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1 Kings 18/41-46
41 --And elijah said unto Ahab, Get thee up, eat and drink: for there is a sound of abundance of rain.
42 So Ahab went up to eat and to drink. And Elijah went up to the top of Carmel; and he cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees.
43 And said to his servent, Go up now, look toward the sea. And he went up, and looked, and said, There is nothing, And he said, Go again seven times.
44 And it came to pass at the seventh time,that he said, Behold, there ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's hand. And he said. Go up, say unto Ahad, Prepare thy chariot, and get thee down, that the rain stop thee not.
45 And it came to pass in the meanwhile, that the heaven was black with clouds and wind, and there was a great rain. And Ahab rode, and went to Jezreel.
46 And the hand of the Lord was on Elijah; and he girdrd up his loins, and ran before Ahab to the entrance of Jezreel.

Now add --91 Psalm 1-16

1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
2 I will say of the Lord,my refuge and my fortress :my God ; in him will I trust .
3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fower,from the noisome pestilence.
4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust; his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou and see the reward of the wicked.
9 Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plaque come nigh thy dwelling.
11 Foe he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder; the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
14 Because he halt set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him; I will set him on high, because he halt known my name.
15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him and honour him.
16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.
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Kings & Psalm

It reminds me of a Dream I had some forty years or so ago.
That bothered me, for a longest time.
I got out of bed, there was a clatter in the front of our new home we had just built .There were windows right to the peak of the house,a little gray bird was caught in the sharp Peek at the top of the roof.I got up to that area and there was a another bird, but much larger,and purest of white,it had it's wings wrapped around the little bird,protecting it.
I was wondering why this was happening.I ran out side in my shorts, to get a closer look,and try to see what was bothering the two. Well ,When I got outside there was a large black long cloud in front and behind the house from horizon to horizon east to west. It was a cigar shaped thing,the cloud bothered the little gray bird and it was in a panic.
I yelled at the top of my lunges,ANGELA look at this, is this something or what ,Well we were in bed and my wife was still asleep,we were both there in shock looking at each other.
Well, that' not the funny part of the story.About two or three years after,a minister ripped a page out of bible,and gave the page to me, and he said that there was some thing on this page ,that will straighten something out and ,that it has been bothering me.
From the start of the dream to the explanation of the dream took over two years.
I told that dream to a lot of people but this guy never heard of it ,and he was right on . P.S. STRANGE OR WHAT.He gave me the scriptures above. Then I was given this obsession ,That I could not get out of my head.
Revelations.walt2000
 
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What is your "endtime" view?
Does it really matter? :D We all have our own views, as do the Jews and Muslims.
 
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Jews ,have their truth.Muslims.,have their truth.

and the Christians have their truth.Revelations of Christ given to John.walt2000
If I thought Reve 1 thru 20 were fulfilled, I would probably be a Full Preterist, but only Partial Preterist views are allowed for some reason [sounds like discrimination to me :D. ]

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7250784
"No full preterist views..." ?
 
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This is how I see it.

The Christian is baptized by grace.

The Jew will be baptized by the sight of his coming.

The Muslim, and the world ,will be baptized with fire of his coming.

All else not, baptized in Christ ,will be lead into the lake of fire.As trash .walt2000

Christ, at his second Advent ,all will be baptized,into Christ.( unless they would prefer death)

The book Say's I baptize with water (The Word),but he who comes after me, will baptize with grace (the holy spirit) next will be baptized with the fire of his coming.
Then ,Don't you know, at the regeneration of mankind, you will be judges ,of the twelve tribes of Israel.walt2000

Then the age of the new beginning ,the eighth day.=(8 th. Thunder) ie.the Great Thunder.
All is new.Rev.14/2
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If I thought Reve 1 thru 20 were fulfilled, I would probably be a Full Preterist, but only Partial Preterist views are allowed for some reason [sounds like discrimination to me :D. ]

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7250784
"No full preterist views..." ?

Yes it is discrimination,Christian.
It can not be helped,Christian discrimination.Sorry .If I thought Reve 1 thru 20 were fulfilled, I would probably be a Full Preterist
This is The Revelation of Christ to man.
No full pereterist views.This is Revelation.
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This is what I believe is yet to come:

"Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them." (Revelation 20)

This seems to be the same event as:

2Th 2:6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.
2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
2Th 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

and...

2Th 1:6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you,
2Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
2Th 1:10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

So the church (to whom Paul was writing) would not see an end to their troubles until Jesus returns to destroy them with everlasting destruction. The happens on "the day" (the day of the Lord) the saints are glorified in Him. Which sounds like:

Col 3:4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

Php 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

1 Jn 3:2 ...we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.

Also:

1Co 15:24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.

Jesus reigns until the last enemy is defeated, then He hands the kingdom to His Father. No matter how many enemies their are, the last one is death. We are then told when this last enemy is defeated:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY."
1Co 15:55 "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING? O HADES, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY?"

The last enemy is defeated at the "rapture". The time when the dead rise is the end of death, the final enemy. Makes sense. :thumbsup:

So I'm an Amillenial partial preterist.
 
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In Matthew 13, Jesus spoke in parables how mankind (even with the best of intentions) kept interfering and hindering the work of God. In Matthew 16 Jesus asked who mankind said he was. All got it wrong, but Peter... but he resumed interfering with the plans and works of God in a matter of verses in the same chapter.

You ask about end times views. Most folks can't agree on the scriptures and what has already taken place. This is from all the interference. If man would only take God at his word and stop trying to interpret the Bible (truth) on our terms.

Nearly 2,000 years ago the Apostle John wrote:

1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour
{{time in KJV}}; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

James 5:3
3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days.
 
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Man keeps trying to tell God how to be, what to do, how to think, what he meant by what he said, what he didn't really mean to say... and generally man keeps blowing off the warnings and pleadings of God to snap out of this delusion before the last gavel in judgment falls.

My point is, how can we discuss where we are going if we cannot agree on a standard / absolute truth about where we came from?

The longer I live the more I see this is just a subject for quarreling since anyone can have an opinion (and to most folks their opinion is reality). Why bother?
 
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If I show from scripture how God has been building the same spiritual house since Adam, which he later named Israel and though the New Covenant superseded the Old the house and the name never changed nor was it replaced...

I can hear the "nah, that's not true..." posts rattling around in folks heads now... ;)

Read Romans 11:16-26. The Olive Tree was not uprooted and replaced by another. God did not wipe the slate clear and start over. No one can replace anyone if the branches that were cut off can be grafted in again.

If we cannot agree on the things that were and the things that are, how can we have a constructive conversation about what will be?
 
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Prophecy identifies the Messiah. Few Christians will argue this point.

Prophecy also identifies the false messiah / antichrist.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

John 17:12
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Only places "the son of perdition" occurs in scripture.

There are general references to Satan filling folks (referring to influence) Matthew 16:23, Acts 5:3-4, etc. But there are only two verse specify Satan actually entering into someone:

Luke 22:33 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

John 13:26-27
26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

Revelation 13:1-5
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea {{Israel; Genesis 22:17b}} , and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

666 is a number that appears only 4 times in scripture.

  • Ezra 2:13
  • 1 Kings 10:14
  • 2 Chronicles 9:13
  • Revelation 13:18
Ezra 2:13 is offset by the fact that the next census revealed an increase in the tribe (Nehemiah 7:18)... of the tribe named "risen lord."

The builder of the first temple is the subject of the next two verses whose name is derived from "peace."

Jeremiah 6:14 (and Jeremiah 8:11)
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

Both 1st and 2nd temples were destroyed on precisely the same Hebrew calendar date (tisha b'av) 666 years apart on the Hebrew calendar.

This and many more texts indicate he will be a false Jewish messiah who will discredit Jesus and claim he is the true messiah and will convince most he is what he claims based on his return from the dead. Remember he will fool the people who come from other religions and skeptics and atheists... perhaps by some genetic marker or blood content people 2,000 years ago had.

Matthew 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

This very elect will be hunted down for their / our refusal to bow to the false messiah (which is what the mark of the beast is all about... tracking down the refuse-niks).

I am sure I have many detractors already. And yet you will notice I backed everything up with scripture and historic fact.

So, as I said before, what's the point?
 
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This is what I believe is yet to come:

"Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them." (Revelation 20)

This seems to be the same event as:

2Th 2:6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.
2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
2Th 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

and...

2Th 1:6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you,
2Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
2Th 1:10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

So the church (to whom Paul was writing) would not see an end to their troubles until Jesus returns to destroy them with everlasting destruction. The happens on "the day" (the day of the Lord) the saints are glorified in Him. Which sounds like:

Col 3:4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

Php 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

1 Jn 3:2 ...we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.

Also:

1Co 15:24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.

Jesus reigns until the last enemy is defeated, then He hands the kingdom to His Father. No matter how many enemies their are, the last one is death. We are then told when this last enemy is defeated:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY."
1Co 15:55 "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING? O HADES, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY?"

The last enemy is defeated at the "rapture". The time when the dead rise is the end of death, the final enemy. Makes sense. :thumbsup:

So I'm an Amillenial partial preterits.

This is pure ignorance,You are defying the only rule that Christ gave you.Rev.22/18.
and,let alone how to intrepid. the seven Thunders ,and ,you know not a thing, about the eighth Thunder.
You are mixing the old and new testament,and defying the word of God.Let Revelations alone..walt2000
 
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In Matthew 13, Jesus spoke in parables how mankind (even with the best of intentions) kept interfering and hindering the work of God. In Matthew 16 Jesus asked who mankind said he was. All got it wrong, but Peter... but he resumed interfering with the plans and works of God in a matter of verses in the same chapter.

You ask about end times views. Most folks can't agree on the scriptures and what has already taken place. This is from all the interference. If man would only take God at his word and stop trying to interpret the Bible (truth) on our terms.

Nearly 2,000 years ago the Apostle John wrote:

1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour {{time in KJV}}; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

James 5:3
3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days.

Good man.You broke the only rule Christ put in the book of Revelations.walt2000
 
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It is a nice read but not the inept. of Revelations.Anything ,other then the below is pure ignorance,Babel.walt2000
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In Matthew 13, Jesus spoke in parables how mankind (even with the best of intentions) kept interfering and hindering the work of God. In Matthew 16 Jesus asked who mankind said he was. All got it wrong, but Peter... but he resumed interfering with the plans and works of God in a matter of verses in the same chapter.

You ask about end times views. Most folks can't agree on the scriptures and what has already taken place. This is from all the interference. If man would only take God at his word and stop trying to interpret the Bible (truth) on our terms.

Nearly 2,000 years ago the Apostle John wrote:

1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour {{time in KJV}}; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

James 5:3
3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days.

And this is his interpretation.walt2000
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