what makes a "bishop" better than a "priest"?

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Well written.

As a side note I might mention that deaconesses duties were primarily to serve women being baptised. The 'gnostics' of the early era used deaconesses at the Altar.

Forgive me...

I learn something new every day! Cool.

There were also female eucharistic ministers called "conhospitae".

 

[laconicstudent]

Well written.

As a side note I might mention that deaconesses duties were primarily to serve women being baptised. The 'gnostics' of the early era used deaconesses at the Altar.

Forgive me...

Deaconess - OrthodoxWiki
http://www.anastasis.org.uk/woman_deacon.htm

 

[Montalban]

If you would quit twisitng what I have said it may not be circular..

You've simply said that Jesus chooses whom he chooses.

For a reason, then not.

 

[Montalban]

You tell me why He chose the 12 He chose then please.. Scripture does not tell us why He chose who He did.. I cannot guess or speculate as to why and have it as sound truth but an opinion..

This is typical! You don't answer the question except to state Jesus chooses whom he chooses - contradicted by your saying he chooses because they were witnesses.

And, unable to reconcile your own arguments against yourself you turn this into asking others to explain themselves

 

[MamaZ]

This is typical! You don't answer the question except to state Jesus chooses whom he chooses - contradicted by your saying he chooses because they were witnesses.

And, unable to reconcile your own arguments against yourself you turn this into asking others to explain themselves

Funny how you can accuse others but still not answer what has been asked. If you do not have the answer just say so. You tell me why Jesus chose who He chose. What was Jesus reasoning behind whom He chose? Why the 12? Why not Mary?

 

[Montalban]

Funny how you can accuse others but still not answer what has been asked.

Firstly, you still haven't answered me except to make two contradicting statements

Jesus had a reason - they were witnesses. Jesus had no reason - he chose whom ever he chose, just because.

If you do not have the answer just say so. You tell me why Jesus chose who He chose. What was Jesus reasoning behind whom He chose? Why the 12? Why not Mary?

Why 12? I don't know.

I believe it has something to do with a reflection of the 12 tribes. Why choose? Because Jesus wanted the faith to be kept rightly. To maintain a way of making sure that true faith is kept. Jesus appointed leaders. The leaders themselves discuss the attributes of leaders. Paul tells us to follow our elders. Paul tells us the type of man who should be a bishop.

Why not Mary? The roles of men and women in the church differ as men and women's roles in the family differ too.

I'm still waiting for you - several days now.

 

[MamaZ]

Firstly, you still haven't answered me except to make two contradicting statements

Jesus had a reason - they were witnesses. Jesus had no reason - he chose whom ever he chose, just because.



Why 12? I don't know.

I believe it has something to do with a reflection of the 12 tribes. Why choose? Because Jesus wanted the faith to be kept rightly. To maintain a way of making sure that true faith is kept. Jesus appointed leaders. The leaders themselves discuss the attributes of leaders. Paul tells us to follow our elders. Paul tells us the type of man who should be a bishop.

Why not Mary? The roles of men and women in the church differ as men and women's roles in the family differ too.

I'm still waiting for you - several days now.

Not playing your game here Mont.. The answer I gave was simple. Scripture does not tell us why Jesus chose who He chose. He chose them before they were eye witnesses to Him He sent them after they were eye witness to Him. He spent three years ministering to these because they were to go into all the world and preach and teach Men Christ. The faith that men have is to be in Christ and not in a group who states they are the only way.. For there is only one way and that is Christ.

 

[Polycarp1]

Not playing your game here Mont.. The answer I gave was simple. Scripture does not tell us why Jesus chose who He chose. He chose them before they were eye witnesses to Him He sent them after they were eye witness to Him. He spent three years ministering to these because they were to go into all the world and preach and teach Men Christ. The faith that men have is to be in Christ and not in a group who states they are the only way.. For there is only one way and that is Christ.

Now it makes sense -- thanks, MamaZ! Paraphrasing what you said: "We don't know why because we're never told. They were to serve as witnesses -- but they were called first, before they became witnesses. Why them, just them and no others? We don't know." Nice!

 

[Montalban]

Not playing your game here Montalban

It's not a game. It's called discussion. I ask you questions based on what you say, not based on what you think - I can't tell what you think except by what you write down.

The answer I gave was simple. Scripture does not tell us why Jesus chose who He chose.

I agree. However that he chose some from amongst the many is significant.

He chose them before they were eye witnesses to Him He sent them after they were eye witness to Him. He spent three years ministering to these because they were to go into all the world and preach and teach Men Christ.

That is true. But for you, this mission is made meaningless by the fact that you believe you just have to have faith.

What authority did these men have to go and tell the world of God?

The faith that men have is to be in Christ and not in a group who states they are the only way.. For there is only one way and that is Christ.

That's not scripturally accurate, for not all who cry "Lord! Lord!" will be saved except those that DO God's Will.

You're also ignoring any significance of Jesus setting aside 12. And of Paul calling us to obey our elders, and for the Acts of the Apostles showing a structure of church - such as deacons, priests, bishops, etc.

 

[Philothei]

Originally Posted by MamaZ

The faith that men have is to be in Christ and not in a group who states they are the only way.. For there is only one way and that is Christ.

Why did Christ gathered his disciples? What significance you see in that instance in the Gospel? And what about commanding them to go and teach and "baptize"? You think that such command was for "anyone" who believed but Christ specifically sends out the Twelve for that "evangelization" to say contrary is to deny Chris's words now is it?
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[Montalban]

Originally Posted by MamaZ

Why did Christ gathered his disciples? What significance you see in that instance in the Gospel? And what about commanding them to go and teach and "baptize"? You think that such command was for "anyone" who believed but Christ specifically sends out the Twelve for that "evangelization" to say contrary is to deny Chris's words now is it?
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Indeed. Surely people just should have had to have faith. Instead we have Paul rebuking people who differ in how they worship