Im not talking about categories here, I was talking about the two different ways you used the word, "evolution." Go to your local library and get a dictionary. Or got to Dictionary.com and look up the word since you seem to believe there is one whenever there isn't.
I assure you I know more about evolution than you do, and I don't need to look it up in a dictionary. In fact the dictionary definition is probably not a good place to start understanding what evolution really is. There are different ways evolution is used; biological evolution (what were talking about), stellar evolution (how stars go through their life stages), chemical evolution (also known as abiogenesis and not biological evolution). In biological evolution there is only one evolution, but it is broken into micro and macro. Micro as changes with in species while macro deals with speciation. Lots of micro equals macro.
You cannot observe evolution happening.
Yes we have.
It has to take the course of millions of years.
No it doesn't. How do you think evolutionary theory says dinosaurs evolved into birds? That a dino laid an egg and a blue jay popped out? Because that is not how it works. Over millions of years each generation changes slightly and over those millions of years we can see radical changes.
If the earth was not billions of years (according to evolution) we would still be around the fish/mammal part of the process. We not be humans. You take what you said, If the earth was young say (10,000 years). Then you take the evolution model of the earth is billions of years old. Place that time (10,000y) whenever the first living organism was available. Add ten thousands years, where are we? Were still in the water, but were on land today how can this be? Evolution occurs over the course of millions of years.
I think you missed the substance of that part in my post. If God created everything as said in Genesis (with the same natural laws) we would still see evolution because there would still be mutations, genetic drift and so on.
You deny the Genesis Creation account. You say we came from 'fossils' God says we come from him by the dust of the ground. How absurd. To put your faith in the assumptions of scientists that say were from fossils.
Despite I didn't say we came from fossils (I said that fossils were evidence), fossils are essentially minerals from the ground, and closer to dust than what we actually came from.
Do you just accept everything your pastor/minister says about the Bible? Or do you look into the Bible yourself and see if what they say aligns with what you read in the Bible? At some level, even if you do the later, you must realize that they know so much more than you do and you have to trust that what they are saying is true. It is the same way with science, the layman can look at a lot of the evidence themselves and see that what scientists are saying is correct. At the same time every layman, and even professionals, must admit that they don't and can't know everything and they must trust that other scientists will tell the truth of their findings.
My view of God is not to small. Can you say fallacy of ad hominem: abusive. Just because you lack the knowledge of Creation does not mean my view of God is small.
And what is this knowledge you speak of? All I'm saying is that the YEC view of God is very restrictive and in many respects too small for our modern world.
This is where you are wrong about your logical reasonings. Creationists have there "foundation" set on GOD sets the truth. They take the Bible and plce it on the evidence and it is still consistent with what they get.
YEC tries to fit the evidence into their view of a literal Genesis, but the evidence doesn't support that claim. Going into the specifics is probably not appropriate for this area, perhaps origins or the creo-evo debate under the life sciences forum would be better.
For example; The fossil record goes correctly with the Bible. How? The Flood of Noah. How about the Grand Canyon formed? How? The Flood of Noah.
This is just not what the evidence presents.
If you do not how this is possible, don't comit another prejudicial conjecture go to Creation : A Creation and Science History Project and find some answers or just do your homework before you post something.
The link isn't very well categorized, and I doubt I would be able to find anything specific if I looked. But if you have a link that shows how the evidence fits a global flood and it formed the grand canyon post it.
(This is a post to search Creationist wise not look at evidences that the flood didn't happen by evolution.) This is where 2 Peter 3:3-9 is a prophesy. In this book chapter and verses. It says in the last days there will be "scoffers" (Isaiah 5:19-22 -- I think). Then it says people will be willingly ignorant of the word of God.
I find it amusing that I said that I can see why 2 Peter could be viewed as a prophesy, although I don't agree that is what is it, but instead of showing me how Romans 1 or 3 is prophesy you decide to post about 2 Peter instead.
You see, Evolutionists do exactly this. They believe that the earth will continue to go on just like the time from Creation til now and for millions of more years. Then it says they are willingly ignorant of word of God.
As Dark Lite is trying to get you to understand, evolution doesn't say anything other than explain why there is diversity in life. To draw any other conclusions from evolutionary theory is not scientific but falls into realms such as philosophy and theology.
Evolutionists do exactly what this says. They are and you are you are willingly ignorant of the word of God.
Good luck convincing the vast majority of Christians that they are willingly ignorant of God's word.
a. If evolution had nothing to do with laws of logic, then how are you right now here making 'weak' arguments against Creation?
This has nothing to do with evolution.
b. Evolution cannot give a logical explanation for why they use this precondition while being rational and internally consistent. They have no basis to use this principle.
If we assume this idea (uniformity of nature) is false, than we have very little to work with. To work under the assumption that it is correct than we open up new possibilities of research. If after we do some research and the evidence doesn't quite fit with that assumption, than we might have to conclude that the assumption is incorrect. However, since we have done reasearch related to this there is no reason to question this.
c. Animals have morality?
Some, but it is a very primitive form compared to ours.
Why does an animal kill animals?
For food, protection, territory (sort of like protection). However animals don't commit genocide or start wars with each other, humans on the other hand do. Perhaps we should learn from the simplicity of animal morality.
Like saying that no 'afterlife' exists. That we also derived from animals, animals have no morality. Evolution teaches that people should a choice of what they believe.
Well evolution doesn't teach that no afterlife exists, or that animals have no morality (in fact science would disagree there), nor does evolution teach that people have a choice in what they believe, it only explains the diversity of life.
I can on to show you how evolution has caused many things we see today; abortion, homosexuality.
Evolution says nothing about that (perhaps a little on homosexuality but that is another conversation all together).
Why can't I kill your mom? Because you'd say it is wrong. Well, how come it is wrong? Because it is not right. How come it is not right? You would say cause it is murder. What basis do you on judging right or wrong? How do you know killing a person is wrong whenever you have no basis for it? After all we are just the aftermath of evolved animals over time, therefore on what basis do you have to say killing someone is wrong whenever in the evolutionary worldview, "Man decides" truth?
Science can show how basic morality, as seen in some animals like dogs, could have been selected for and with our advanced frontal lobe and cerebral cortex we could create a higher sense of morality that could serve as a selected advantage to other animals (btw, we are animals). I would say that God ultimately decides what is right and what is wrong. However, I doubt He is unsympathetic to our individual circumstances. Meaning that the principles of what is right and wrong doesn't change, but how we express those principles can.
d. This has everything with what we are talking about. Without the reliability of our senses how would we be able to do any science? If our eyes were not reliable, then how could we say the fossil record is what caused us to evolve? If our sense were not reliable tell me how cuold we do science since we cannot trust them. You even said that they 'could' be wrong. But in your eyes you have already assumed that evolution is correct just because of the beliefs of scientists. So really this is kind of like the fallacy of begging the question.
You yourself assume many things that are just wrong. Dark Lite already demonstrated how our senses can be mislead, and there are many more. Generally our senses are good enough; I'm positive I am seeing a computer screen in front of me, I'm positive I am feeling the keyboard on my fingertips, I'm positive I am hearing my dog barking at the mailman, I'm positive my dog smells really bad right now and needs a bath, I'm positive there's a blueberry jolly rancher in my mouth because I can taste it. But it has been shown that the senses are not always reliable.
e. So if you went bike riding for 10 miles one day, then you came to me and said yeah I went bike riding yesterday for ten miles. Well, How do I know your telling the truth. You would say because I remember doing it. That is showing me that you 'assume' your memory is 'reliable.' Just because you remember it does not mean I know it is true, or to everyone else. Yet again quit committing prejudicial conjectures. You have done your homework for evolution and evolution only. No creation. Memory has a lot to do with science and if you do not know this, then idk how you even know the difference between science and evolution.
You obviously don't know how memory works. It can be changed, corrupted and warped. If a bunch of people are in a room talking, nothing out of the ordinary, than a person dressed in a gorilla suit walked right in the middle of the room and out, almost no one would have seen it! Does that sound like a reliable memory? Other experiments have been done that show how the memory can be changed due to social pressures and just plain wrong. Memory is very unreliable.
f. LOL, You know evolutionists have freedom and dignity.
Sure, but evolution says nothing about them.
But what for?? They do not have justification for this. Why do they hold funeral services for their loved ones? They are just "animals." Why do they hold a funeral service for that loved one? They just went back to be fertilizer for plants. They had no meaning of purpose in this life. Evolution has no basis of accountability for having this.
You are adding things to what evolution says that clearly have nothing to do with evolution.
I also find it amusing that this country of nothing but relative morality holds a MOMENT OF SILENCE and a MEMORIAL SERVICE for MICHAEL JACKSON'S DEATH AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE WEEPING AND CRYING JUST OVER ONE GUY BUT OUT TROOPS ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIVES OVER IN IRAQ, THEY PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE AND SOME DIE SERVING OUR COUNTRY BUT NOTHING IN THIS COUNTRY HAPPENS. (Oh there goes another soldier.)
This is more of a psychology/sociology question rather than evolution. Many people felt that Michael Jackson did a lot to touch their lives and the lives of millions, and the sudden unexpected death of that person was a shock to millions and they felt sorrow because they were touched. While any life lost or radically changed due to war in the middle east is horrible, none of them are known throughout the world, and outside of their family and friends not many people will morn them. If everyone in the world was to morn everyone who had died nothing would get done, that's why most people only morn those who they feel connected to. While it can be troublesome at times to think about, it is not necessarily a bad thing to recognize.
Thanks "Evolution" ...Families suffer because of evolution and I do not care if you Darkness see how this is possible. If you do not see it then you have very little knowledge of JUST WHAT EVOLUTION teaches other than EVOLUTION OF SPECIES.
The ToE doesn't teach anything other than the diversity of life. Anything passed that is not science. So how exactly does evolution harm families and make them suffer?
man you have your knowledge mixed up. You claim they only assume one and that is (b) well how can this be if our eyes are not reliable? One cannot view the world logically if there is no reliability for sense.
The reliability of the senses and memory is not an all or none side, the reality is somewhere in the middle. Dark Lite showed how your eyes can be deceived and I showed you how memory can be deceived.
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