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What is your "endtime" view?

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Revelations is a stand alone book ,it proves it self. I have been at this for forty years and there has not been one, that could prove me wrong. Show me in side Rev. where I am wrong, and do me a favor.
There must be some theologians out there. and I am not being smug ,this is a stand alone book.This chart is just right.walt2000
 
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Brain Damage posted in message #31:

Iran will take over Iraq and become the Beast that
once was and will be again. (media persian empire)
If we check out the old roman empire we see that Iran
and Iraq were no part of it, hence the beast that is
looking for 10 within to join it to wipe out Israel.

Iran may not take over Iraq, just as Iraq may not
take over Iran. Instead, Arab Iraq could become part
of a greater United Arab States, initially consisting
of Iraq, Syria (including "Palestine", i.e. a
defeated Israel), and Egypt. Israel and Egypt could
be conquered (Daniel 11:15-16) by a Baathist Iraqi
General (in Daniel 11:17, the Hebrew word translated
as "daughter" is "bath") who could be given a huge
Iraqi Army fully trained and equipped by the U.S. to
conquer Iran. But instead of using his massive Army to
invade huge Iran, the Baathist Iraqi General could
turn and conquer tiny Israel, and then Egypt, instead.

The empire of the Beast that once was and will be
again (Revelation 17:8,11) may not be the Medo-Persian
Empire, but instead could be the Babylonian Empire.
A United Arab States could have its capital in
Baghgad, Iraq, which is close to the site of the
ancient Babylon. The Antichrist could take over a
United Arab States and then move the capital to the
ancient site of Babylon (which Saddam Hussein began
to rebuild), and there the Antichrist could eventually
proclaim himself the resurrected Nebuchadnezzar and
his empire the restored Babylonian Empire.

If we check out the old Roman Empire we see that much
of the territory of present-day Iran wasn't a part of
it and that most of the territory of present-day Iraq
was a part of it. The Antichrist may initially take
over some westernmost parts of Iran which may have
been part of the old Roman Empire, as well as taking
over all of Iraq and other parts of the Middle East.
Then he could subsequently take over all of the Middle
East, and then all of North Africa, and then all of
Western Europe, so that his empire could be in effect
become a new Roman Empire in its extent of territory.

Revelation 17 describes the empire of the Antichrist.
Its seven heads (Revelation 17:3) represent the seven
empires fallen by the time of the Antichrist, five of
which had fallen by the time of John the Apostle in
the first century (Revelation 17:10a): Egypt, Assyria,
Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece. One of the heads of
the Antichrist's empire represents the empire which
existed during the time of John the Apostle
(Revelation 17:10b): Rome. And one head represents an
empire which wouldn't come until after the time of
John the Apostle (Revelation 17:10c): possibly the
various manifestations of what could be called the
Empire of Islam.

The Antichrist's empire will be an eighth empire
(Revelation 17:11b) that could be declared by the
Antichrist as being the restoration of one of the
empires that was before the time of John the Apostle
but no longer existed by the time of John the Apostle
(Revelation 17:11a): possibly the Babylonian Empire.
And the Antichrist's empire could include territory
of all of the seven empires (Revelation 17:11c) which
existed before, during, and after the time of John
the Apostle.

The ten horns of the Antichrist's empire (Revelation
17:3c) could be the same as the ten horns of the
endtime empire seen by Daniel (Daniel 7:7c). The ten
horns represent ten kings (Daniel 7:24a, Revelation
17:12a) or possibly ten major nations which would
arise out of the territory of the former Roman Empire
(Daniel 7:24a) after the time of John the Apostle
(Revelation 17:12). These ten major nations could be
Germany, Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Iraq,
Syria, Egypt, and Libya.

The Antichrist could begin his career on the world
stage by being given power over three of these ten
nations (Daniel 7:24c): Iraq, Syria, and Egypt. But
his origin has to be "diverse" from all ten of these
nations (Daniel 7:24b). He could be an Arab who
could arise out of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2, cf.
2 Thessalonians 2:4), in Lebanon, and he could be
given control over the initial manifestation of a
United Arab States consisting of Iraq, Syria
(including "Palestine", i.e. a defeated Israel), and
Egypt, which United Arab States could have been put
together by force of arms by a Baathist General, an
Iraqi Arab predecessor of the Antichrist (Daniel
11:15-17), who could mysteriously disappear from the
scene (Daniel 11:19) before the appearance of the
Antichrist (Daniel 11:21).
 
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LittleLambofJesus posted in message #33:

There are 2 end-times showing in Revelation so which
one of those would be fulfilling Daniel for example,
the one before or after the 1000yr period. Thanks

The endtime tribulation (Revelation chapters 6-18)
before the 1000-year period (Revelation 20:4-6) will
fulfill Daniel's endtime visions, while the endtime
battle of Gog and Magog (Revelation 20:7-9) after the
1000-year period will fulfill Ezekiel's endtime
vision in Ezekiel chapters 38-39.
 
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tulc said:
It seems odd to me God would allow His whole Church be wrong for over 2000 years...

What do you consider His whole church to be...?

I find it amazing that many in Christendom still think that His whole church is the RCC... and the RCC is amillennial.
 
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What do you consider His whole church to be...?

I find it amazing that many in Christendom still think that His whole church is the RCC... and the RCC is amillennial.

...His Church is made up of all the people who have a relationship with Him past, present, future. Many are in the RCC and many aren't. It's not where your butt is on Sunday (or Saturday :) ) it's where your heart is all week. ;)
tulc(who by the way is an Anabaptist) :sorry:
 
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How would you describe your "endtime" view?

You don't have to defend your view - just explain it briefly. Or explain it with as much detail as you want. It can be a common view, a modified view or even a view unique to you. If you are thinking of possibilities or even don't have a view, then that's fine to post anything along those lines. I suspect there is a lot of diversity in this forum...

I do ask that posters refrain from attempts to attack or disprove other views in this thread. Heck, you have the rest of the eschatology forum to do that if you want! :p This thread should be descriptive and explanatory of the various views.

Feel free though to ask questions or ask for definitions of terms. A lot of people aren't familiar with the variety of end-times views and terms that are out there...


LDG

Revelation is "about" the REVEALING of CHRIST.

This REVEALING will transpire in THE TEMPLE(s.)

Mankind, our BODIES, are THE REAL TEMPLES.

Christ has, does and will come and UTTERLY DRIVE OUT the usurpers...that would be THE DEVIL and his MESSENGERS.

If you want to see a PICTURE of REVELATION, read MATTHEW 25 and SEE the division between the disclosed parties...the SHEEP and THE GOATS.

There are only 2 disclosed parties...

Mankind

Devils

These currently are overlapped in the flesh.

The culmination is the SEPARATION that arises when THE MASTER comes to the TEMPLES....that would be US.

enjoy!

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...His Church is made up of all the people who have a relationship with Him past, present, future. Many are in the RCC and many aren't. It's not where your butt is on Sunday (or Saturday :) ) it's where your heart is all week. ;)tulc(who by the way is an Anabaptist) :sorry:

I think you are pretty much right on the money.And Revelations is not what will get you to heaven.If you propagate deliberate a lie, that is ,what I think is wrong. Tampering with the word of God.To be able to interpret Revelations, is a blessing, that has it's own rewards .
Blessed is he that hear the words of this book ,and understands.walt2000
 
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...His Church is made up of all the people who have a relationship with Him past, present, future. Many are in the RCC and many aren't. It's not where your butt is on Sunday (or Saturday :) ) it's where your heart is all week. ;)
tulc(who by the way is an Anabaptist) :sorry:

I would agree... although that makes your prior comment a little strange... because you basically said that you couldn't see Christ's whole church being wrong while the one person was correct (in their own mind perhaps)...

So how can you speak for the whole church in the context which you did..? Not to be picky...but like I said.. it makes your comment seem a little strange.. because how in the world would you know what the whole church thinks..?
 
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I would agree... although that makes your prior comment a little strange... because you basically said that you couldn't see Christ's whole church being wrong while the one person was correct (in their own mind perhaps)...
uhmmm I was actually pointing out that walt2000 assertion that everyone else was wrong and only he was right seemed...unlikely. :sorry:

So how can you speak for the whole church in the context which you did..? Not to be picky...but like I said.. it makes your comment seem a little strange.. because how in the world would you know what the whole church thinks..?
...I've been called worse things then strange so that's not really a problem for me. ;)
tulc(is sipping a great cup of coffee right now listening to opera) :)
 
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uhmmm I was actually pointing out that walt2000 assertion that everyone else was wrong and only he was right seemed...unlikely. :sorry:

...I've been called worse things then strange so that's not really a problem for me. ;)
tulc(is sipping a great cup of coffee right now listening to opera) :)
Have ya by any chance thought about changing coffee brands then ^_^
 
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...or we're right and you're wrong? :confused: It seems odd to me God would allow His whole Church be wrong for over 2000 years and only you would be right. :sorry:
tulc(just a thought) :)
Try to work my version out then call it wrong.walt2000


Revelations Of Seven Thunders Explaining Flash Card
Those lines and ovals ,as you call them are similaritys between the thunders.And the area around the Thunders are really self explanatory.

GET MY CHART AND LOOK.

7 the top horizontal line is Christ's victory,in yellow.
6 next horizontal line is in Red ,The no. of Man.
5 line next is Christ's protection,souls protected,Come up my people.Word
4 line from the top is the no. of Earth.
3 line is the trinity no.Father(God),Son Of (God),Holy spirit, Word of (God)
2 this line is the union With (God)
1 is the no. of unity,(God)
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7 promises to the church's on the Earth ,things Thu seen,with (God)

The first four 1,2,3,4, are the four spirits that roam the Earth.

7 th.Thunder vertically is mystery Babylon White horse winner on Earth.
6 th. Thunder vertically is man.on Earth
5.th. Thunder vertically is Babylon Fallen Preaching to the Earth.

4.th. Thunder vertically is The word on the Earth.
3 rd. Thunder vertically is witnesses on Earth.
2 nd. Thunder vertically is union with Christ on Earth.
1 st. Thunder vertically is White horse ,winner with Christ on Earth.

5,6,7 is the consequences of the word .The trinity on Earth

even a
Fundamentalist Should see that lay ed out.To not see that, is a disservice,two the author.
look how the victory lines up at the top.
look how the winepress's line up ,next down.
look at Earth Quakes and the Great river line up horizontally.
look at the promised White clothed protection line up horizontally.
look how come up my people lines up with come out my people.
look how the seals,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 line up with the trumpets,and vials line up with each other.
look how wormwood on water,blood on water,line up
look how burning mountain in sea ,and blood on sea ,line up.
look how the two Babylons line up with each other.
look how The Thunders start with a White Horse,and end with a White horse .

And that is just ten item's,there are gemartria connections yet to them all ..

walt2000
 
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The bible says take it to the church ,well I am taking it to the church ,Prove it wrong. Google my name walt2000 Read and see how they prove me wrong ,they do not prove anything to be wrong they ban me ,for being right.
I hate to be blunt, but I am right ,and you can not prove me wrong.Think of it as a challenge.
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Have ya by any chance thought about changing coffee brands then ^_^

Changing brands? :eek: Blasphemer!:liturgy: Dark roast is good enough for Heaven, so it's good enough for here! ;) Repeat after me:
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
tulc(repeat as often as is needed) :cool:
 
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Try to work my version out then call it wrong.walt2000

uhmmm again what I was questioning was your belief that everyone else BUT you was wrong. I found that hard to believe. :sorry: See the difference? :confused:
tulc(it's not that hard to understand really) :)
 
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I hate to be blunt, but I am right ,and you can not prove me wrong.Think of it as a challenge.

uhmmm ok, how can something that's going to happen in the future be proven wrong/right in the now? :confused:
tulc(always seems to get into these sorts of discussions when he wanders into this fora) :sorry:
 
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uhmmm ok, how can something that's going to happen in the future be proven wrong in the now? :confused:
tulc(always seems to get into these sorts of discussions when he wanders into this fora) :sorry:

If I had a nickel for everyone I've met in the last 30 years who had their own special "lock" on the book of Rev. I'd a quit this gig long ago...but taking $ in relation to my faith is against my religion...;)

A friend of mine once had a chart system that showed he was the only one who was going to be saved...go figure...;) It can be a lonely life in heaven particularly if you're the only occupant.
 
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Changing brands? :eek: Blasphemer!:liturgy: Dark roast is good enough for Heaven, so it's good enough for here! ;) Repeat after me:It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

tulc(repeat as often as is needed) :cool:
100 points for the Dune reference! love it!



If I had a nickel for everyone I've met in the last 30 years who had their own special "lock" on the book of Rev. I'd a quit this gig long ago...but taking $ in relation to my faith is against my religion...;)

A friend of mine once had a chart system that showed he was the only one who was going to be saved...go figure...;) It can be a lonely life in heaven particularly if you're the only occupant.
Reminds me of a saying I read once... don't be too shocked at some of the people you'll find in heaven... some of them will be wondering why YOU are there.



As for the OP, my endview is not fixed. I know that Jesus returns. Bible is clear on that. Dead wil rise, we will be judged.

the exact order of this matters very little to me. Jesus has prepared a place for us, and that's where were going at the end of it all.

I would LOVE to be pre trib... Getting snatched up to heaven without having to go through the tribulation? I'm all for it! However, the more I look, the less supported by scripture that seems. Why would Christ warn them of the horrible things that would have to happen, if all believers aren't going to be there anyways?

again though, I don't mind, one way or the other... It's God's plan, and it' perfect, whether we get it or not.
 
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100 points for the Dune reference! love it!
Reminds me of a saying I read once... don't be too shocked at some of the people you'll find in heaven... some of them will be wondering why YOU are there.

It's hard for me to think "how" I or any will think "then." I certainly DON'T know. Apart from our present and various influences, some of which I happen to enjoy multiple times over like caffein and DUNE, well...sitting on a cloud playing a harp doesn't seem like much fun if there is such a thing as fun...;)

As for the OP, my endview is not fixed. I know that Jesus returns. Bible is clear on that. Dead wil rise, we will be judged.

I pretty much gave up on the whole end times deal long ago. There's just too much hype being peddled to the masses and THEN there are guys like Walt and a gazillion others who just happen to have THE ONE AND ONLY locked solid version. I really feel for these people. They can get really really out there all by their lonesome. Kinda like the people who will argue for days on end whether a certain word means to LAP water or to SIP water from the Gideon's warriors at the river accounts....It's like some people just love to ALIENATE themselves from others over these issues. However my religion does not allow me to BLAME THEM...;)

the exact order of this matters very little to me. Jesus has prepared a place for us, and that's where were going at the end of it all.

I know exactly what's going to happen. I just ain't tellin'...;)

I would LOVE to be pre trib... Getting snatched up to heaven without having to go through the tribulation? I'm all for it! However, the more I look, the less supported by scripture that seems. Why would Christ warn them of the horrible things that would have to happen, if all believers aren't going to be there anyways?

It's an interesting read for sure. In reading the messages to the churches it may appear to some to be a warning to the workings of SATAN in the churches..."where Satan's seat is."

again though, I don't mind, one way or the other... It's God's plan, and it' perfect, whether we get it or not.

I'm totally with you on that one. Besides, who wants to know everything anyway? Too much for me to want to deal with in any case. Let God be God and hope for the best for everyone in the end. If Walt for example goes to his grave being the only one right but in the process ticked off everyone he encountered, does that mean he WON?

We can have all things right and without LOVE we'd not have had much if anything at all.
 
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