closely together.
 
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Really helpful, thank you. I thought worship might have something to do with it, but I hadn't thought about the relationship to the crown in the English context. And I especially tend to forget that many mainline Protestant traditions really don't see any need for institutional unity. As a Lutheran who understands the Roman Catholic as, in many ways, the "Mother Church" to whom ideally we would one day return (but are presently in exile), I forget that Methodists, although historically in a similar relationship vis-a-vis Anglicanism, don't see it the same way (then again, not all Lutherans do, either). Perhaps that's mostly because Methodism came into existence at a time when multi-denominationalism was an established fact in the west? And for other Lutherans, perhaps simply that many of us view our Lutheran identity from a post-Reformation, multi-denominational context rather than a pre-Reformation, Catholic context?
 
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