What Laws?

[SabbathBlessings]

If We have love in our hearts we don't need the 101 ten commandments written on stones. Having love in our hearts gives us a doctorate degree on what is sin, not just nine ways.

The other commandment give only to the now defunct Israel has nothing to do with anyone today. When Israel lost the covenant agreement with God, the words of that covenant ended too. "My commandments" found in the new covenant refer to the Royal Law of Love. Jn15:9-14, James2:8, 1Jn3:19-24.

According to James:
James 2: 8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. You find the "He said" in Exodus 20 and breaking one of these commandments is like breaking them all. The commandments James is referring to came in a set of Ten all written by the finger of God. Exodus 34:28

Also there are only 10 commandments written on stone according to God, Exodus 34:28 not 101, which is written in the heart and mind in the New Covenant. Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:34. For this IS the love of God, that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3, which is exactly what God told us in the Ten Commandments. Exodus 20:6.

 

[DamianWarS]

Why did God place only the Ten Commandments inside the ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy of His Temple, which is also revealed in Heaven Revelation 11:19 and not the others ? Why did God only write the Ten Commandments with His own finger and not all of the laws? I think you might want to take your argument up with the Author of the Ten Commandments.

The 10 are explicitly called the "two tablets of covenant law" they are put in the ark because they are the physical stand in for the entire covenant law.

But thia is not a reason of purpose it's a reason of bias. The 10 commandments on stone, written by the finger of God, put in the ark all show a bias towards the tablets but not a purpose when we use these reasons to extend it beyond the covenant agreement.

Please quote me saying this, I think the problem with our communications is you keep quoting yourself and not me and than seem to think I am the one saying it. God wrote all of His laws in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant - how clear is that? Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33. In the New Covenant it spells out what changed. Do you think we are to have animal and food offerings for forgiveness of sins in the New Covenant? If so why or why not? Do we still go to the Levitical priest in the New Covenant or is Jesus our High Priest now in the New Covenant? If so, why or why not? Is circumcision still a requirement in the New Covenant. Why or why not. Scripture please.

This goes back to critically address this. If all the laws are on our hearts this includes circumcision and many others we don't value in the physical. I can't make sense what you mean when you say "all the laws" because it seems you have a select list that you won't address with the exception of the 10 commandments. But if it is Infact all then why is the practice of the some laws not followed but are required for others?

This is what it always comes down to, not the other 9 commandments of the Ten, just the Sabbath commandment, the one that requires our time, the one where God told us to “Remember” so forgetting to keep it is not an option for me. Why do you single out the Sabbath commandment, God wrote Ten Commandments with His own finger, not nine. Exodus 34:28 Exodus 20. Where do you see circumcision in with the Ten Commandments? Exodus 20 why are you trying to make those the same set of laws when God did not? How clear does Paul make it when it comes to circumcision over the commandments of God which of course includes the 4th commandment?

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

It appears your argument is with the scripture and not me. Take care.

The only laws you seem willing to address here is the 10 commandments but you've said it goes beyond that. What are the other laws that make this list? You continue to quote verses saying "commandments of God" to conflate it with this arbitrary list of laws that go beyond the 10 but you won't let us know the rest. So what are "all the laws"

The 10 commandments are not written for you, they are "the two tablets of covenant law", not the two tablets that go beyond the covenant law. If you claim them then you claim your under the covenant with it, they go hand and hand. I signal out the 4th because the Sabbath is so much bigger than the law in painfully obvious ways and it mirrors circumcision in many ways. I also know versions of it are kept but I doubt anyone can keep it according to the law and certainly not to where the law is point which is down to our very breath and beating heart as work. I can think of only one who kept this on the Sabbath and resurrected the next day.

The 4th is in remembrance of the 7th day so it is the 7th day we should be looking to as the source and not define the 7th day by the 4th which is a backward focus. This is all scripture I shouldn't have to quote it for you to know that.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The 10 are explicitly called the "two tablets of covenant law" they are put in the ark because they are the physical stand in for the entire covenant law.

But thia is not a reason of purpose it's a reason of bias. The 10 commandments on stone, written by the finger of God, put in the ark all show a bias towards the tablets but not a purpose when we use these reasons to extend it beyond the covenant agreement.



This goes back to critically address this. If all the laws are on our hearts this includes circumcision and many others we don't value in the physical. I can't make sense what you mean when you say "all the laws" because it seems you have a select list that you won't address with the exception of the 10 commandments. But if it is Infact all then why is the practice of the some laws not followed but are required for others?




The only laws you seem willing to address here is the 10 commandments but you've said it goes beyond that. What are the other laws that make this list? You continue to quote verses saying "commandments of God" to conflate it with this arbitrary list of laws that go beyond the 10 but you won't let us know the rest. So what are "all the laws"

The 10 commandments are not written for you, they are "the two tablets of covenant law", not the two tablets that go beyond the covenant law. If you claim them then you claim your under the covenant with it, they go hand and hand. I signal out the 4th because the Sabbath is so much bigger than the law in painfully obvious ways and it mirrors circumcision in many ways. I also know versions of it are kept but I doubt anyone can keep it according to the law and certainly not to where the law is point which is down to our very breath and beating heart as work. I can think of only one who kept this on the Sabbath and resurrected the next day.

The 4th is in remembrance of the 7th day so it is the 7th day we should be looking to as the source and not define the 7th day by the 4th which is a backward focus. This is all scripture I shouldn't have to quote it for you to know that.

I see a lot of opinions in your post that is not backed by scripture. You can never reason with someone who argues opinions over scripture. For example this statement:

The 10 are explicitly called the "two tablets of covenant law" they are put in the ark because they are the physical stand in for the entire covenant law.

Well that's not true, because the "law of Moses" written by Moses was placed on the side of the ark, not inside like the Ten Commandments. These are different laws that serves different purposes, which I am happy to back up with scripture. Not all laws are the same which many try to conflate them into all being the same, but God did not, He made a distinction between the laws.

I posted scripture in all of my posts; you have not responded to those scriptures from a bible perspective but from a personal one. We will have to agree to disagree and I will let my posts stand with the scriptures I provided. Take care.

 

[Bob S]

Not according to James:
James 2: 8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. You find the "He said" in Exodus 20 and breaking one of these commandments is like breaking them all. The commandments James is referring to came in a set of Ten all written by the finger of God. Exodus 34:28

Sorry SB, James was referring to all of the Law. If you believe you must keep the Israelite only Sabbath then you are dealing with a command that was given as part of the old covenant Law, thus you are under the Law and subject to all its rules. By the way SB, do you ever think your own thoughts on what you believe to be your holy day? Do you ever speak your own words on that day? Do you do your own pleasures on that day? If you do you have become a transgressor of the law. I, on the other hand do not need to worry because i know that the ritual Sabbath command has nothing to do with loving others as Jesus loves us. That is the command Jesus gave us to live by. Simple isn't it?

Also there are only 10 commandments written on stone according to God,

I am glad you recognize that fact. Yet there are many, many ways we can do harm to ourselves and our fellow man. The ten didn't ask the Israelites to love their neighbor, in fact none of them say anything about love the greatest commandment. Why would I want to use the ten as my guide as how to treat God and my fellow man?

Exodus 34:28 not 101, which is written in the heart and mind in the New Covenant. Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:34. For this IS the love of God, that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3, which is exactly what God told us in the Ten Commandments. Exodus 20:6.

Yes, we are to keep His, Jesus commandments to love. He never ever asked us to keep any day.

 

[trophy33]

God has said, a new covenant he has made with us. He says, He will put His laws in our hearts and in our minds.

Now God is faithful. He did not leave us to our own surmising in regards To this seriously important topic.

You see in Deuteronomy 29:1 a second covenant was given prior to Israel entering into the promise land mirroring or being the second covenant given to God’s people prior to us entering into the promise land; the new heaven and new earth.

For God has said, He will circumcise our hearts to love Him with all hearts. The circumcision made without hands in the the putting off the body, the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ. For His word, His Commandments and statutes which are written in the book of the law our nigh thee. In thy mouth and in thy heart that ye may do it. That is the word of Faith in which we preach. For Christ through which the word, His commandments and statutes which are written in the book of the law are in our hearts, minds and mouths is the end of the Law on parchment and tables of stone for righteousness for all them whom believe. For we are dead nevertheless we live yet not us but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh, we live by the FAITH OF the Son of God whom gave himself for us. For he that has been baptized into Christ has put on Christ, that the body of sin be destroyed. That the righteousness of God be fulfilled In us. Who walk after the spirit, Christ and not after the flesh. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

Deuteronomy 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.

Deuteronomy 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Deuteronomy 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deuteronomy 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deuteronomy 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deuteronomy 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deuteronomy 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Deuteronomy 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
Romans 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

When Christians say that we live in the New Covenant, they mean this one:
"In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you."
Lk 22:20

Not the one from Dt 29:1.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sorry SB, James was referring to all of the Law. If you believe you must keep the Israelite only Sabbath then you are dealing with a command that was given as part of the old covenant Law, thus you are under the Law and subject to all its rules. By the way SB, do you ever think your own thoughts on what you believe to be your holy day? Do you ever speak your own words on that day? Do you do your own pleasures on that day? If you do you have become a transgressor of the law. I, on the other hand do not need to worry because i know that the ritual Sabbath command has nothing to do with loving others as Jesus loves us. That is the command Jesus gave us to live by. Simple isn't it?


I am glad you recognize that fact. Yet there are many, many ways we can do harm to ourselves and our fellow man. The ten didn't ask the Israelites to love their neighbor, in fact none of them say anything about love the greatest commandment. Why would I want to use the ten as my guide as how to treat God and my fellow man?


Yes, we are to keep His, Jesus commandments to love. He never ever asked us to keep any day.

All the law includes the Sabbath, which is not a ritual but a commandment according to God written with His own finger. Exodus 34:28, Exodus 20:8-11 which God said is specific to a day. Exodus 20:10 and it is a commandment, not given as optional.

You will need to take your argument up with the Higher Authority.

Take care.

 

[Leaf473]

Yes, Jesus taught we should keep the Ten Commandments much like what most the Sabbath keepers here post about, because the Ten Commandments are on a whole different foundation written personally by our Creator and Savior!

In the passage you quoted Jesus teaches more than the ten commandments.

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” quoted directly from the Ten Commandments and the greatest commandments from the law of Moses on how we are to love our neighbor.

He's able to give a list, and I think that's so cool!

"Check it out, he does all things well," as it is written in the scriptures.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

In the passage you quoted Jesus teaches more than the ten commandments.


He's able to give a list, and I think that's so cool!

"Check it out, he does all things well," as it is written in the scriptures.

I don't think I have ever said Jesus only taught the Ten Commandments. I quoted one of the greatest commandments in my post which you quoted so obviously Jesus taught more than the Ten Commandments, but He did teach them as they are to be kept It is impossible to love Jesus with all our heart (the greatest commandment) by breaking the Ten Commandments. Same with loving your neighbor.

 

[Leaf473]

as I previously mentioned if you value more than the 10 it still is the same point. why are some valued and others not? That's the logic problem and why its not being critically addressed. You are discriminating the law yet use verses that say to not discriminate the law in support of your position, that's the logic problem.



God's law written in our hearts and mind is still the same problem. why is it some laws make it to the heart and others don't? you're still not critically addressing this.

"some changes" in the New Covenant that you seem to have separated into sacrificial but then that doesn't work with circumcision so you have a special condition for that one and call it a symbol freely replacing it with another practice. so what about the laws the NT doesn't mention like mixing grains, trimming beards and mixing threads? what area do they fall under? Do you keep those or do you write them off? if the latter why? what is your motivation behind what you keep and what you don't? You seem to still fall back on saying "If you love Me keep My commandments" and then remind me that includes the 10 commandments. What else does it include? what's your criteria for including these unknown number of laws?

if laws like circumcision have a greater symbolic meaning then what about the sabbath? does it not have a deeper meaning as well? So why is it physical circumcision falls out of practice in favour of the symbolic and Sabbath stays in practice? Are not both signs of their covenants? are not both everlasting commandments? why is one valued in the physical but the other not? This goes back to not critically engaging this question and reverting to a "because God says so" sentiment.

I was exchanging posts with another "Sabbath keeper" here on CF
(they haven't posted recently).
They took a similar approach to both circumcision and the commandment about tassels on the edges of your clothes.

They said that circumcision wasn't needed because it was an outward sign of an inward change. And the same thinking applied to the tassels.

That's all well and good, but it seems like that thinking could be applied to most everything in the law of Moses.

 

[Leaf473]

I don't think I ever said that Jesus only taught the Ten Commandments. I quoted one of the greatest commandments in my post which you quoted so obviously Jesus taught more than the Ten Commandments, but He did teach them as they are to be kept It is impossible to love Jesus with all our heart (the greatest commandment) by breaking the Ten Commandments. Same with loving your neighbor.

Okay, you're off to a good start!

We've got 11 so far. Would you like to add 3 more?

Peace be with you all!

 

[DamianWarS]

I see a lot of opinions in your post that is not backed by scripture. You can never reason with someone who argues opinions over scripture. For example this statement:


Well that's not true, because the "law of Moses" written by Moses was placed on the side of the ark, not inside like the Ten Commandments. These are different laws that serves different purposes, which I am happy to back up with scripture. Not all laws are the same which many try to conflate them into all being the same, but God did not, He made a distinction between the laws.

I posted scripture in all of my posts; you have not responded to those scriptures from a bible perspective but from a personal one. We will have to agree to disagree and I will let my posts stand with the scriptures I provided. Take care.

Exodus 31:18 When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

they are the tablets of what? universal law? moral law? forever law? no... none of that. they are the two tablets of the covenant law. which covenant? the covenant formed on Mount Sinai between God and Israel and commonly referred to as the old covenant. And where were the tablets placed? they were placed inside the ark of the covenant. So the tablets of the covenant law are placed in the ark of the covenant, yet you seem to think this means they transcend the covenant and are not confined to them, despite their explicit language. The tablets may be a symbol for the entire law or they may be explicit to their commandments alone but it is inescapable they are the two tablets of the covenant law that are placed in the ark of the covenant. When we subscribe to the 10 commandments we subscribe to the covenant they are made for.

justification to have the 10 commandments carry on to the next covenant because they are placed in the ark does not show us the purpose it just shows us the value in that covenant. so suggesting it means it goes beyond the covenant would also mean the physical ark has continued value itself and all the items in the ark. The Ark and the tablets have an explicit purpose in their covenant but push them beyond that and they lose their purpose in the physical sense and that's what you're argument is missing. If you just look at the high value they had in the old covenant and use that as your reason this is not purpose it is a bias.

I'm still interested what are the other laws outside the 10 commandments that you continue to value? and why aren't these laws placed in the ark or what justification do you have with these laws that carried them forward?

 

[FullMoon]

1Jn5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Ro8:1-3
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Keeping his commandments is made easy as we are led by his Spirit (becomes natural to keep).

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Exodus 31:18 When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

they are the tablets of what? universal law? moral law? forever law? no... none of that. they are the two tablets of the covenant law. which covenant? the covenant formed on Mount Sinai between God and Israel and commonly referred to as the old covenant. And where were the tablets placed? they were placed inside the ark of the covenant. So the tablets of the covenant law are placed in the ark of the covenant, yet you seem to think this means they transcend the covenant and are not confined to them, despite their explicit language. The tablets may be a symbol for the entire law or they may be explicit to their commandments alone but it is inescapable they are the two tablets of the covenant law that are placed in the ark of the covenant. When we subscribe to the 10 commandments we subscribe to the covenant they are made for.

justification to have the 10 commandments carry on to the next covenant because they are placed in the ark does not show us the purpose it just shows us the value in that covenant. so suggesting it means it goes beyond the covenant would also mean the physical ark has continued value itself and all the items in the ark. The Ark and the tablets have an explicit purpose in their covenant but push them beyond that and they lose their purpose in the physical sense and that's what you're argument is missing. If you just look at the high value they had in the old covenant and use that as your reason this is not purpose it is a bias.

I'm still interested what are the other laws outside the 10 commandments that you continue to value? and why aren't these laws placed in the ark or what justification do you have with these laws that carried them forward?

I take it you don’t think the New Covenant applies to you either Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

1 John 3:4 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

Matthew 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’

God only kept the Ten Commandments that He personally wrote with His Finger in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple where God dwells and is also revealed in Heaven. Revelation 11:19. If you don’t see or understand the significance of this, nothing I can say will change your mind. Yes, there are other laws, but God made a distinction with the Ten Commandments.

Sad so many people think they can freely do these things and its not sin despite clear scripture.

Exodus 20

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that isin the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In ityou shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lordblessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

 

[DamianWarS]

I take it you don’t think the New Covenant applies to you either Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

1 John 3:4 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

Matthew 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’

God only kept the Ten Commandments that He personally wrote with His Finger in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple where God dwells and is also revealed in Heaven. Revelation 11:19. If you don’t see or understand the significance of this, nothing I can say will change your mind.

Sad so many people think they can freely do these things and its not sin despite clear scripture.

Exodus 20

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that isin the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In ityou shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lordblessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

You still are not looking this critically and for some reason refuse to tell me what other laws are meant to be kept, yet get quite defensive if I suggest you keep only the 10 yet that's the only thing you'll mention. You accept an unknown group of laws (that includes the 10) and reject others while pointing to verses that you claim afirm your group of laws despite them being unspecific. Do you realise I can use the exact same verses but claim they are in support of my view? What makes your claim better? (Please don't say because the finger of God wrote them)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You still are not looking this critically and for some reason refuse to tell me what other laws are meant to be kept, yet get quite defensive if I suggest you keep only the 10 yet that's the only thing you'll mention. You accept an unknown group of laws (that includes the 10) and reject others while pointing to verses that you claim afirm your group of laws despite them being unspecific. Do you realise I can use the exact same verses but claim they are in support of my view? What makes your claim better? (Please don't say because the finger of God wrote them)

It appears you only want to ask me questions and never answer any of mine or even try to address the scripture that was shared with you.

If you can’t accept the Ten Commandments, what’s the point about talking about the other laws? Yes, there are other laws, but I believe unless you understand the significance of the Ten Commandments, you will not understand the other laws because it is foundational. You seem to not see the significance of God personally writing His laws for us, I do. The scriptures been shared and we will have to agree to disagree. God bless.

 

[Leaf473]

1Jn5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Ro8:1-3
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Keeping his commandments is made easy as we are led by his Spirit (becomes natural to keep).

Hi FullMoon,

Welcome to CF!

Would you like to talk more about which commandments we keep if we love God?

 

[Leaf473]

In answer to a question above, I think it's a good idea to talk about laws in addition to the 10 because there's a commandment about it.

From Deuteronomy,
These words, which I command you today, shall be on your heart; and you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise up.

There is wisdom in the law!

 

[Freth]

Throughout the Bible are commandments of God, all of which are relevant today. The book of Joshua gave a good summation:

Joshua 22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the Lord charged you, to love the Lord your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.​

 

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Throughout the Bible are commandments of God, all of which are relevant today. The book of Joshua gave a good summation:

Joshua 22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the Lord charged you, to love the Lord your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.​

We live after Christ and we are Christians.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

In answer to a question above, I think it's a good idea to talk about laws in addition to the 10 because there's a commandment about it.

From Deuteronomy,
These words, which I command you today, shall be on your heart; and you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise up.

There is wisdom in the law!

We we have been talking about laws with you well over a year. I did give you a list a while back, we should not just be hearers of the law, but we are told to be doers. James 1:22, Romans 2:13, Revelation 22:14 There are some foundational laws that if one cannot accept, there is only so much you can do. God has many laws, the Ten Commandments are foundational. God also has civil laws, ceremonial laws and health laws. We should follow all of these laws and the only law that has changed are the ceremonial laws (ordinances) that points to Christ since Jesus because our sacrifice for sin, so we no longer have food and blood sacrifices because we can go directly to Him for forgiveness of sins. Jesus is our High Priest now mediating on our behalf. The Ten Commandments still stand including the Sabbath. The Sabbath was given before sin and was part of God’s perfect plan. Genesis 2:1-3 The Sabbath is about spending time with God, not speaking our words or doing our ways but the ways of Christ Isaiah 58:13 as it is the holy day for God Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 and God commanded us to keep the same day holy Exodus 20:8 because it is communion time with God on the only day God blessed, sanctified and made holy. The first Sabbath was celebrated by man in the presence of God and the saints will soon celebrate the Sabbath in His presence when He comes again. Isaiah 66:23. The saints keep the commandments up until Jesus comes again Revelation 14:12, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 22:14-15 and the invitation to obey is open to all. God bless and Happy Sabbath.