WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTADING OF " FALLING AWAY "

[Dan Perez]

In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .

What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?

What say you ?

dan p

 

[Jonaitis]

"For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."
- 2 Thessalonians 2:3

The "rebellion" referred to the Jewish revolt (66–73 CE), specifically 69 CE, and the "man of lawlessness" referred to Vespasian, who, at the time, led a legion of the Imperial Roman army, and was appointed and sent by Caesar Nero (and continued after his death), to suppress the Jewish revolt underway in Judea. This is what is meant by that the rebellion would reveal him. He was responsible for the destruction of Temple in 70 CE, and the slaughtering and deporting of many Jews in Jerusalem and throughout Judea. There are some accounts that say after breaching through the innermost part of the Temple, he glorified himself. He was worshipped in the Empire during his life as divi Vespasian.

 

[Yekcidmij]

The "rebellion" referred to the Jewish revolt (66–73 CE), specifically 69 CE, and the "man of lawlessness" referred to Vespasian, who, at the time, led a legion of the Imperial Roman army, and was appointed and sent by Caesar Nero (and continued after his death), to suppress the Jewish revolt underway in Judea. This is what is meant by that the rebellion would reveal him. He was responsible for the destruction of Temple in 70 CE, and the slaughtering and deporting of many Jews in Jerusalem and throughout Judea. There are some accounts that say after breaching through the innermost part of the Temple, he glorified himself. He was worshipped in the Empire during his life as divi Vespasian.

The man of lawlessness could have been one of the messianic claimints leading up to and during the war. It seems from Josephus' account that either John of Giscala or Simon bar Giora (and probably both of them) tried to set themselves up as messiah in the temple during the war.

Ether way, I take the "falling away" the be the Jewish Rebellion against Rome in 66-73. Paul's comment is easily understood in light of the nationalistic fervor in Judea and the way of armed violence against Rome. During the war against Rome, they literally turned the temple area into a "den of 'lestai' (literally: rebels)"

 

[Brad D.]

The Bible is full of Dualisms, foreshadowing's etc.., Far too many to mention here. The scripture may have spoke of something of historical significance, but I would be wary of limiting its prophetic implications. What is the falling away? We are living in it.

 

[Jonaitis]

The man of lawlessness could have been one of the messianic claimints leading up to and during the war. It seems from Josephus' account that either John of Giscala or Simon bar Giora (and probably both of them) tried to set themselves up as messiah in the temple during the war.

Ether way, I take the "falling away" the be the Jewish Rebellion against Rome in 66-73. Paul's comment is easily understood in light of the nationalistic fervor in Judea and the way of armed violence against Rome. During the war against Rome, they literally turned the temple area into a "den of 'lestai' (literally: rebels)"

When I read 'The Wars of the Jews' for the first time, my eyes were opened. The parallels with Scripture, like Matthew 24 and Luke 21, is astonishing. What a horrible time to have lived through!

 

[All Becomes New]

 

[sandman]

Just to be clear … My foundational principle in research has always been to allow the Word of God to interpret itself…and see how it fits together. I am not hell-bent on seeing what I want to believe… because what I want, doesn’t matter. “what does the Word dictate” … that is what I will believe ….

99% of the time the Word of God will give us an answer by using basic keys in research which boils down in many respects to…. in the verse, in the context, and how is the word or phrase used in first and previous applications. Obviously, it’s considerably more involved, but in the end ….the Bible does interpret itself and God defines what He wants us to know … sometimes it takes some digging, but most time it’s relatively simple …. It’s man that confounds things (generally speaking) by attempting to prove what they believe….and I do everything feasible not to swim in that pool ….



The words falling away come from the Greek noun Apostasia. Apo meaning “away from” and stasia meaning “to stand”

The noun occurs twice. Once in Act 21:21 and the other in 2Th 2:3

Act 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

Here in Acts… James and the elders in Jerusalem accused the Apostle Paul of teaching the Judeans to forsake Moses’s teachings, like circumcision and other customs that they held…this is clearly a departure from their teachings. Forsake is probably not a bad translation, but it’s nowhere near a falling away.

The definition of falling away apostacy



This verse in Acts as well as the verb form in 1Ti 4:1 make a distinction. The verse in Act 21:21 they are speaking about departing or forsaking Moses, circumcision, and customs. In 1Ti 4:1 the Word makes the qualifying distinction of “the faith”.

In 1Ti 4:1 … some shall depart from the faith … the distinction in this verse is with “the faith” in using the verb form aphistēmi. And since the noun apostasia (used in 2Th 2:3)…. is derived from the verb, it behooves us to check them out.



Luk 2:37 = departed Act 5:37 = drew away* Act 19:9 = departed 1Ti 6:5 = withdraw*

Luk 4:13 = departed Act 5:38 = refrain* Act 22:29 = departed 2Ti 2:19 = depart

Luk 8:13 = fall away* Act 12:10 = departed 2Co 12:8 = depart Heb 3:12= departing

Luk 13:27 = depart Act 15:38 = departed 1Ti 4:1 = depart

Eleven of the 15 x aphistēmi (the verb form of apostasia) is translated depart, departed, or departing…and 1x as fall away, 1x as refrain, 1x as drew away and 1x as withdraw. Of which those last 4 could easily be translated depart, departed, or departing and have it fit and read accurately.



The use of the cognitive neuter noun apostasion all 3 deal with divorcement (departure)

Mat 5:31, Mat 19:7, Mar 10:4.




To conclude 2Th 2:3 is falling away from the faith is as ludicrous as concluding that 2Th 2:3 is a falling away from Moses and the circumcision (actually Act 21:21 would be the more responsible conclusion if we were going that route ….as they are both a feminine noun)
We don’t get to add words based on our assumption and clearly there is no justification to add either Moses or the faith in 2Th 2:3.


But for those who can conclude that the word should be translated a falling away ….after seeing how it is used as a verb… and as a cognitive neuter noun ….that is fine, whatever floats your belief…. I can live with that…. it does not alter the rapture conclusion one bit. However… you don’t get to add any words such as the faith to the conclusion of your belief…. unless you are God. If God had wanted the word faith in there …it would be there …it’s not. And there is no place in the context of 2Th 2:3 that depicts…. a falling away from the faith.

 

[BobRyan]

In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .

What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?

What say you ?

dan p

Falling Away -- "apostasy"... brings in the dark ages...

IT is not a reference to non-Christian Jews. They had already rejected Christ as Romans 11 points out. That was a past event -- a historic fact for Paul.

 

[timothyu]

What is the falling away? We are living in it.

Yes from a modern day angle, the various heads of different religions getting together to form a side gig of world religion while supporting the WEF and rewriting the ten commandments while at Sinai to be about the environment, seems to be a bit of a falling away from the Kingdom of God as they fully immerse themselves in the world of man in order to stay relevant

 

[Matt5]

In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .

What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?

What say you ?

dan p

When the fake Jesus (false prophet) comes he will be so convincing that a lot of Christians (people) will be fooled. The entire planet will need to make a decision: should they join the religion of the fake Jesus?

Falling away = join a different religion.

How is it possible that so many people (billions) could be so fooled? I explain below:

Hey Foolish Virgins from Matthew 25:1-13: Did you hit your head or something? | Christian Forums

 

[Maria Billingsley]

In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .

What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?

What say you ?

dan p

Could be King Herod Agrippa II. He left Jerusalem in 66AD. He was certainly corrupt and lawless. Most definitely a son of perdition.
Blessings.

 

[bling]

I sometimes use: “Gal. 6: 7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.”

The good harvest includes eternal life, but in the end some people will give up (fall away) prior to the harvest and will loss out on eternal life.

 

[timothyu]

It would be very easy today to wish harm upon those elites who are currently attempting to rule the world by acting like its saviours, saying oppression and culling is for the good of mankind. But we are told instead to pray for them that they may see the continual error of man's self serving ways resulting from putting our will before the will of God. We see how people fall back into the ways of the world in #9 (the post, not necessarily the song) Those seeds fell upon poor ground. Ironic considering everything will become synthetic and ground infertile yet this is what we are told will be our earthly salvation. The Adversary mimicks God but does things backwards through allied mankind.

 

[Clare73]

In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .

What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?

What say you ?

dan p

Falling away means apostasy, rebellion, but here Paul is speaking of active rebellion, the supreme opposition of evil to the things of God led by the man of lawlessness (anti-Christ).

 

[Blade]

In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .

What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?

What say you ?

dan p

It can also mean departure. Many years ago it was the first word used So like the song playing right now "Jesus is coming back.......Hes coming for us like He told us" By Jordan Feliz.

So one could say "unless there come a departure first then the man of sin will be revealed." Yet one can say falling away first. For me how does a falling away kick start so to speak the lawless one to come out in the open? Are we not the Church and the gates of hell will never come against us? Do we not have all power all authority over the enemy? A why can't the lawless one come out in the open right now? Were still here. Greater is He that is in you then he thats in the world. I give you all power/authority over the enemy and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

One body and the sweet sweet holy Spirit in us forever. There can never come a time when the enemy has more power authority over just one believer who has the living true God in them. Now what would happen if you take that out of the way? What if the Church departed? Hmm seems that road block is gone now. Just talking here haha.. just running with some thoughts.

Again can mean falling away but also departure. For me departure fits since I read what was written before this. Do you really think believe many are falling away? I can remember just two times since 2015 where millions came to Christ. One million in one day. I saw it.

 

[Jonaitis]

To conclude 2Th 2:3 is falling away from the faith is as ludicrous as concluding that 2Th 2:3 is a falling away from Moses and the circumcision (actually Act 21:21 would be the more responsible conclusion if we were going that route ….as they are both a feminine noun)
We don’t get to add words based on our assumption and clearly there is no justification to add either Moses or the faith in 2Th 2:3.

But for those who can conclude that the word should be translated a falling away ….after seeing how it is used as a verb… and as a cognitive neuter noun ….that is fine, whatever floats your belief…. I can live with that…. it does not alter the rapture conclusion one bit. However… you don’t get to add any words such as the faith to the conclusion of your belief…. unless you are God. If God had wanted the word faith in there …it would be there …it’s not. And there is no place in the context of 2Th 2:3 that depicts…. a falling away from the faith.

Yes, I agree, if it were about faith, then Paul's words would appear cryptic. It is clear that the word does not refer to the faith otherwise it would include it.

 

[timothyu]

Yes falling away means change of allegiance. We've seen it many times in the Bible and we've seen it since in post biblical events and we have been told it will happen in the future not only among people but it's institutions. Consider that the harlot of Babylon would be something that aligned itself with Babylon (metaphor?) for personal gain, an unholy combination of say religion and secular power as we once saw in Constantine's time, and now with religions aligning with the WEF. The Kingdom of God in both cases broadsided in favour of worldly gain. Falling away being replacing the will of God with the will and ways of mankind.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .

What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?

What say you ?

dan p

A falling away (departure) from the faith. Just like Paul also wrote about here:

1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

 

[iamlamad]

In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .

What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?

What say you ?

dan p

A significant departing - one Paul expected all to recognize.

 

[Aaron112]

A significant departing - one Paul expected all to recognize.

"All " who ? All the blind, or All the seeing, or all the faithful, or all the unbelievers ?