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What makes a creationist a creationist?

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That's not reification. It doesn't even have anything to do with reification. Anyway, the "assume" isn't even an assumption. Life exists. Therefore, a theory which describes the diversity of life need not concern itself with where the life originated.

Cosmic background radiation. Red shift, blue shift. Look them up. I'm sure you'll brush it all aside anyway, but that doesn't change the fact that the evidence is there. Also, the Big Bang wasn't a bang. It was an expansion from an infinitely small point. Thre is a difference. Also, the Earth was formed billions of years after the Big Bang.

No, you interpret as well. There's no way around it. If you read it, you interpret it. It's how the mind works.

Hey look, a militant atheist who applies the same wrong philosophy derived from a theory that has nothing to do with anything like that. I looked up the quote, and it was in some creation vs evolution debate. Also, note the "my views" part.

LOL, Here let me say this:

This blind force (abiogenesis - "first" single-celled organism) is the evolutionists starting assumption of where we come from. Because Evolution teaches that mankind has descended from an ape-like creature. This ape-like creature would have descended from this undefined single-celled organism. The single-celled organism could not have come into existence without this enigmatic beginning. Trying to define this blind force would be a a critical factor on understanding the origins of life. This single-celled organism willed itself into existence at the urging of the blind force. If this was the first living organism, What did it feed on and where did the food come from? How long did it live before reproducing? How did it reproduce? What was its life span? It can be considered difficult to live long and prosper when its surroundings was void of all other life. What were the conditions that allowed survival, and how did those conditions arise? Did the organism need oxygen? If so, where did the oxygen come from?

You know we are told that research of scientists, and evidence that claims evolution is a fact. This is not true. It is based on the belief that a blind force started all life and the result was our original ancestor. You know, I find it very amazing that a single-celled organism that lived in an undefined environment -- which one can barely rationalize -- eventually reproduced itself but we do not know how because there is no evidence for this. LOL.

You want to talk about "BLIND FAITH" ?? HA!! They believe in something that cannot be defined, explained or rationalized. Then turn around and say we have blind for believing GOD created all things in GENESIS. If he is ALL-POWERFUL creating man in dust is easy. But it is not logical enough for man to believe so they made their own belief system of what happened and say "we" have blind faith! HA! Hilarious! Some may say, GOD used evolution. Well, this is a human interpretation. Adding a human interpretation to the creator account is not applicable. A person has to deny the Genesis account as literal in order for evolutionary theory to fit in. This shows that we make GOD in our Image and under our guidelines.

The theory of evolution demands that life was birthed from an undefined, undiscovered, accidental, and imagined starting point. We can see how frailty of this theory because it can have no other foundation in which is just mere imagination.

And also, no God speaks to me through HIS word. I do not tell him what it says LIKE YOU DO(by evolution).

PRAISE JESUS ON HIGH WHO HATH CREATED US THAT PROVIDES HOW,WHEN,WHERE,WHY, AND EVEN WHO! AMEN!
 
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LOL, Here let me say this:

This blind force (abiogenesis - "first" single-celled organism) is the evolutionists starting assumption of where we come from. Because Evolution teaches that mankind has descended from an ape-like creature. This ape-like creature would have descended from this undefined single-celled organism. The single-celled organism could not have come into existence without this enigmatic beginning. Trying to define this blind force would be a a critical factor on understanding the origins of life. This single-celled organism willed itself into existence at the urging of the blind force. If this was the first living organism, What did it feed on and where did the food come from? How long did it live before reproducing? How did it reproduce? What was its life span? It can be considered difficult to live long and prosper when its surroundings was void of all other life. What were the conditions that allowed survival, and how did those conditions arise? Did the organism need oxygen? If so, where did the oxygen come from?

The entire point of science is to answer questions like this. Anyway, it did not "will" itself into existence. If abiogenesis is true, life was formed from regular chemical reactions. There's no willing or forcing itself into existence. As theists, we would believe God is behind it.

Just because science doesn't have the answer to every single empirical question (yet) does not mean it's all wrong. I will again bring up gravity. We don't know entirely how gravity works. It could be the hypothetical quantum graviton, it could be curvatures in spacetime, or something else. However, clearly gravity exists.

You know we are told that research of scientists, and evidence that claims evolution is a fact. This is not true. It is based on the belief that a blind force started all life and the result was our original ancestor. You know, I find it very amazing that a single-celled organism that lived in an undefined environment -- which one can barely rationalize -- eventually reproduced itself but we do not know how because there is no evidence for this. LOL.

At this point you've been shown plenty of evidence for evolution so it's up to you to accept it or reject it. There isn't really much to say here except that with experimentation it would be possible to reproduce conditions that mimic the environment that life started in and could give us many answers to the questions you pose. What happens when abiogenesis research takes off and begins to answer those questions? Will there be an outright denial then too?


The theory of evolution demands that life was birthed from an undefined, undiscovered, accidental, and imagined starting point. We can see how frailty of this theory because it can have no other foundation in which is just mere imagination.

Once again, evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life, as has been established previously several times. Therefore, this point is moot. But a primordial environment is not "mere imagination." There is always empirical evidence to recreate it by looking on extreme places in Earth, other planets/moons (Titan is a good example), or laboratory recreations.

And also, no God speaks to me through HIS word. I do not tell him what it says LIKE YOU DO(by evolution).

PRAISE JESUS ON HIGH WHO HATH CREATED US THAT PROVIDES HOW,WHEN,WHERE,WHY, AND EVEN WHO! AMEN!

If you read words, you interpret it. There's no way around it. If you're going to claim "The scriptures speak to me their one truth," I will point you to the thousands of Protestant denominations who all have slightly (or widely) varying interpretations of the Bible. Arminianism, Calvinism, saved by faith alone, saved by faith and works, dispensationalism, non-dispensationalism, rapture, no rapture, pre-tribulation rapture, post-tribulation rapture... All gleaned from the same book. All interpreted from the same words. The Bible can be used to justify almost anything. There's a point though, where it just doesn't make sense anymore. Often the problem in those cases is context. Context of the book itself, context of the rest of the Bible, or even the context of the created world itself. Suffice it to say, a literal Genesis has a hard time fitting into the context of the physical world that we know today.
 
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Your logic breaks down here. Evolution assumes this first organism or whatever it was was already extant. The theory of evolution ends there.
Can that extant be given the title of "creator of the universe"? or possibly God particle?

And why should a Christian be a Theistic Evolutionist? (probably another topic for another thread...)
I'm curious to know how a Christian Theist derives Theistic Evolution from the Bible...or is it even biblical at all?
 
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The entire point of science is to answer questions like this. Anyway, it did not "will" itself into existence. If abiogenesis is true, life was formed from regular chemical reactions. There's no willing or forcing itself into existence. As theists, we would believe God is behind it.

Just because science doesn't have the answer to every single empirical question (yet) does not mean it's all wrong. I will again bring up gravity. We don't know entirely how gravity works. It could be the hypothetical quantum graviton, it could be curvatures in spacetime, or something else. However, clearly gravity exists.



At this point you've been shown plenty of evidence for evolution so it's up to you to accept it or reject it. There isn't really much to say here except that with experimentation it would be possible to reproduce conditions that mimic the environment that life started in and could give us many answers to the questions you pose. What happens when abiogenesis research takes off and begins to answer those questions? Will there be an outright denial then too?


Once again, evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life, as has been established previously several times. Therefore, this point is moot. But a primordial environment is not "mere imagination." There is always empirical evidence to recreate it by looking on extreme places in Earth, other planets/moons (Titan is a good example), or laboratory recreations.



If you read words, you interpret it. There's no way around it. If you're going to claim "The scriptures speak to me their one truth," I will point you to the thousands of Protestant denominations who all have slightly (or widely) varying interpretations of the Bible. Arminianism, Calvinism, saved by faith alone, saved by faith and works, dispensationalism, non-dispensationalism, rapture, no rapture, pre-tribulation rapture, post-tribulation rapture... All gleaned from the same book. All interpreted from the same words. The Bible can be used to justify almost anything. There's a point though, where it just doesn't make sense anymore. Often the problem in those cases is context. Context of the book itself, context of the rest of the Bible, or even the context of the created world itself. Suffice it to say, a literal Genesis has a hard time fitting into the context of the physical world that we know today.

As "theists" haha. You know theistic evolution is atheistic evolution only with a God. You say empirical evidence (All knowledge comes from observation.) Tell me how you can "know" about the Single-Celled organism whenever there is no observable evidence for its existence? You see, Evolutionists studied the origins of mankind through ape-like structures but soon there was a point whenever it stopped and they do not know what happened before that, so they came up with something they "believed" to be so. You can't observe how this single-organism reproduced because it has already reproduced you cannot go back in time and see what happened. Whatever is stated about the past is an "assumption" unless there was someone who was there or their is written documentation back from the age-generation it came from. You know, the primordial soup theory has been around for over a 100 years and yet still no answers? Hmmm. What does that tell you?

In a letter to Joseph Dalton Hooker on February 1, 1871,[12] Charles Darwin addressed the question, suggesting that the original spark of life may have begun in a "warm little pond,

Wikipedia (^^^^)

Yet you try to justify evolution as the law of gravitation to show that saying the ToE is like saying Gravity does not exist. Only except the "foundation" of gravity can be explained with thorough detail. But as for the origin of life and then afterwards the diversity of life has complications and errors within itself with questions that could be raised for more than 100 years and yet still have answer. This is an unreliable source of a rescuing device to save the "assumption" of the ToE. You cannot accumulate the law of gravitation to evolution. We may not know how gravity exactly works but we know the basics of what gravity it because there is actual EMPIRICAL evidence for it. For example; drop an apple from height of 10 feet. Another key factor for gravity is because we are still witnessing it today. As for the theory of abiogenesis there is no definition of it, no explanation for it, it lived in an undefined environment, and the etc. We cannot test this theory therefore we cannot gain knowledge of this theory. It seems like to me, they made an assumption but forgot to give the rationality of the theory because it cannot be rationalized and for a worldview to be "logically" correct it must be rational within itself.

You refer Evolution to science which is totally false as it cannot explain the questions science made upon itself. Evolution is all assumptions because they have no been back in time to explain what happened, just because there are similarities in skull structure does not mean we are common ancestors within that "kind." A human may look like a Ape-like structure but it is still a human. A dog may look like some other kind of hideous animal but it is still a dog. A turtle that has a different shell on its back from the other one observed does not mean they came from their ancestors because they are turtles.

I can say the same thing to you, because this whole world has the same evidence, the same universe, same world, same plants and animals just same everything. We have evidence for creation it is up to you to accept it or reject it. See I can say the same thing because we all have the same world with the same evidence. Your foundation for interpreting the evidence is "sinful." Creation's foundation is based upon the Bible which is infallible and totally consistent within each artifact that is evidence. The only difference is, is how we interpret these "facts" according to our presuppositions within our worldview. But in your case, you are biased within yourself having two beliefs in one which in the "logical" realm to be rational you need to be unbiased.

Also those questions I stated will never be answered.

It would be impossible to test with experimentation the possibilities of abiogenesis. For, if we were able to test this supposed true "theory" how would we know what it is consisted of and what it looked like? If "natural selection" is about "survival of the fittest" how did this single-celled organism survive off of nothing for BILLIONS or MILLIONS of years with nothing to eat? What was the first life form being it REPRODUCED and how did it do so within itself? Whenever the diversity of species came about where did the land come from? and how did it get there? When the land came about did it need oxygen and how did it get here?

How could whenever the Big Bang started expanded, How big was the sun whenever it was first formed and what how did this blind force make it? (The Bible states Earth before Sun.) Since the Sun is using its energy and soon will disintegrate how big was the sun whenever it first was made and when was it actually made? If the universe is billions of years of old, how come the Blue stars in the universe use their fuel twice as fast as the sun but are ten times bigger than the sun and cannot last billions of years are still in the universe today? If the universe was billions of years old, science has stated the moon is moving away from the earth at a foot and a half I think. If the world was billions of years old, how close would the moon be to the earth?

You used to "re-create" but what did it look like? What was the defined environment it was in? Where did it originate? Ocean? Freshwater? Pond? Lake? Stream? Creek? What were its components inside the organism and outside the organism?

Okay, look. Whenever I read GENESIS, GOD SAYS, He spoke and IT WAS SO. Therefore IT IS! I do not question GOD's authority. If you say, Well this is the problem. Well, If I have to question the Creation by GOD the Creator. Why don't we just question God actually dying on the cross for a remission of sins? I know he did, and I know his creation is true. I asked him to save me and he did and I am a new creature just like his Promise states (2 Corinthians 5:17). I let it speak to me, I do not tell God what happened by saying evolution is the answer for the origins not the biblical account of Creation because this is just impossible. Of course it is for mankind to do such a thing, but we are TALKING ABOUT JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD!
 
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There are many different dating methods depending on a lot of variables and I am not versed in any of them. But if God created all the organisms at the same time we should see a hodgepodge of organisms with no order in the strata, but we do see a clear order that isn't violated and predicted quite well by the theory of evolution.

I've been away from this thread for quite a while, so forgive me if this has already been answered.

During my university years, I studied every dating method available at that time, and I noticed that every one of them applicable to living things except one was based on an unprovable assumption. In some cases tit was one assumption, in other cases a different one. The only one that was logically rigorous was tree ring dating. This, by the way, can only date items from a limited area and for only less than six thousand years. (Humm.... where have I heard that number before?) And tree ring dating gives different dates than carbon 14 dating on the same item!
 
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The only one that was logically rigorous was tree ring dating.

Thanks, i never knew that, but wait a second, there is a claim that there is a 9000 yo tree, i think in Norway. Obviously if this tree has been dated, and as you say, that stuffs up the 6014 year old earth theory theory doesn't it.

Oh, and how can they do tree ring dating without cutting the tree down, and therefore killing the tree. Is there a xray or something? Icant imagine the tree huggers letting anyone cut a tree down to see how old it is.
 
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I will in about a "week" post something about the faults with the "Big Bang" and the problem with "millions-of-years" (Darkness will be interested in this because it involves Star-light).

You still have yet to show me how star light can reach Earth in different ways, or at different speeds. Or even clarifying which one you are really talking about.

I will show you things that will disprove the Big Bang, but you will probably deny it because we have supposedly determined truth like "gravitation."

If you think anyone knows the truth about gravitation your way off. The basic formula involves a constant, but we don't know the constant; in each scenario the constant changes a little. There is plenty that we don't know about gravity, not to mention that nothing in science is considered "truth".

Again, gravitation is different than evolution. Gravitation has nothing to do with evolution whatsoever.

Correct! Similarly abiogenesis has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. While abiogenesis is more closely related to evolution than gravity; they both stand separately on their own evidence.

But just wait abuot a week or two, LOL. Why? Because I have been studying for about a month of being an Astrophysicist. You'll see through the LORD. =]

I'm sure you're studying real astrophysics. ;)
I hope you realize that the professionals have studied this stuff for years in school to have a career in the field and actually do the experiments and look at the data, and all of them disagree with you. No matter how hard you think you are studying, it comes no where near how much the professionals have studied to get to where they are today.
 
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You still have yet to show me how star light can reach Earth in different ways, or at different speeds. Or even clarifying which one you are really talking about.



If you think anyone knows the truth about gravitation your way off. The basic formula involves a constant, but we don't know the constant; in each scenario the constant changes a little. There is plenty that we don't know about gravity, not to mention that nothing in science is considered "truth".



Correct! Similarly abiogenesis has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. While abiogenesis is more closely related to evolution than gravity; they both stand separately on their own evidence.



I'm sure you're studying real astrophysics. ;)
I hope you realize that the professionals have studied this stuff for years in school to have a career in the field and actually do the experiments and look at the data, and all of them disagree with you. No matter how hard you think you are studying, it comes no where near how much the professionals have studied to get to where they are today.

1. I said I would in about 1-2 weeks.

2. I have made a statement showing that Creationists know science because they hid their faith in Jesus in order to get a degree in there section. And secularists say that, the Creationists have knowledge, but they do not know they are creationists. So, to say they do not know science is fallacious.

3. You did not even bother to answer or regard the rest of the post.
 
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1. I said I would in about 1-2 weeks.

2. I have made a statement showing that Creationists know science because they hid their faith in Jesus in order to get a degree in there section. And secularists say that, the Creationists have knowledge, but they do not know they are creationists. So, to say they do not know science is fallacious.

3. You did not even bother to answer or regard the rest of the post.

1. I patiently, and eagerly, wait for the evidence against the big bang you can bring to the table.

2. I honestly don't know what this has to do with what I wrote above, perhaps my comment on degree mills that creationists get them from? I do not deny that some creationists go through the proper educational requirements from credible universities to get their degree(s). In fact on another forum I'm a member of it was recently discussed that a YEC geologist has a real PhD degree from a credible university; although he stated that if it wasn't for his belief in God he would accept evolution and the age of the Earth and universe as what the scientific majority have concluded.

I've have heard of creationists masking as non-creationists to get into degree programs to learn about evolution ect. so they can learn the holes of the theory and bring it down. And there is an uproar among the scientific community; one position is that they seek to destroy science so we shouldn't let them get degrees or teach them. The other side is saying that although what they are doing is wrong, the scientific community must let them get degrees and be omitted to the educational system or it is a violation of their religious rights.

3. I was short on time and didn't have time to respond to the whole thing; I'll go back and see what else I can comment on, although I've noticed some of the things we've been talking about are starting to become redundant. Perhaps we need to synthesis our stances a little, or take a few steps back and focus on fewer things that are more central to our positions?
 
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Thanks, i never knew that, but wait a second, there is a claim that there is a 9000 yo tree, i think in Norway. Obviously if this tree has been dated, and as you say, that stuffs up the 6014 year old earth theory theory doesn't it.

Oh, and how can they do tree ring dating without cutting the tree down, and therefore killing the tree. Is there a xray or something? Icant imagine the tree huggers letting anyone cut a tree down to see how old it is.

You don't have to cut down a tree to get its date. I'm not sure what all it involves. Scientists take a small sample of the tree trunk, I think it leaves a hole in tree, but it doesn't harm the tree or in any significant way. Perhaps BibleWriter can explain the method better, as I know almost nothing on the subject. Still, you're right that even going on tree ring data you have to push the age of the Earth past the standard YEC claim.
 
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I've been away from this thread for quite a while, so forgive me if this has already been answered.

I don't think this was discussed, and welcome back!

During my university years, I studied every dating method available at that time, and I noticed that every one of them applicable to living things except one was based on an unprovable assumption. In some cases tit was one assumption, in other cases a different one. The only one that was logically rigorous was tree ring dating. This, by the way, can only date items from a limited area and for only less than six thousand years. (Humm.... where have I heard that number before?) And tree ring dating gives different dates than carbon 14 dating on the same item!

A little expept from wiki on tree ring data: Fully anchored chronologies which extend back more than 10,000 years exist for river oak trees from South Germany (from the Main and Rhine rivers).[2][3] Another fully anchored chronology which extends back 8500 years exists for the bristlecone pine in the Southwest US (White Mountains of California).[4] Furthermore, the mutual consistency of these two independent dendrochronological sequences has been confirmed by comparing their radiocarbon and dendrochronological ages.[5] In 2004 a new calibration curve INTCAL04 was internationally ratified for calibrated dates back to 26,000 Before Present (BP) based on an agreed worldwide data set of trees and marine sediments.[6]

So first thing to notice is that the 6K yr. thing is, being blunt, bogus. I don't know which case you are referring to on the last sentence, and since I'm not in any way ready to discuss radioactivity measurements on any meaningful level; We'll have to live with my unintelligible "I don't agree with that statement" for now. If you want to expand on it go ahead, but I'm afraid my response might not change too much. :(
 
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WingsOfEagles07,

After skimming your last post directly to me a few pages back, and the following posts made by you and Dark Lite, I don't really see anything for me to add to the discussion. If you have something you still want to discuss just let me know and I'll do my best to answer you. Although I'm curious as to what you think of redshift, and background radiation. If it didn't come from the big bang, how do you, or your sources, explain it?
 
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WingsOfEagles07,

After skimming your last post directly to me a few pages back, and the following posts made by you and Dark Lite, I don't really see anything for me to add to the discussion. If you have something you still want to discuss just let me know and I'll do my best to answer you. Although I'm curious as to what you think of redshift, and background radiation. If it didn't come from the big bang, how do you, or your sources, explain it?

I will address the issues about the 'Big Bang' in about a week. I have a lot of work to do school starts in 9 days and I have "summer reading" to do. I have to read three books and I have already read two and now I am reading the third one and it is boring like a lot. Then as you read it you have make entries every 2-3 chapters and it has 18 chapters. After you finish the book, you have to do a two-page essay on it. For the other books I have to do a 25-term search and a 2-page essay for one book. Then for the second book I read I have to answer these 10 questions that have like 3 questions in each question. Yeah, I have to do it all before school starts. Sucks. So, it will take me time to post on here since my time is limited. But I will get to it, I promise.
 
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I will address the issues about the 'Big Bang' in about a week. I have a lot of work to do school starts in 9 days and I have "summer reading" to do. I have to read three books and I have already read two and now I am reading the third one and it is boring like a lot. Then as you read it you have make entries every 2-3 chapters and it has 18 chapters. After you finish the book, you have to do a two-page essay on it. For the other books I have to do a 25-term search and a 2-page essay for one book. Then for the second book I read I have to answer these 10 questions that have like 3 questions in each question. Yeah, I have to do it all before school starts. Sucks. So, it will take me time to post on here since my time is limited. But I will get to it, I promise.

I understand summer reading. That is what I like being out of high school and in college, no summer reading! Although I still have to take the math placement test to get into calculus :( Well it looks like you have your work cut out for you, good luck in getting all that done in 9 days. Reply you when you can. :)
 
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Correct! Similarly abiogenesis has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. While abiogenesis is more closely related to evolution than gravity; they both stand separately on their own evidence.
I often find this statement humorous. It's like saying sex has nothing to do with babies popping out 9 months later or rockets have nothing to do with satellites orbiting the Earth.

Here is an example: video about abiogenesis At the very beginning you will see this statement at 0:42 "The origin of life, abiogenesis, has NOTHING to do with the theory of evolution." then 7:47 you will see this "Thus beginning evolution!" and another at 9:33 "A simple 2 component system that SPONTANEOUSLY forms in the pre-biotic Earth can eat, grow, contain information, replicate, and EVOLVE."

While you find many evolutionist claiming ToE is just as sound as gravity yet you are less likely to hear them claim it is as sound as abiogenesis. Now if abiogenesis was anywhere as easy as this video let on then they wouldn't be so quick to separate ToE from abiogenesis.
 
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Abiogenesis does not have anything to do with evolution. They are related, but distinct. The video, which presumably describes abiogenesis, then segues into a comment about the other theory that describes how life diversified: that being evolution. That doesn't change the fact that evolution requires life to be existent.
 
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I understand summer reading. That is what I like being out of high school and in college, no summer reading! Although I still have to take the math placement test to get into calculus :( Well it looks like you have your work cut out for you, good luck in getting all that done in 9 days. Reply you when you can. :)

Yeah, Man I so hate this summer reading. I just read three chapters and it has gave me a headache. The reason I have to read is because I am taking, "AP English Composition" and not normal English like I will taking next year my senior year. LOL. I am not doing another summer reading. This is my schedule for this year, and my pre-planned senior schedule. There are two semesters. I have normal classes for 50 minutes called, "Mods" and Blocks are 2 Mods Long. Then after the first semester the blocks switch to the second block for example of my junior year. (Alg. 2 honors for a Block for the first semester then Trig. honors for a block 2nd semester.)

Junior Year (This Year)

1. AP English Composition
2. AP US History
3. Algebra 2 Honors (Block) / Trigonometry Honors (Block)
4. Chemistry (Block) / Physics (Pre-AP - Block)
5. Physical Education

Senior Year

1. English 12
2. Civics (History)
3. AP Calculus
4. Earth Science (Block) / Human Anatomy (Block)
5. Micro-Biology (Block) / Astronomy (Block)

That is my plan. I am taking astronomy last because I want to become an Astrophysicist. =] Going to be hard.
 
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Abiogenesis is the Mother of evolution so I say it has a lot to do with it. It's even more interesting evolutionist love to compare/identify their theory with gravity more than abiogenesis.

The abiogenesis theory came after evolutionary theory I'm pretty sure. Note I didn't say they weren't related. They do indeed go hand in hand. The mistake you are making, though, is assuming that means they are inextricably connected and cannot be decoupled. Such is not the case.

The gravity comparison is a general analogy. The comparison could be done with any number of other theories such as germ theory. It's a response to the all-too-common creationist argument "evolution is only a theory!"
 
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The main reasons I generally hear gravity used instead of abiogenesis are:
1: there is something very significant we do not know about gravity (namely the particle/wave/whatever that carries it). But it is still universally accepted. There are still flat earthers, still anti-evolutionists, but no anti-gravityists... DESPITE THIS HUGE GAP IN OUR KNOWLEDGE.

We don't have such a gap in evolution. Yes, yes, i know, we don't have a fossil of every animal that ever lived. But we know what causes and the effect of evolution. Not so with gravity. But who questions gravity?

2. Gravity, atomic theory, cell theory, heliocentric theory, big bang theory, all are just theories. Any would work. And there are plenty more. But gravity is only one word. You never hear gravitational theory or the theory of universal gravitation in layspeak.

3. People DISPUTE abiogenesis. So, if we're trying to compare evolutionary theory to something rock-solid... why use something contested?

Personally, I would go with germ theory because there is a law of gravity (which is an equation) but no law of germs. Yet germ theory is still a theory just like evolution.


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