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What made you believe - your story

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Ideally, I would be hearing answers from people who became Christians after adulthood, and who were previously non-religious, not converted from another faith. How did you come to believe in the things that are required to believe in the Christian faith?

And maybe more people can answer this one: how do you deal with having doubts? I am talking about the supernatural bits; of course there is no doubt that Jesus was good and wise. Even if the Bible was a work of fiction, that would still be true of him as a character.

I'm asking because I'd like to be more religious so my whole family can be the same religion. I know some would say that's the wrong reason, but look at it this way: sometimes you have to start going through the motions and sincerity follows.

I've considered myself an atheist or agnostic for a long time and I'm not down on Christianity or think it's dumb or anything, I just don't see why people come to believe it, since common sense tells us that those miracles couldn't happen.

If anyone could recommend books that would be great. For example, I love GK Chesterton and CS Lewis, the grownup books...ok who am I kidding, I still love to read the Narnia books. I'm open to
non-fiction philosophy and theology too. What books helped you?
 
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Ideally, I would be hearing answers from people who became Christians after adulthood, and who were previously non-religious, not converted from another faith. How did you come to believe in the things that are required to believe in the Christian faith?

And maybe more people can answer this one: how do you deal with having doubts? I am talking about the supernatural bits; of course there is no doubt that Jesus was good and wise. Even if the Bible was a work of fiction, that would still be true of him as a character.

I'm asking because I'd like to be more religious so my whole family can be the same religion. I know some would say that's the wrong reason, but look at it this way: sometimes you have to start going through the motions and sincerity follows.

I've considered myself an atheist or agnostic for a long time and I'm not down on Christianity or think it's dumb or anything, I just don't see why people come to believe it, since common sense tells us that those miracles couldn't happen.

If anyone could recommend books that would be great. For example, I love GK Chesterton and CS Lewis, the grownup books...ok who am I kidding, I still love to read the Narnia books. I'm open to
non-fiction philosophy and theology too. What books helped you?

For the benefit of Tapero, yes, I did edit this post but I did not edit it for any reason other than to flesh out some of my answers.

Here's my story:

I was twenty-four years old and had a terrific life. I was a little like a character in a Jimmy Buffett song.

I made my living by playing music at night and as a sailing instructor in the daytime.

In the fall and spring, I could make enough money to support myself for several months by sailing boats down to the Carribean for older people or people in poor health, who couldn't make the passage on their own, or people who could, but just didn't have the extra time it took.

A man called me one day and asked if he could hire me to sail his Island Packet down to St. Barts. Since St. Barts is one of my favorite destinations, I jumped at the chance.

The plan was to sail down, girlfriend in tow, and fly back about ten days later. The good thing about being a boat bum is that you can pretty much go where you want, when you want.

One night, as I was looking through the boat's bookshelf, I noticed a Bible.

Now, I wasn't a Christian as a child, but I did attend a church youth group when I was about ten and I memorized a lot of Bible verses. I more or less hadn't picked up a Bible since then, but I was curious to see how well I remembered those verses.

I quoted Psalm 1 all the way through and then I looked it up to see if I was right, and I was mostly right. I was enjoying reading it and was just flipping from verse to verse when I came across Psalm 19, which told me that the heavens, themselves, testified to God's glory.

Now I had always had a vague belief in God and I was sure that, however the universe came to be that God probably had something to do with it, but sitting there under that unbelievable Carribean sky, with a million stars so close and so bright that you could almost reach out and touch them, something in my brain clicked and it was like the difference between knowing that a stove is hot, intellectually, and putting your hand on the stove and knowing that it's hot, experientially.

Before, God existed only in the intellectual information in my brain. But now, I had experienced God and seen His footprints for myself.

Continuing a little further in the book, I came to Isaiah 6, where it talks about Isaiah coming face to face with God's holiness in the temple.

Now, Isaiah wasn't just some guy off the street. He was someone who had been handpicked by God because of his faithfulness and consecrated to be a prophet of God to preach repentence to Israel. He was God's representative on Earth.

So, Isaiah goes into the temple and sees God's holiness and he becomes completely unglued. He freaks out and starts running around the temple looking for a place to hide from God because, where he had believed that he was holy, he now saw his holiness in light of God's holiness and realized just how sinful he really was in light of God's perfect standard.

This really set me to thinking. I mean, if God's own prophet was so sinful that he was this offensive to God, then how must God see me?

I had a conscience and it brought to mind all of the times I had done wrong, even if I didn't understand God's law or that what I had done was sin. I thought about these things and I just had to know where I stood with God and what I could do to be made right with Him.

So, we ended up flying into Key West and driving north through Alabama, where I wanted to stop and see some family. While I was there, my step-mother introduced me to her pastor and invited us to church with her.

Afterward, I sat on the church steps with him and told him about my experience.

He told me how God is holy and righteous and just, and must pour His wrath out on us because of our sin, but that He is also loving and compassionate and pleads with us to repent and put our faith in Christ so that we can be forgiven for our sins, reconciled to Him, and become children of His.

I really was struck by my sinfulness before God, the wrath of God toward sin, and the love of God that He would give His only son as a ransom for me, even after all of the times I'd sinned and rebelled against Him.

That night, in a little country church in Alabama, I prayed to God and repented of my sins and threw myself on His mercy by virtue of placing my faith in Christ's atonement on the cross on my behalf.

And that night, I was born again, a new creature in Christ, free and forgiven.

Now, about your wanting to be "more religious". I don't think you're quite getting the hang of what Christianity is all about.

It isn't a religious system of do's and don'ts and religious rituals that you can practice on Sunday morning and leave behind the rest of the week.

You need to come face to face with your sin, just like Isaiah did, and understand that your nature is sinful and corrupt and that it is impossible for you to please God on your own.

But by repenting of your sins and placing your faith in Christ's atonement on your behalf (that is, that He was sinless and chose to die in your place), you can be born again and forgiven and become a child of God.
 
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The Holy Spirit is who convinced me that the Bible was true and Christianity was the real deal. Before that I sort of thought that maybe it was true or could be "interpreted" as true - sort of the position that many liberal Christians find themselves in today. But now it's different - I know that I know that I know because I had the best teacher in the world. He turned me 180 degrees from who I was into who I am (becoming).

I love hearing testimonies! :)
 
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Ideally, I would be hearing answers from people who became Christians after adulthood, and who were previously non-religious, not converted from another faith. How did you come to believe in the things that are required to believe in the Christian faith?
I grew up in a nominally Christian family, but just grew into it.

And maybe more people can answer this one: how do you deal with having doubts?
Look at them as opportunities to re-look at the underlying questions.

I'm asking because I'd like to be more religious so my whole family can be the same religion. I know some would say that's the wrong reason, but look at it this way: sometimes you have to start going through the motions and sincerity follows.
Despite what you might think from places like this, and the books you see around, the vast majority of coverts come via relationships. That's always been true, but even more so now.
Intuitively you would think the process would be:
believe => behave => belong
churches often try to make it:
behave => believe => belong
but for the vast majority of people it's actually:
belong => believe => behave
(and there is good statistical evidence to back this up).

I've considered myself an atheist or agnostic for a long time and I'm not down on Christianity or think it's dumb or anything, I just don't see why people come to believe it, since common sense tells us that those miracles couldn't happen.
That's the whole point. They are intersting precisely because they are exceptions to the normal course of events. If you can't accept even the possibility of exceptions, then you haven't got a lot of space for the exceptional.

If anyone could recommend books that would be great. For example, I love GK Chesterton and CS Lewis, the grownup books...ok who am I kidding, I still love to read the Narnia books. I'm open to
non-fiction philosophy and theology too. What books helped you?
If you like Lewis, I would strongly recommend Simply Christian by Tom Wright.
 
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Ideally, I would be hearing answers from people who became Christians after adulthood, and who were previously non-religious, not converted from another faith. How did you come to believe in the things that are required to believe in the Christian faith?
By being convicted of sin after being sickened by the state of the world. Once I was ready to face myself in the eye of truth seeking that truth with an open heart - ready to submit myself to His authority if He was indeed affirmed -then I was ready for a relationship with Christ and He was revealed to me through His Spirit and i became a child of God through the grace of Christ.

And maybe more people can answer this one: how do you deal with having doubts? I am talking about the supernatural bits; of course there is no doubt that Jesus was good and wise.
We all have doubts that creep in but they can be weighed by the evidence as a believer that we do have - God reveals Himself over and over in many ways to the believer so we have experience to draw upon. The bible is filled with fulfilled prophecies that have come to pass and also correct historical accounts. All those things combined tell me when i do have doubt that creeps in - I can still rely and trust in Him to reveal what I need to know. There have been several times I have struggled with something but after prayer and searching out answers my faith was confirmed each time and the answer revealed to me when i was ready according to His time.

Even if the Bible was a work of fiction, that would still be true of him as a character.
When you spend time studying the bible with the Spirit of God there is no way one could reach this conclusion. Fulfilled prophecy and history alone bears this out not to mention for the meat of the word the deeper issues - it would take a complete genious beyond human measure to be able to layer it with the depth that it has. Years of study doesnt even scratch its surface.

I'm asking because I'd like to be more religious so my whole family can be the same religion. I know some would say that's the wrong reason, but look at it this way: sometimes you have to start going through the motions and sincerity follows.
Do you really need to ask to go through the motions of something you dont believe anyway? When one is saved they are sealed with Gods Spirit - the only thing that follows isnt religion- its a change of heart and beaing cleansed and having a restored relationship with God - what we were created FOR. It cannot be faked. Its lifechanging.
I've considered myself an atheist or agnostic for a long time and I'm not down on Christianity or think it's dumb or anything, I just don't see why people come to believe it, since common sense tells us that those miracles couldn't happen.
The bible says exactly that -1 corinthians 18. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Corthinans 2:
11. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
16. For "Who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?'' But we have the mind of Christ.

Mans common sense is limited to the things of this world. Physical things - not spiritual. We are dead spiritually because of sin untill we are reborn through Christ.

John 3:3. Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.''
4. Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?''
5. Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Romans 2:2. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

If anyone could recommend books that would be great. For example, I love GK Chesterton and CS Lewis, the grownup books...ok who am I kidding, I still love to read the Narnia books. I'm open to
non-fiction philosophy and theology too. What books helped you?
The Case for Christ and the Case for Faith - Lee Strobel

Classic Christianity by Bob George

The new evidence that demands a verdict by Josh McDowell

The gospel According to Job by Mike Mason
 
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I came from a very non-religious backround. I was taught that all Christians were hypocrites. It wasn't till I grew up and got away from that environment that I found that I was taught wrong. I became so psychological/emotionally desperate that I actually picked up a Bible and read the Psalms and 4 Gospels. I cannot describe what came over me while reading...except that I was completely changed for the better, and still am.
 
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Hi Terragena,

Nice to see you here again. :)

Ideally, I would be hearing answers from people who became Christians after adulthood, and who were previously non-religious, not converted from another faith. How did you come to believe in the things that are required to believe in the Christian faith?
I think you know my story already, but yeah pretty much as I said - I was a non-Christian, I came to faith through my wife who was patient and kind enough to stand with me, talk to me openly about things and gave me a real reason to consider that aspect of my life.

And maybe more people can answer this one: how do you deal with having doubts? I am talking about the supernatural bits; of course there is no doubt that Jesus was good and wise. Even if the Bible was a work of fiction, that would still be true of him as a character.
Some elements of this I still battle with, but lets face facts here, we believe in the afterlife, a supernatural deity so really are miracles, healing, spiritual warfare and such really that far fetched notions?

I'm asking because I'd like to be more religious so my whole family can be the same religion. I know some would say that's the wrong reason, but look at it this way: sometimes you have to start going through the motions and sincerity follows.
I believe that is exactly what happened with me. I don't think God really cares how we come to Him, as long as we do so eventually. My repentance and acceptance of God as my saviour is very real and important to me. There were times when I was sort of fence-sitting for a while, more to keep the peace with my wife, but something took root then, it didn't end just with peace-keeping. I started to do things on my own, when she wasn't around, I began to think differently, read the Bible and eventually I think I began to lead her, as her faith had hit hard times then too. When it was happening, I had no idea of it. Only a short time after could I look back and notice how much things have changed.

I've considered myself an atheist or agnostic for a long time and I'm not down on Christianity or think it's dumb or anything, I just don't see why people come to believe it, since common sense tells us that those miracles couldn't happen.
If you struggle with these things, then I would suggest first up that you should realise the Bible doesn't say how these things happened. It doesn't detail the mechanics. It does say God did them, which has become somewhat of a joke amongst non-Christians (Goddidit!) yet really, I don't see why. If you walk into a room and there is a cup of tea on the table, and you ask who made it and your son says, "Dad did it.", would you think something odd of that (apart from not asking for tea or whatever ;)). I wouldn't. The important thing here I think, is that even though God did these things, we are not told how. There are many explanations, I would recommend watching a film called The Exodus Decoded, as it explains many events in the book from a scientific standpoint, including the plagues that befell Egypt (water to blood, Angel of Death and so on).

Recall that this is just one suggestion of how those events could have happened, using the scientific model that we have today. Also something to keep in mind is that there isn't science and religion. If we believe in God, and we live in this world, then we believe in God and we understand this world through science. The two reconcile, we don't ignore some things and accept others. We all have the same facts, the same evidence, it's in our interpretation that we may differ.

If anyone could recommend books that would be great. For example, I love GK Chesterton and CS Lewis, the grownup books...ok who am I kidding, I still love to read the Narnia books. I'm open to
non-fiction philosophy and theology too. What books helped you?
Well Mere Christianity is a great book in my honest opinion, and it touches on science and how we interpret the world and why religion and the supernatural may escape our notice if we rely soley on physical science, to prove the supernatual. Also The Screwtape Letters, just remember it's fiction though. ;)

Cheers!
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Well dang, books that helped me find Christ, Ok, Well there was about a dozen books I read on the Greek Gods, Several D+D Book, the Koran, The way of Tao, The Necronomicon, and the list could go on.

Now, I am sure you at first might thinking, "What the Heck?" how would those books help you, well, in truth, you might not, but, they give you a very good idea of what is out there, and what the world beyond our sight might be like.

And then you are left with a question, what God, what divine being, who had the power to make a Universe, and even craft life itself.. would have the audacity... to ask a mere Human to Impress them.

The answer, would be a false God.

And that is where Jesus comes in, Jesus came down and said "Let me Impress you" and that is how a God should deal with their creation.

And after a painful many years of looking at everyone else, the simplest answer was always sitting right in my lap. I was expected to impress or prove myself to a Divine Being, by every other Religion out there, but Jesus said:

"NO ! You can not Impress me, So I will accept you just as you are, and you are so precious to much to me, that I have found you worth dieing for"

Now, if any God was going to tell me they were real, it's going to be that God.

Ok raise the dead, heal the sick, blah, blah, blah, just some parlor tricks, and nice light shows, impresses the masses, and sounds all great, but it don't mean squat, because all the sick people he healed, and all the people he raised are all pushing up daises.

So, if that is your problem, about the water to wine that you never drank, then, that is a silly barrier, that was not the lasting Legacy of Jesus.

Jesus only left one thing, one true lasting Miracle on this Earth, for all the time he was here, and that was his Acceptance, his one great thing, was opening the door for you to have Eternal Life.

That's what Got me, you can read my Story in "No such thing as an Ex-Christian",

God Bless

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The miracles that Christ performed while on this planet, as well as the miracles that occur everyday through Christ's followers submitting to His will and Holy Spirit, in no way contradict the discoveries of modern science. We live in a 4-dimensional world. Imagine the power we would hold if we could interact with a being who existed in only two dimenions. We would be as gods to that being. Now imagine what God could do if existing with a capacity for COUNTLESS dimensions, and not just space dimensions but TIME dimensions. Simple things like transmuting matter and foretelling a linear future would seem like child's play. Scientists nowadays, both secular and non-secular scientists, all have come to the consensus that the universe required 11 separate dimensions to come into existence, so we know that God must at LEAST have the capacity to work in more than 11. But that in no way limits Him, personally I believe He has the power to create and manipulate the dimensions as He sees fit. Anways, sorry to babble, just some food for thought. I just can't understand the "if I can't see it, it can't be true" mentality. Seems like a really hopeless, pointless way of living out one's life.
 
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