what Law did Jesus replace?

[NatalieJan777]

Did you not know?

In Revelation 1 it is said the voice sounded like a trumpet .

so perhaps the last trump "with the voice of an archangel" is really Jesus crying out .

It has taken me many attempts to try to understand all of Revelations, and I will never claim to know it all. It goes back and forth among the events so often it is humanly impossible to totally understand it all. Not that I can in anyway draw a conclusion for anyone else, I can only draw my own conclusions and this is what I've drawn:

It is impossible for us to have the full knowledge of GOD and the events that will take place in the end and in what order in which they will take place. It can only bring strife and argument, so I can only assume to know what is said, and assume that no one else has full knowledge either.

Mark 13:32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

What we are left with is only the drawing of conclusions, all truth is sealed up until it is revealed in real-time events.

 

[Zeena]

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It has taken me many attempts to try to understand all of Revelations, and I will never claim to know it all. It goes back and forth among the events so often it is humanly impossible to totally understand it all. Not that I can in anyway draw a conclusion for anyone else, I can only draw my own conclusions and this is what I've drawn:

It is impossible for us to have the full knowledge of GOD and the events that will take place in the end and in what order in which they will take place. It can only bring strife and argument, so I can only assume to know what is said, and assume that no one else has full knowledge either.

Mark 13:32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

What we are left with is only the drawing of conclusions, all truth is sealed up until it is revealed in real-time events.

I agree .

the reason for my response: since trumpets were being mentioned . it was merely a point of interest i was sharing .

bless .

 

[gideon army]

That's nearly 40 minutes of television!-LOL!
The only reason I posted that [four MINUTE] 'sermon' is to show you that I am in no way heaping condemnation on the Saints.

I'm not implying the Saints should ask GOD for forgiveness (though if you sin against a person it IS warranted, at LEAST for their sakes). For forgiveness is already received in Christ.

As you can see, I'm not trying to speak with you through another man-lol

Hi Zeena,

Had no choice but to have sermon attached as it's too full a revelation to condensed via post.

If you term believers as 'Saints' then you'll know that Saints are HOLY/ BLAMELESS & Righteous hence Word of Christo says that I am in HIM are Blameless/ Righteous & Holy, then wouldn't i make a Mockery of HIS finished works if I keep harping on my faults? Food for thought

What you're saying is self contridictory/ Oxymoron as per above Zeena, on 1 hand you're saying believers are Saints then on the other, they need to confess their sins- wow . As for me, I Thank Daddy GOD that HE has RIGHTEOUSLY Judged all my mess on the Body/Cross of His only Beloved Son Jesus Christ & had Christ Reaped the Whirlwind for the Wind I keep sowing (This is where Romans 8:1 there is therefore NO Condemnation for those who are in Christ- comes into effect in my life as am DESTINED to REIGN in This LIfe on This Earth as the Beloved son of the Most High Living GOD . Actually am already Reigining now in terms of Relationshsips/ Health/ Financially & do you not know that Blessings rest on the Head of the Righteous together with Blessings Hunting me down every which way & turn for I HONOR the Eternal Perfect Work on the Cross by Christ)

Yo Sister Zeena, you're free to believe whatever you want to & am not here to impose on you-however am hopping you'll see the FINISHED works of our LORD with nothing more to add to HIS via your own self efforts- it's also touched upon in the attached Youtube video

Lastly, whatever that's preached to you for what you believe, make sure you check if there's Power of GOD in your Life in every areas of your Life

P.S. Many Testimonials are coming forth on the Power of GOD Manifested in their lives fm Africa/ Europe/ America/ Asia / Aust ranging fm Marraige/ Sickness-Diseases healed/ Finances Exploded/ Position Obtained instead of Jobs & much more just from Believing RIGHT & not doing right for believing RIGHT will produce the FRUITS of the Spirit in good works but doing right on self efforts will products DEAD Works.

Just thought of Blessing you with the Power of Christ Full Grace via those Sermons & if it's too long for you, my apologies for People all over Europe traveled & Q for hrs just to attend Pastor Joseph Prince Sermons & like I've said, he preaches to Pastors/Leaders at packed Stadiums & Auditorum with over flow- compare that with the sermons Paul preached in acts where the whole town came out to hear him

 

[Zeena]

*snip*

So, in a nutsehll, you are saying you are incapable of sinning?

Galations 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

You are CONSTANTLY walking by the Power of God?

I highly doubt that.. Even Elihja was afraid of Jezabel.. :o

 

[Galatians 2:21]

So, in a nutsehll, you are saying you are incapable of sinning?

Galations 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

You are CONSTANTLY walking by the Power of God?

I highly doubt that.. Even Elihja was afraid of Jezabel.. :o

I agree with Zeena. Even the most mature Christian will be caught off gaurd at some point and listen to the sinful nature. Even though I show signs of spiritual maturity, I feel the power of the sinful nature manipulating my thoughts occasionally. I will gladly admit that I am a sinner, because I know that the source of the sin is my sinful nature, and not my spirit. We become separated from the sinful nature when we die, and until then, we will suffer from the influence of the flesh.

 

[Light hearted]

what is grace? is it not the blood of Jesus. if so, then what did Jesus blood replace?
who remitted out sins? Jesus,
so if we sin after we know the truth will he offer his blood again?
what sins are those? the ones that you committed before you confessed and came into the knowledge of the truth?
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
you say you are born again, so you admit you know the truth, do you still sin since you know the truth? have you wilfully sinned against God since knowing the truth? if so, shall Jesus die for you sins again.
Paul speaks of remission of past sins.
Jesus is the Hope, Jesus blood is grace, Jesus word sanctify us
all this is written

People don't understand sin.

are you a Jew? what about the other 11 tribes, Hebrews cover more than Jews, the audience is whoever read Hebrews and the entire bible.
Paul is teaching them that animal sacrifice is over with and the Blood of Jesus has replaced it!

so Jesus blood Grace is what replaced animal sacrifice?

I did mention grace? I just did not use the word grace.

Go back and read the topic

what law did Jesus replace?

Jesus replaced the animal sacrifice with what? His blood!

its called understanding!

that sacrifice is Jesus blood which is grace.
so since you admitted again that you can sin what law did Jesus not replaced? and you admitted that the past sins are forgiven because you said that you can still sin.
the people don't understand the wrongful side of sin and no more sacrifice of sin what make you think they would understand the joyful side?
people don't understand that they can wilfully sin? people don't understand that when they sin the Lord cannot die for their present and future sins, if Jesus cannot do this is their more sacrifices for sins?
NO!
because it is written.

Jesus cannot come and die for our sins again so what side does it show up on?

What is Grace? Grace is unmerited favor, it is being in God's favor yet you did not work for it. Had you worked for it, you would have earned it such as like a paycheck. In the law it was considered "works" merited favor. Problem was, works did not turn peoples heart toward God. Being that Grace is unmerited, we cannot boast of ourselves, we only boast of the Lord, Jesus and the work that he did.

You do counterdict yourself through the posts, here and other threads, you say that Grace was upon the earth in Noah's time, yet above you state that Jesus blood is Grace. Jesus's blood was not spilled out til New Testament times.

Can you explain the Grace that was granted to Noah in his time?

Jesus blood is eternal, I didn't see it, yet I believe it. Remember I wrote in an earlier post. That which is seen is temporal, that which is not seen is eternal. Surely your next comment will be for those of whom where there the day Jesus did spill his blood. Consider doubting Thomas, he wanted to see to believe, and he did see and he believed. Jesus then says, blessed are those who have "not" seen and yet believed. So since I believe Jesus spilled His blood for my sins, and I did not see it, it is eternal, my cleansing is eternal.

Romans 3 Does say for past sins. These obviously are for the sins commited before being born again in the Spirit. You have mentioned this, you are correct. Where animals had to be sacrificed year after year, Jesus sacrifice was once and for all.

Let's ask this, after one has been born again in the Spirit, and one does sin again willingly, is there a way to reconcile with God?

If so what would the action be to do so?

I've read your accusations of "people don't understand sin". You could not be more incorrect. I say this firmly, yet with love.

Ok, here goes. In order to be born again in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit stirs our heart, for me it was a never ending hunger. Not for food, it was deeper, it was Spiritual. Finally God send a neighbor and another friend who spoke of God. Before this time, I had abolutly nothing to do with God, nothing, and I mean nothing. After hearing testamonies I learned what the hunger was. It was the Holy Spirit knocking.

Oh my God (literally), it is the one true God, calling me, wow.

Go to Romans 10, What did I have to confess...the fact that my sins have kept me apart from God. I had to know what sin was and confess it right to God's face. Did you read that, God found my confession true, for he knows the heart. My confession wasn't man approved, it was God approved.

Don't tell a born again person that they don't understand sin, we have a God approved knowledge of sin that we will stand beyond any accusation you may say.

I'm sorry the statements above seem harsh, I just didn't want to be mistaken.

You harp on the topic of "Jesus replacing the law of animal sacrifice". No one here this denied this statement.

Now I ask a question concerning the sacrifice. Were there other laws or procedures that changed when Jesus changed the law of sacrifice?

Jesus did not come to remove sin from the world. Jesus came to remove sin from those who believe in him, and have been indwelled with the Holy Spirit.

Sin in the world will continue, I do not understand where you got the idea that sin in the world is removed. We who are rightious are the good crops that live with the weeds. We must endure to the end, Jesus gives us the strenth to do so. Jesus is our strength, once again, not that we may boast of ourselves, but in Jesus who saved us.

 

[gideon army]

So, in a nutsehll, you are saying you are incapable of sinning?

Nope, like apostle paul- i am saying that i am the greatest sinner but Christ is the GREATEST Savior hence I've a GREAT Estimation of Christ Perfect Finished Work on that Cross + the Greatest TRUTH that Christ has Successsfully PUT away all my sins (past/ Present/ Future) for which there's no longer any imputation of sins even when i've missed the mark

I kept asking all readers to check if GOD ever rebuke Abraham/ Isaac/ Jacob or the Children of Israel before Mount Sinai for all the MUCK ups they did or did the Holy Spirit recorded them 'CONFESSING' their SINS

What they had then was purely GRACE but what Christ did on that Cross brought me back to MUCH MORE then what they had

You are CONSTANTLY walking by the Power of God?

Yo Zeena, believe I've displayed great Respect & extreme Courtesy for all your posts by reading slowly & carefully yes? then believe you missed the following in answer to your above question?

I Thank Daddy GOD that HE has RIGHTEOUSLY Judged all my mess on the Body/Cross of His only Beloved Son Jesus Christ & had Christ Reaped the Whirlwind for the Wind I keep sowing (This is where Romans 8:1 there is therefore NO Condemnation for those who are in Christ- comes into effect in my life as am DESTINED to REIGN in This LIfe on This Earth as the Beloved son of the Most High Living GOD . Actually am already Reigining now in terms of Relationshsips/ Health/ Financially & do you not know that Blessings rest on the Head of the Righteous together with Blessings Hunting me down every which way & turn for I HONOR the Eternal Perfect Work on the Cross by Christ)

Then to answer you fully on the following:-

You are CONSTANTLY walking by the Power of God?

I highly doubt that.. Even Elihja was afraid of Jezabel.. :o

Yes Resolutely YES, why & How? Simply because Elijah didn't have Christ in HIM, i have More then that, i know how to rightly divide the word of Christo hence the Manifestation of HIS Glory in my life is evident to all that knows me from the past acting as a contrast to the me now without me tryiny-it's effortless

GOD the Daddy & Christ my GOD wants all the GLORY hence they have to do all the work in me for me with me RESTING HARD onto my LORD Christ Jesus

 

[Zeena]

I did not ask if you gave in to the desires of your flesh, I asked if you HAVE flesh to contend with..

 

[gideon army]

I did not ask if you gave in to the desires of your flesh, I asked if you HAVE flesh to contend with..

Abraham/Isaac/Jacob/Moses/king David/king Solomon & many men of faith throughout the scriptures have to contend with Flesh & am like Paul, it's Christ who delivers me & not me confessing my sins (That's like the Scribes/ Pharisees who lowered the standards of GOD till 'keepable')

Let's see what Scriptures has to say:-

Numbers 21:9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

Unlike you Zeena, i don't look at my sins for i give them no regard, i behold The Finished works of Christ which the above Scripture is a shadow & i have the SUBSTANCE of the Cross hence I don't wanna be like you & many others "Looking at my sins/bites of the serpent & dying" hence I keep on keeping on Thanking Christ & my heavenly Daddy that my sins were JUDGED to HIS Full measure at the Cross of Christ When i fail, I just tell myself that there is therefore Now no condemnation for am in Christ & move on

If you ask then how will i learn? Then let scriptures answer for me again:-

2 Cr 3:18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Told you so Zeena that Beholding one's sins will lead to Self Condemnation & it's Preaching from the DEEPEST PITS of HELL hence I choose LIfe in Beholding HIS (Christ Jesus) Glory

Believe that in my earlier post, i've stated that GOD wants all the GLORY, so HE Must do all the Work in me, for me via His Spirit in me without my self effort & it's effortless as above scriptures have shown you It's all God the Daddy/ Christ my LORD & His Spirit in me doing all the work & me? Nothing

P.S. Zeena, Guess you've forgotten to reply if Abraham/ Isaac/ Jabob or the Children of Israel during Pre Mount Sinai days were ever rebuke for all their MUCKS up or if they've confess like how Pastors doing the work of the Devil which was preached to you to confess your sins

 

[Zeena]

Do you understand the difference between a sinful nature and the flesh?

 

[gideon army]

Do you understand the difference between a sinful nature and the flesh?

Yo Zeena,

Am so sad that you've No revelation KNowledge of Him hence this is my Pray for you :-

Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,

Hate to have you hit a brick wall in your life to see His Grace/ His Finish Works for which Christ is a great Respector of choice. I know i can't hence it's ALL Him & nothing of me as in & out of myself is nothing but trash but in HIM, am Eternally / Forever Righteous/ Holy & best part, Christ Justified me & paid MORE than what is enough for all my transgressions till the day I see HIM

You can continue to be Beholding your sins which ultimately leads to self condemnation & death (Relationships/ Finances/ Career/ Health & so forth) but i choose life in HIM & HIS Finished works This is scriptural & what you're advocating isn't scriptural which is Anti-Christ= self efforts / Self Glorification/ Self Edification

 

[Zeena]

So then, I take it you're not willing to answer the question because you would be convicted of your sins?

 

[gideon army]

So then, I take it you're not willing to answer the question because you would be convicted of your sins?

My apologies to the General Reading Forumers,

Zeena, i've answered you so loud that Deaf can hear & Blind can see from my last few posts & hope you're not beginning to act like another forummer who kept asking when all the answers are plain for all the see

You have a very LOW Estimation of Christ & His Eternal Finished works & a spirit of an Illegitimate child of GOD but i have the Spirit of Sonship for i make MUCH of Christ hence we're on different frequency

 

[ozell]

read the story of the prodigal son .

i am His son because i am born again .

and nothing can make me unborn again .

bless .

how many time have you been born again?

 

[ozell]

My apologies to the General Reading Forumers,

Zeena, i've answered you so loud that Deaf can hear & Blind can see from my last few posts & hope you're not beginning to act like another forummer who kept asking when all the answers are plain for all the see

You have a very LOW Estimation of Christ & His Eternal Finished works & a spirit of an Illegitimate child of GOD but i have the Spirit of Sonship for i make MUCH of Christ hence we're on different frequency

again this is your opinon, which is wrong.

 

[ozell]

I agree with Zeena. Even the most mature Christian will be caught off gaurd at some point and listen to the sinful nature. Even though I show signs of spiritual maturity, I feel the power of the sinful nature manipulating my thoughts occasionally. I will gladly admit that I am a sinner, because I know that the source of the sin is my sinful nature, and not my spirit. We become separated from the sinful nature when we die, and until then, we will suffer from the influence of the flesh.

Now G

again you admitted that you are a sinner even today at this moment

if you are a sinner today how can the commandments/laws be fulfilled as you stated in a previous post and you continue to sin.

or how can the commandments be replaced if you and I can still sin.

I know you said you agree that the blood of animal are replaced and the laws fulfilled by Jesus.

yet there are many here and many christians being taught that the commandments are done away with.

 

[ozell]

So then, I take it you're not willing to answer the question because you would be convicted of your sins?

actually Zeena

Gideon has no clue what sin is. Go back and read the STUFF hs post!

it don't make any sense.

 

[ozell]

It has taken me many attempts to try to understand all of Revelations, and I will never claim to know it all. It goes back and forth among the events so often it is humanly impossible to totally understand it all. Not that I can in anyway draw a conclusion for anyone else, I can only draw my own conclusions and this is what I've drawn:

It is impossible for us to have the full knowledge of GOD and the events that will take place in the end and in what order in which they will take place. It can only bring strife and argument, so I can only assume to know what is said, and assume that no one else has full knowledge either.

Mark 13:32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

What we are left with is only the drawing of conclusions, all truth is sealed up until it is revealed in real-time events.

I have to disagree with you Natalie, what ever Jesusd has written in the pages of the bible he want us to know and understand


Dan 2:22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Revelation is the revealing.

where is your servant of God to teach you?

Rom 10 v13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14: How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15: And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16: But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

this is what he will do?

Eccl 12v8: Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.

9: And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs.

10: The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.

what is written in the bible we are suppose to know and understand!!!

 

[ozell]

=Light hearted;54077582]What is Grace? Grace is unmerited favor, it is being in God's favor yet you did not work for it. Had you worked for it, you would have earned it such as like a paycheck. In the law it was considered "works" merited favor. Problem was, works did not turn peoples heart toward God. Being that Grace is unmerited, we cannot boast of ourselves, we only boast of the Lord, Jesus and the work that he did.

what is grace? we know it is a unmerited favor, we know we did not work for it, what is grace?

You do counterdict yourself through the posts, here and other threads, you say that Grace was upon the earth in Noah's time, yet above you state that Jesus blood is Grace. Jesus's blood was not spilled out til New Testament times.

if grace was not spilled out in NT times how did Noah come under it?

lets use some common sense. lets read the book.

Rv 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

when was the lamb slain?

Can you explain the Grace that was granted to Noah in his time?

I did? the blood of Jesus covers everyone and all times.

was Noah and all before the NT here before the foundation of the world when the Lamb of God was slain?

why did John say the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world?.

Jesus blood is eternal, I didn't see it, yet I believe it. Remember I wrote in an earlier post. That which is seen is temporal, that which is not seen is eternal. Surely your next comment will be for those of whom where there the day Jesus did spill his blood. Consider doubting Thomas, he wanted to see to believe, and he did see and he believed. Jesus then says, blessed are those who have "not" seen and yet believed. So since I believe Jesus spilled His blood for my sins, and I did not see it, it is eternal, my cleansing is eternal.

Jesus blood is eternal because it says the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Of course you did not see it in the NT or before the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. The people in the OT times did not see the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

but we can read it all day and all nite! So Jesus blood is eternal as you said, so you answered your own question about Noah, Jesus blood is eternal, Jesus blood is grace.

Romans 3 Does say for past sins. These obviously are for the sins commited before being born again in the Spirit. You have mentioned this, you are correct. Where animals had to be sacrificed year after year, Jesus sacrifice was once and for all.

thank you for acknowledging this.

Let's ask this, after one has been born again in the Spirit, and one does sin again willingly, is there a way to reconcile with God?/QUOTE]

if you are born again can you sin? Peter said

1Pt 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

incorruptible cannot sin. so if they cannot sin they cannot sin wilfully.

If so what would the action be to do so?

we have two different understanding of born again which is another lesson.

I've read your accusations of "people don't understand sin". You could not be more incorrect. I say this firmly, yet with love.

LH ask you church members, relatives what is the bible definition of sin and I know they would not be able to tell you.

Ok, here goes. In order to be born again in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit stirs our heart, for me it was a never ending hunger. Not for food, it was deeper, it was Spiritual. Finally God send a neighbor and another friend who spoke of God. Before this time, I had abolutly nothing to do with God, nothing, and I mean nothing. After hearing testamonies I learned what the hunger was. It was the Holy Spirit knocking.

born again another topic for another day.

Oh my God (literally), it is the one true God, calling me, wow.

Go to Romans 10, What did I have to confess...the fact that my sins have kept me apart from God. I had to know what sin was and confess it right to God's face. Did you read that, God found my confession true, for he knows the heart. My confession wasn't man approved, it was God approved.

we have people who repent for smoking a cigarette or drinking wine, or dancing is this sin?

Don't tell a born again person that they don't understand sin, we have a God approved knowledge of sin that we will stand beyond any accusation you may say.

start the topic and watch me tell them.

I'm sorry the statements above seem harsh, I just didn't want to be mistaken

.

not taken harshly, we have a different understanding.

You harp on the topic of "Jesus replacing the law of animal sacrifice". No one here this denied this statement.

I know LH,

yet the people participated because they wanted to, yet they think the commandments, feast days, dietary laws, circumcison is done away with.

Now I ask a question concerning the sacrifice. Were there other laws or procedures that changed when Jesus changed the law of sacrifice?

only those that pertain to the ordinance of the sacrifice.

Jesus did not come to remove sin from the world. Jesus came to remove sin from those who believe in him, and have been indwelled with the Holy Spirit.

yet sin and the appearance of sin is still here.

Sin in the world will continue, I do not understand where you got the idea that sin in the world is removed. We who are rightious are the good crops that live with the weeds. We must endure to the end, Jesus gives us the strenth to do so. Jesus is our strength, once again, not that we may boast of ourselves, but in Jesus who saved us

when did I say sin is removed? I never said that.