What Laws?

[SabbathBlessings]

Throughout the Bible are commandments of God, all of which are relevant today. The book of Joshua gave a good summation:

Joshua 22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the Lord charged you, to love the Lord your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.​

Happy Sabbath Freth!

 

[Leaf473]

Throughout the Bible are commandments of God, all of which are relevant today. The book of Joshua gave a good summation:

Joshua 22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the Lord charged you, to love the Lord your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.​

I agree they are all relevant today. Most people say we don't keep them all.

So... Which ones do we keep? Many people are happy to talk about the theory, but not about details of the practice.

 

[Leaf473]

We we have been talking about laws with you well over a year. There are some foundational laws that if one cannot accept, there is only so much you can do. God has many laws, the Ten Commandments are foundational. God also has civil laws, ceremonial laws and health laws. We should follow all of these laws and the only law that has changed are the ceremonial laws (ordinances) that points to Christ since Jesus because our sacrifice for sin, so we no longer have food and blood sacrifices because we can go directly to Him for forgiveness of sins. Jesus is our High Priest now mediating on our behalf. The Ten Commandments still stand including the Sabbath. The Sabbath was given before sin and was part of God’s perfect plan. Genesis 2:1-3 The Sabbath is about spending time with God, not speaking our words or doing our ways but the ways of Christ Isaiah 58:13 as it is the holy day for God Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 and God commanded us to keep the same day holy Exodus 20:8 because it is communion time with God on the only day God blessed, sanctified and made holy. The first Sabbath was celebrated by man in the presence of God and the saints will soon celebrate the Sabbath in His presence when He comes again. Isaiah 66:23. The saints keep the commandments up until Jesus comes again Revelation 14:12, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 22:14-15 and the invitation to obey is open to all. God bless and Happy Sabbath.

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There are some foundational laws that if one cannot accept, there is only so much you can do.

Do you believe that one person's non acceptance of the law prevents another person from talking about the law?

Thank you for the wishes for a happy Sabbath.
May the Lord bless you and keep you!

 

[Leaf473]

I did give you a list a while back, we should not just be hearers of the law, but we are told to be doers. James 1:22, Romans 2:13, Revelation 22:14

I see that you edited your post.

Where is the list that you gave a while back?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

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Do you believe that one person's non acceptance of the law prevents another person from talking about the law?

Thank you for the wishes for a happy Sabbath.
May the Lord bless you and keep you!

I’m not sure what ### means.

We we have been talking about laws with you well over a year. I did give you a list a while back but you seem to forget and you usually don’t agree with the scriptures I share or seem to think it means something different than what it states.

We are told not to be just hearers, but be doers. James 1:22, Romans 2:13, Revelation 22:14

I don’t think one initially needs to accept the law in order to talk about it, but after discussed in length and have not come to an agreement, there is a point when you just need to agree to disagree.

 

[Leaf473]

I’m not sure what ### means.

We we have been talking about laws with you well over a year. I did give you a list a while back but you seem to forget and you usually don’t agree with the scriptures I share or seem to think it means something different than what it states.

We are told not to be just hearers, but be doers. James 1:22, Romans 2:13, Revelation 22:14

I don’t think one initially needs to accept the law in order to talk about it, but after discussed in length and have not come to an agreement, there is a point when you just need to agree to disagree.

The hashtags (########) is just a way of separating the full quote from a partial quote.

The list that you gave a while back, was it on the "clarifying the debate..." thread? I think I can find it.

My impression was that you didn't confirm that it was a complete list.

My impression is that we haven't discussed the law at length. We have discussed the ten commandments at length, yes. I don't think we have discussed the other laws in detail.

 

[Freth]

We live after Christ and we are Christians.

God the Father and Jesus the Son.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us [God and the Son] make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.​

1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

• One God:
  • God the Father, of whom.
    
  • Jesus Christ the Son, by whom.

ESV says from whom (God), through whom (Jesus)

1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
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Jesus, the Creator. Nothing exists without Him, which includes every thing visible and invisible.

Colossians 1:16-20 For by him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his [Jesus] cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
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Jesus told us to do the will of the Father, because He Himself was doing the will of the Father.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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All things are delivered to Jesus through the Father.

Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
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Conclusion:

• Both God the Father and Jesus the Son are one, and are in total agreement.
• Jesus does the will of the Father.
• God the Father, and Jesus the Son created all things, which was the will of the Father.
• Jesus gave the commandments of God to man, which was the will of the Father.
• Jesus came in the flesh and taught the will of the Father; His commandments.
• Living after Christ is living by the example He set, which is of the Father.
• There is no separation between God the Father and Jesus the Son, they are of one will, of one mind, of one law.

 

[DamianWarS]

It appears you only want to ask me questions and never answer any of mine or even try to address the scripture that was shared with you.

If you can’t accept the Ten Commandments, what’s the point about talking about the other laws? Yes, there are other laws, but I believe unless you understand the significance of the Ten Commandments, you will not understand the other laws because it is foundational. You seem to not see the significance of God personally writing His laws for us, I do. The scriptures been shared and we will have to agree to disagree. God bless.

Your scripture is non-specifc and could be used for many positions. I keep the commandments of God too, they are also written on my heart and I look to those same verse to define them yet we come to different conclusions. This is why we need to look at it critically and not just parrot traditions.

Becuase I'm not invested in your position as you are should not be a reason to refuse to be transparent about it and it suggests these other laws makes less sense as to why you keep them but not others. Faith is not a fan club that you keep away from those who disagree if it is you're just making an echo chamber.

The more you keep hidden the weaker your position presents and lacks confidence. If you want to speak to someone who cheers your position then you should go to your own denomination forum where everyone can thumbs up and agree with you.

 

[Leaf473]

I did give you a list a while back but you seem to forget and you usually don’t agree with the scriptures I share or seem to think it means something different than what it states.

Is this the list you're referring to?

Thanks

Your list, then, is:

The Ten Commandments

Eat only clean foods

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might.

You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Lev 27:30 All the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the trees, is the Lord’s. It is holy to the Lord.

Lev. 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd or the flock, of whatever passes under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the Lord.

Is the list complete? That is, do you say that is this a complete list of all of God's eternal laws from Genesis to Deuteronomy?

Edit: I forgot to include Leviticus 27:30

 

[Freth]

Happy Sabbath Freth!

Happy Sabbath!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Your scripture is non-specifc and could be used for many positions. I keep the commandments of God too, they are also written on my heart and I look to those same verse to define them yet we come to different conclusions. This is why we need to look at it critically and not just parrot traditions.

Becuase I'm not invested in your position as you are should not be a reason to refuse to be transparent about it and it suggests these other laws makes less sense as to why you keep them but not others. Faith is not a fan club that you keep away from those who disagree if it is you're just making an echo chamber.

The more you keep hidden the weaker your position presents and lacks confidence. If you want to speak to someone who cheers your position then you should go to your own denomination forum where everyone can thumbs up and agree with y.

Like I said previously, its difficult to reason with someones opinions over the scriptures. I am going to let the scriptures I posted in this thread speak for itself and hopefully it will bless those who are reading.

I’m signing off for now.

God bless all!

 

[HIM]

You still are not looking this critically and for some reason refuse to tell me what other laws are meant to be kept, yet get quite defensive if I suggest you keep only the 10 yet that's the only thing you'll mention. You accept an unknown group of laws (that includes the 10) and reject others while pointing to verses that you claim afirm your group of laws despite them being unspecific. Do you realise I can use the exact same verses but claim they are in support of my view? What makes your claim better? (Please don't say because the finger of God wrote them)

And yet you have yet to post anything that deals with the premise of the op as shared in the text given from Deuteronomy 29:1 And Deut. 30:10-15 and how they parallel those found in Romans 10:6-8. And how Rom. 10:8 is a another way of saying Heb 8:10 which is the New covenant. Which according to Deut. 29:1 has been available since the time Israel was to enter into the promise land. Sadly though it is spoken of as new in Jeremiah 31:31 and Hebrews 8:10 because of our stiff necks and hard hearts.

 

[trophy33]

God the Father and Jesus the Son.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us [God and the Son] make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.​

1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

• One God:
  • God the Father, of whom.
    
  • Jesus Christ the Son, by whom.

ESV says from whom (God), through whom (Jesus)

1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
​

Jesus, the Creator. Nothing exists without Him, which includes every thing visible and invisible.

Colossians 1:16-20 For by him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his [Jesus] cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
​

Jesus told us to do the will of the Father, because He Himself was doing the will of the Father.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
​

All things are delivered to Jesus through the Father.

Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
​

Conclusion:

• Both God the Father and Jesus the Son are one, and are in total agreement.
• Jesus does the will of the Father.
• God the Father, and Jesus the Son created all things, which was the will of the Father.
• Jesus gave the commandments of God to man, which was the will of the Father.
• Jesus came in the flesh and taught the will of the Father; His commandments.
• Living after Christ is living by the example He set, which is of the Father.
• There is no separation between God the Father and Jesus the Son, they are of one will, of one mind, of one law.

Jesus established a new covenant with his disciples - Lk 22:20.

Thats the covenant for Christians. We must understand what was written for what time period and to whom.