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Why did Emperor Constantine and the Roman Church especially purposely choose the Birthday of Roman Sun god(Mastering Planting) to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? Although they obviously did not know on which day Jesus was given to birth.
It is said by many history scholars that Jesus was not born in winter.And the Scriptures never tell us to celebrate his birth every year.
We all know those things and agree with you, as has been said in the posts above on this thread - most ministers in Churches would agree with you but... the question is how do you change milllions and millions and millions of minds and hearts that have been been fed by these stories by their parents, grand-parents and great-grandparents? Two millennia of bad teaching all around the globe will not be corrected in a short period of time. Please tell how we might do it, in your opinion?
Why did Emperor Constantine and the Roman Church especially purposely choose the Birthday of Roman Sun god(Mastering Planting) to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? Although they obviously did not know on which day Jesus was given to birth.
Wow, he's pretty harsh with the claim that Christmas symbols are demonic (tree, holly, elves, mistletoe). Is that a common Messianic view? I'm guessing Tim Hegg is Messianic. I've heard his many mentioned many times.
God does pick His appointed times to do things. You are right, God does show amazing grace to all mankind. Here is an interesting point in Latin, September [septem] means seven like septimus means seventh; September is in fact the seventh month of the Jewish, or Biblical calendar. October [octo] means eight, reflecting the fact that October was the eighth month of the Jewish year. November in Latin [novem] means nine. November was the ninth month of the Jewish year. December in Latin [decem] means ten. December was the tenth month of the Jewish year. So December 25 can be understood as the twenty-fifth day of the tenth month. Hanukkah is observed for eight nights and days, starting on the 25th day of Kislev [10th Jewish month] according to the Jewish calendar, which may occur at any time from late November to late December in the Gregorian calendar. And just for fun, I will add that Christmas holiday is celebrated by many from December 25 through January 1. This, too, is an eight day period which corresponds to the eight days of Chanukah. Then came the separation of Jewishness from Yeshua followers starting after 70 AD and complete severance by 324 AD decrees and Roman fixation to identify with something their countrymen were familiar with.They didn't. Christians already were celebrating the birth of Jesus in December before Constantine was born. It's because the Gospel timeline indicates He was born a few months after John the baptizer, who was born 9 months after his father Zechariah was struck mute while serving in the Temple. We know from recovered archeological data the exact times when Zechariah's family was serving in the Temple. December is the calculated date. Doesn't preach well for some Messianics but who cares? The facts fall on the side of tradition in this case. God shows amazing prevenient grace to mankind by picking such times to relate to all men. He's bigger than Tim Hegg's doctrine.
Emperor Constantine actually didn't choose anything, to my knowledge. What he did do was force all of the churches in the area to come together/decide when they would celebrate so that he could have less conflict about it between the pagans and believers---and he often sided with the believers due to his own reasons, even though he made room for pagans. The believers, seeing opportunity to evangelize others who often chose to worship the Sun God on that day (as well as having possible reasons to believe Christ was born in Winter) chose that slot as a time to worship the Messiah.....and in their minds, they felt Christ would be victorious since they'd no longer have to remain silent about their belief in the Lord or allow others to worship false gods while they worshiped the Lord in silence/being hidden (as it was during times of persecution before Constantine showed up).Why did Emperor Constantine and the Roman Church especially purposely choose the Birthday of Roman Sun god(Mastering Planting) to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? Although they obviously did not know on which day Jesus was given to birth.
Scripture never says any kind of law or rule saying believers should either celebrate every year or must only celebrate on a kind of year. In many ways, it is a non-issue and something that is a matter of majoring on minors and minoring on majors when it becomes an obsession to examine churches that enjoy celebrating the concept of Christ's birth during the winter (and many of those same churches already agree he probably wasn't born during the Winter).It is said by many history scholars that Jesus was not born in winter. And the Scriptures never tell us to celebrate his birth every year.
There were a lot of new Christians who came out of a polytheistic culture and understood pantheons...and thus, to hear of Christ and God the Father/Holy SPirit meant that there were 3 differing Gods. The body of believers did have a good system of handling that so that others would know that God is One and yet in 3 differing persons...one of the reasons why settling the debates about the Trinity were such a big deal in the early church since many were saying there could never be such a thing as a Trinity due to how they felt it was supporting the theology of Roman Pantheons---and others saying "God is One" who didn't believe in Yeshua and already felt he was blasphemous for his statements on being ONE with the Father and yet submitted to Him. True biblical understandings of God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit were corrupted in the third, fourth, and fifth centuries by Greek philosophy and pagan polytheism, which led to the development of the doctrines of the Trinity and the deity of Christ.In the period soon after Constantine when Romanism Christianity became the Royal religion. Many many new “Christians” did not know What monotheism was. A simply answer was:”You don’t know whom ‘God’ is? Never mind. ‘God’ is like our Roman God Jupiter (Zeus, Deus)!”
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Christians already were celebrating the birth of Jesus in December before Constantine was born. It's because the Gospel timeline indicates He was born a few months after John the baptizer, who was born 9 months after his father Zechariah was struck mute while serving in the Temple. We know from recovered archeological data the exact times when Zechariah's family was serving in the Temple. December is the calculated date. Doesn't preach well for some Messianics but who cares? The facts fall on the side of tradition in this case. God shows amazing prevenient grace to mankind by picking such times to relate to all men. .
They didn't. Christians already were celebrating the birth of Jesus in December before Constantine was born. It's because the Gospel timeline indicates He was born a few months after John the baptizer, who was born 9 months after his father Zechariah was struck mute while serving in the Temple. We know from recovered archeological data the exact times when Zechariah's family was serving in the Temple. December is the calculated date. Doesn't preach well for some Messianics but who cares? The facts fall on the side of tradition in this case. God shows amazing prevenient grace to mankind by picking such times to relate to all men. He's bigger than Tim Hegg's doctrine.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I asked a Rabbi one time: “Why is a cow horn not used as a Shofar?” The Rabbi told me: “because we got into trouble with the cow before.” [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]It's just a cow horn.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Is that a common Messianic view?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]One Friday morning I meet a woman who I know was Jewish in a supermarket. In her cart were Lobster's, I asked her what the Lobster was for. She told me she was having Guest for her Shabbat dinner. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Now I ask you: Is this a common Jewish view?[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][/FONT]
You don't belong here anyway, so why are you here making silly posts?-golden cow is Israels G-d ... ??
-lobster veiws ...??
haha I'm glad I am not alone in digressing .
idolatry and eating of meats clean or unclean ...if i randomly read only this page and took all the above out of context -id think id stumbled into a cult thread ..
_said in humor _
Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me." 3 So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, "These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt." 5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, "Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD." 6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry. 7 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. 8 They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, 'These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.'
You don't belong here anyway, so why are you here making silly posts?
I guess you've never read the Torah??
Exodus 32 to be precise
You don't belong here anyway, so why are you here making silly posts?
I guess you've never read the Torah??
Exodus 32 to be precise
-golden cow is Israels G-d ... ??
-lobster veiws ...??
haha I'm glad I am not alone in digressing .
idolatry and eating of meats clean or unclean ...if i randomly read only this page and took all the above out of context -id think id stumbled into a cult thread ..
_said in humor _
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