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What is your view on wearing a Crucifix vs Regular Cross?

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It always amazes me how many things people don't like just because they view them as "Catholic"...

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It always amazes me how many things people want to see as being opposed to Catholicism when they aren't that at all.
 
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Oh, come now. You think there aren't a serious number of people out there who don't like crucifixes because they're too 'Catholic'? Well you're looking at a former one.

First, what I said was that I am amazed how many people see anti-Catholics under every bed (to paraphrase an expression from the McCarthy era). I did not say that there isn't an individual here or there who sees things as you say you once did.

Secondly, I am just as likely to think that a person wearing a crucifix is a Lutheran as I am to think he's a Catholic. But the fact remains that to wear a cross is to make a statement about Christianity whereas a crucifix suggests that the wearer is making a statement about his or her denomination. Not all of those who do wear crucifixes are doing it for that reason, but some are. There's no such problem with the cross.

Thirdly, I do not have the burden of making sure that all my statements pass muster with the "Round Table " society.
 
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First, what I said was that I am amazed how many people see anti-Catholics under every bed (to paraphrase an expression from the McCarthy era). I did not say that there isn't an individual here or there who sees things as you say you once did.

Secondly, I am just as likely to think that a person wearing a crucifix is a Lutheran as I am to think he's a Catholic. But the fact remains that to wear a cross is to make a statement about Christianity whereas a crucifix suggests that the wearer is making a statement about his or her denomination. Not all of those who do wear crucifixes are doing it for that reason, but some are. There's no such problem with the cross.

Thirdly, I do not have the burden of making sure that all my statements pass muster with the "Round Table " society.

it is a "fact" that those who wear a crucifix are making a statement about their denomination?
and it is not that with the plain cross?

I would say it is about equal
some people wear the plain cross to show that they are not Catholic because they have the misguided belief that ONLY Catholics wear crucifixes
on the other hand, you have people who wear crucifixes with no denominational motivations whatsoever
 
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it is a "fact" that those who wear a crucifix are making a statement about their denomination?
Would you like to read that post one more time before framing your question? If you find that anyone said that every crucifix necessarily means that the wearer is making a statement about his denomination, we'll talk.

and it is not that with the plain cross?
I don't see any reason to think it is. I know both Protestants and Roman Catholics who wear crosses.
 
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But the fact remains that to wear a cross is to make a statement about Christianity whereas a crucifix suggests that the wearer is making a statement about his or her denomination. Not all of those who do wear crucifixes are doing it for that reason, but some are. There's no such problem with the cross.

you say that there is "no such problem with the cross"
I disagree, some people wear a plain cross specifically because of their denomination
just as some people wear crucifixes because of their denomination

we can just as easily say "to wear a crucifix is to make a statement about Christianity"
 
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you say that there is "no such problem with the cross"
I don't think there is. I thought carefully about that, but no, I don't think there's any automatic assumption that can or is made. It's purely non-denominational. If we were talking about a cross behind or above an altar or in some other location, it might be different.

I disagree, some people wear a plain cross specifically because of their denomination
Well, they might, but that isn't the point. It doesn't send that message. And of course, we don't know, from the cross, who's who. It just stands for the Christian faith.
 
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First, what I said was that I am amazed how many people see anti-Catholics under every bed (to paraphrase an expression from the McCarthy era). I did not say that there isn't an individual here or there who sees things as you say you once did.

Secondly, I am just as likely to think that a person wearing a crucifix is a Lutheran as I am to think he's a Catholic. But the fact remains that to wear a cross is to make a statement about Christianity whereas a crucifix suggests that the wearer is making a statement about his or her denomination. Not all of those who do wear crucifixes are doing it for that reason, but some are. There's no such problem with the cross.

Thirdly, I do not have the burden of making sure that all my statements pass muster with the "Round Table " society.

1. I wasn't aware of Lutherans, let alone that Lutherans sometimes wore crucifixes.

2. Wearing a cross is as much a symbol of certain denominations as a crucifix is, and wearing a crucifix is as much a symbol of Christ crucified as a cross. I imagine you did not read my pastor's sermon that I posted.
 
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1. I wasn't aware of Lutherans, let alone that Lutherans sometimes wore crucifixes.

Certainly! I do.... my pastor does... many do that I know. And it's used in our congregation, as well.




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1. I wasn't aware of Lutherans, let alone that Lutherans sometimes wore crucifixes.
Not aware that Lutherans wear crucifixes? Sure. I've personally known those who do. In fact, I have met a few who have made the point to me personally that they are Christians who prefer crucifixes to crosses and that it's not just Catholics who do. I can't say that these are typical Lutherans, of course.

I could also have used Anglicans as examples, if I hadn't cited Lutherans.

2. Wearing a cross is as much a symbol of certain denominations as a crucifix is, and wearing a crucifix is as much a symbol of Christ crucified as a cross. I imagine you did not read my pastor's sermon that I posted.
If you are able to meet a stranger in a mall, say, and notice that she's wearing a neck chain with a small cross hanging from it--and from this determine which denomination she's a member of....

...you're a much better 'guesstimator' than I am or anyone else I know. ;)
 
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Yup. I think they both make me look fat (spiritually).
Most advertising is false these days.

I've read one article where a guy equates them with "lying signs".

Exactly...

For that matter i do not put the icthus on my vehicle either...
 
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My view is that it doesn't really make a difference, what counts is the gesture of wearing it and what it means for you... I wear a cross because that's what my grandma gave me 10 years ago; had she given me a crucifix or a medal of the Virgin Mary I would be wearing that now, and I think it would make no difference at all...
 
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