What is your "endtime" view?

[LamorakDesGalis]

How would you describe your "endtime" view?

You don't have to defend your view - just explain it briefly. Or explain it with as much detail as you want. It can be a common view, a modified view or even a view unique to you. If you are thinking of possibilities or even don't have a view, then that's fine to post anything along those lines. I suspect there is a lot of diversity in this forum...

I do ask that posters refrain from attempts to attack or disprove other views in this thread. Heck, you have the rest of the eschatology forum to do that if you want! This thread should be descriptive and explanatory of the various views.

Feel free though to ask questions or ask for definitions of terms. A lot of people aren't familiar with the variety of end-times views and terms that are out there...


LDG

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

End-time view:
My end-time view is the standard dispensational view. That is, a belief in the pretribulational rapture and a (future) premillennial reign of Christ on earth.

Organization or denominational background:
I'm a long-time member of a non-denominational Bible church. Most of the members are also premillennial dispensationalists. Before the Bible church, I was a member of the overwhelmingly amillennial Church of Christ. That made for some interesting discussions from time to time.

Other thoughts on end-times:
I have never held any other end-time view beside the dispensational pretrib/premil view. However I've had many interesting and profitable conversations with folks who hold different views than mine. I'm pretty certain I've covered all the major ones, and a good number of the minor ones (including full preterists).


LDG

 

[Logus]

I tend to follow/accept the pre-mill, pre-trib view. That said, I'm not concrete on it. Reason being that while we're told to be expectant, I also know we shouldn't live fatalistically. It's a line that sadly, many who study and think about the end-times and Christ's return focus too much energy on, to the detriment of themselves and their contacts.

With that in mind, as well as the common sense grounding that interpretations of others, much less my own, may be incomplete or incorrect, I'm open for some leeway in my views and opinions on eschatology. Thus I've come to accept the probability of an Islamic "paradigm" over a Roman one. Also, I'm open to the idea that the pre-trib view may be incorrect, even the potential that the rapture may be pure figurative speech.

Arguments against a rather literal take on eschatology due to some of the fantastical passages leads me to counter with the understanding that if we believe that a multitude of Messianic prophecies in the OT were literally fulfilled with Christ's birth and life, then we must also be open to the potential of many Old and New eschatological prophecies can be literally fulfilled too, not just allegorical or figurative in nature.

If we believe that God created this world and had a hand in one way or another in the affairs of man as described in the Bible... If we believe that Christ was wholly man and wholly God at the same time, much less that He performed great miracles, much less physically died and rose again, then we should not have so much difficulty as to believe the possibility of an actual rapture as well as a literal Tribulation, a literal, final Antichrist and a literal Armageddon.

We must be prepared, and we must be open to the possibility that our views are flawed. Neither should we focus purely on the end-times in our daily walk, and certainly not as we witness and preach the Gospel. The Gospel is a stumbling block, but there's no reason for us to come off to people like we're followers of Heaven's Gate or Branch Davidians, etc, because then we're just shooting ourselves and our witness in the feet.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

My view is post tribulational . Tons of scripture that backs this up, but like you said, there are other Eschatology forums for this, and besides, I'm tired of debating this after many years. People will find out eventually on their own anyway

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

How would you describe your "endtime" view?

My view is most of the Olivet discourse and Revelation are fulfilled. How much of each I can't determine.
I do view the Great City in Revelation as OC Jerusalem/Temple and the fulfillment of much of the Olivet Discourse.

[And no, I do not want to debate that here on this thread. ]

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet to-be-becoming/ginesqai <1096> (5738) these-things, up-bend!, and lift up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the loosing/redemption of ye [Daniel 12/Reve 19,20]

Reve 16:17 and the seventh one pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out Voice, great, out of the sanctuary from the throne saying :it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754).

 

[Nilloc]

I've been an Orthodox (Partial) Preterist for a few months now. While there can be many varieties within Orthodox Preterism, I believe that most Bible prophecy was fulfilled by the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, but I still believe passionatley in a future bodily visible Second Coming of Christ, bodily Resurrection of the dead, Final Judgement, and God's New World. I'm not completely solid on my Millenial view yet; I would probably lean towards Postmillenialism at this point.

Good thread idea btw.

 

[walt2000]

There is only one true interpretation of Revelations.
Google
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walt2000 ,on this sight ,can tell you that you should leave it alone.walt2000

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There is only one true interpretation of Revelations.
Google
walt2000

Another words, the Revelation according to walt2000?
Sign me up then!!!

 

[tulc]

I'm a pan-tribulationist, have been for several years now.
tulc(feel it best fits my end times views)

 

[walt2000]

http://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117180&d=1221074721
LittleLambofJesus You have it ,It is Christs interp. not
walt2000

 

[walt2000]

Things Which are
Some thing more for
LittleLambofJesus
And there is one more Thunder later.
Remember this is for
LittleLambofJesus Because he or she asked.no body else look at this.
walt2000

 

[tulc]

Things Which are
Some thing more for
LittleLambofJesus
And there is one more Thunder later.
Remember this is for
LittleLambofJesus Because he or she asked.no body else look at this.
walt2000

...oh no...I looked!
tulc(sorry, couldn't resist)

 

[Epiphoskei]

1) Jesus comes back,

followed quickly by

2) Jesus fixes everything.

I have suspicions beyond that, but I'm not absolutely convinced of anything besides this.

(Ok, so I don't oversimplify, I suppose I should clarify that by "fixes everything" I believe in the judgement of the dead, the ressurrection of the body, and the life everlasting, and the other simple Christian basics.)

 

[Markea]

I'm basically the pre-trib and future millennial reign of Christ on earth type of view. Tons of OT scripture still unfulfilled with respect to Israel... the only non-Gentile nation on earth... We're still in the times of the Gentiles and that will be the case until Rev 11:15 comes to pass... which pertains to things which shall be hereafter.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm basically the pre-trib and future millennial reign of Christ on earth type of view. Tons of OT scripture still unfulfilled with respect to Israel... the only non-Gentile nation on earth... We're still in the times of the Gentiles and that will be the case until Rev 11:15 comes to pass... which pertains to things which shall be hereafter.

That country is full of "Gentiles/non-Jews" from what I can see though I could be wrong.

 

[Markea]

That country is full of "Gentiles/non-Jews" from what I can see though I could be wrong.

It doesn't mean that the country does not have Gentiles... I thought that would be obvious. The point is that Jews are NOT Gentiles... and Gentiles are NOT Jews...

1 Corinthians 10:32 speaks of the distinction between the Jew, the Gentile, and the church of God..

This is fundamental imo...

 

[tulc]

It doesn't mean that the country does not have Gentiles... I thought that would be obvious. The point is that Jews are NOT Gentiles... and Gentiles are NOT Jews...

1 Corinthians 10:32 speaks of the distinction between the Jew, the Gentile, and the church of God..

This is fundamental imo...

...does that mean the USA is non-gentile? There are several million more Jews here then in Israel.
tulc(just wondering)

 

[heavensblade23]

Waiting for convincing proof we're in the End Times.

 

[Markea]

...does that mean the USA is non-gentile? There are several million more Jews here then in Israel.
tulc(just wondering)

America is a Gentile nation in the biblical context... as is every nation on earth except Israel... and Jerusalem is the city of the great King... it is where our Saviour and Lord Jesus Christ will rule the nations from, in that Day... the Day of Jesus Christ...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

America is a Gentile nation in the biblical context... as is every nation on earth except Israel... and Jerusalem is the city of the great King... it is where our Saviour and Lord Jesus Christ will rule the nations from, in that Day... the Day of Jesus Christ...

I would venture to say the Jews have a very loooooong wait for that.

Interesting thread on the "Den of Heathens" board:

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7255036&page=7
How much longer do we have to wait before Jesus returns?