What is your end-times view?

[LamorakDesGalis]

What is your end-time view?

I'm interested to know what are the variety of views for those in this forum - or actually, for anyone who comes across this thread. It is not necessary for you to defend it - just state it and/or explain it a bit. Because no one is required to defend their view, I strongly prefer that no one attack another's view in this thread.

Is this the same view or different than the one that your church or denomination holds? Have you always held your view? And, have you held or considered or looked at different other options for end-time views other than the one you hold?

I'll describe mine:
I hold to a pretribulation, premillennial position. I pretty much have always held this view, even while in the Church of Christ for many years. The Church of Christ has primarily taken a basic amillennial position, and some are a bit hostile toward premillennialism in general. For many years now I have attended a Bible Church where my view is the most common view. I have studied a lot of different end-time views in detail, and have come to appreciate these different views - even though I do not agree with all of what they say.


LDG

 

[JoelParks]

Pre-trib, Pre-millennial.

 

[NumberOneSon]

My current view is orthodox preterism. I've held this view for about 6 years now. I grew up in a church that didn't teach much on eschatology. I learned about futurism during a Bible study on the End Times my freshman year in college, and pretty much thought that's what everyone in the Church believed. So I started out as a futurist, and I completely disagreed with preterism in any form when I first heard about it (I even emailed Dr. D. James Kennedy to warn him about having R.C. Sproul teach during his radio show because he is a preterist, lol), but now I'm a preterist. So I can look at scripture through a futurist viewpoint as well as a preterist one and understand where both sides are coming from.

None of the Churches I have attended would hold the preterist viewpoint. They may not be against it, but I don't think anyone at those Churches have preteristic beliefs that I know of anyway.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[FenderElctrc]

I just read an article on Pretribulation. It sounds like my view. It's what the Bible says. I believe what the Bible says.

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

I am an orthodox/partial preterist and amillennialist.

I believe that Christ inaugurated the millennial kingdom and messianic age in his crucifixion and resurrection, that the genres of prophecy and apocalyptic are highly symbolic, and that all that remains are a series of tribulations, a final antichrist, the second coming of Christ, a general resurrection of the dead, a universal judgment, and the consumation of the kingdom that leads into eternity.

Quite simple, and quite precisely what the Nicene Creed says.

No new temple, no rapture, no specific seven years, so resurrection of a murdered antichrist, the mark of the beast was the Roman dinari, the beast of Revelation was Nero, Mark 13 refers to the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70, Revelations 11 refers to the escape of the Jewish Christians from the Seige of Jerusalem out to the mountains of Pella (also referenced in Mark 13), Daniel 9 was fulfilled through events of the books of Maccabees and the worship of imperial standards in the temple before its destruction, Ezekiel 40-48 are conditional promises that were passed over in the person of Christ, and no spiritually meaningful physical reinstatement of ethic, unbelieving Israel to Palestine.

Just tribulation, resurrection, second coming, judgment, and eternity. Really quite simple.

 

[timlamb]

I believe prophecy fulfilled is visable in hind sight. The prophecy of the comming of the Messiah, of His life and death and ressurection are very clear to us today, but those who knew the old prophets best did not interpret correctly in Jesus day.

Jesus spoke of the distruction of 70 ad, but He also spoke of a distruction that could not have happened yet.

I believe most prophecy to be litteral with the exception of a few things John could not discribe with the knowledge of his day so he painted a mental image. It is obvious when he says it "is" and says "is Like". We see a distorted picture, as "in a mirror" but when we see face to face it will be exactly as it was told to us.

In end times prophecy, I am certain of nothing because I do not have to be. I trust the Lord; if I die or suffer for Him I will praise Him, if I am taken and spared from that, I will praise Him.

Personally, I believe in the pretrib rapture. I think most people get a distorted view of it when they view it as a "coming", it is better discribed as an appearing. He merely steps into time to take what is His, but otherwise does nothing to disrupt the order of things. When He comes in wrath and judgment to rule, that is the second coming.

The Millennium, the final judgment, it is all clear and uncomplicated, it just happens. It is after the second coming so we have nothing to worry about.

The more I learn the bigger God gets and that is how it should be. If I underline a couple dozen scripture and claim to know the will of God absolutely, concerning anything, my idea of God is too small. If I judge another for their beliefs then I am in danger of being judged in the same mannor so I am going to be alot more sure than I am right now before I say anyone is wrong.

That is not to say there are no absolutes, scripture is full of them. I believe prophecy of the end time was to assure us that Christ will return and righteousness will persever to the end. It is told to give us hope not to divide us.

We have read the book and we know how it ends, whether we understand how we get there or not, we win!!

I am going to check out other threads, see ya later, or maybe in the clouds!!

Tim

 

[lecoop]

"pre-trib," but most folks don't understand when the "trib" or Daniel's 70th week really starts.

1st 5 seals: history to us now

NOW

6th seal - great earthquake - Rapture - cosmic signs

Intermission: between 6th and 7th seal:
sealing of 144,000
Church seen in heaven, after the rapture

7th seal: silence as heaven prepares for the 70th week.

First six trumpets, first 1260 days of 70th week

7th trumpet: marks the exact midpoint of the week.
Abomination takes place
Satan is cast down from the heavens
Remnant flees into wilderness
Beast sets up mark (soon after abomination)

After an indeterminite time, God starts pouring out the vials of His wrath, called plagues. They are designed to stop the beasts from their persecution, and "shorten" those days.

7th vial "marks" the end of the 70th week
total destruction of the world system as we know it.
Cities around the globe destroyed, as the world's worst earthquake takes place.
Earthquake? Probably when the old testament saints are resurrected!

Wedding in heaven.

Jesus and church get on white horses!
As Jesus splits the sky, as lightning shining from east to west, He sends out His angels:

Parable of the tares
Parable of the dragnet
one taken and one left: taken straight to hell!

Then "elect" are gathered by angels: Israel from all over heaven and earth!

Battle of Armageddon

Jesus sets up His throne

Judgement of the nations

Start of Millennial Reign

Coop

 

[childofGod31]

I used to be pre-trib all my life, but after studying some more, recently, I converted to post trib, and I believe in 1000 year literal reign.

 

[Your Neighbor]

Origins of the Three Interpretations

Historicism - The Protestant Interpretation

Futurism - The Secret Rapture Hoax

Preterism - The Problems With Preterism

 

[Gwenyfur]

 

[phoenixgw]

Some interesting links I found re: prophecy.

http://www.ellisskolfield.com/
http://www.evenmore.co.uk/prophecy/antichrist.html
http://www.triumphpro.com/end_of_days_and_final_countdown.htm

 

[Parousia]

What is your end-time view?

I'm interested to know what are the variety of views for those in this forum - or actually, for anyone who comes across this thread. It is not necessary for you to defend it - just state it and/or explain it a bit. Because no one is required to defend their view, I strongly prefer that no one attack another's view in this thread.

Is this the same view or different than the one that your church or denomination holds? Have you always held your view? And, have you held or considered or looked at different other options for end-time views other than the one you hold?

I'll describe mine:
I hold to a pretribulation, premillennial position. I pretty much have always held this view, even while in the Church of Christ for many years. The Church of Christ has primarily taken a basic amillennial position, and some are a bit hostile toward premillennialism in general. For many years now I have attended a Bible Church where my view is the most common view. I have studied a lot of different end-time views in detail, and have come to appreciate these different views - even though I do not agree with all of what they say.


LDG

Sorry, I can't give you mine. I guess now you know what it is!

Parousia

 

[HaNotsri]

I have a bit of a mix

In general I like Reformed theologians like R.C. Sproul, however I do have sharp disagreements.

I have both partial-preterist and dispensational tendencies.

I BELIEVE

That much of the prophecies spoken of in the New Testament regarding the destruction of Jerusalem and the abomination of desolation culminated at 70 AD

The prophecies or events spoken of in the early portions of Revelation were also fulfilled during that time period as well. I also believe that Revelation is highly symbolic

However, I do not believe in Covenant theology. I trust that there is a difference between Israel and the Church (and that there is a remnant of Israel within the Church, i.e. Messianic Jews, Jewish Christians, whatever you want to call them) and do believe in a future established earthly kingdom in which Christ reigns from Jerusalem

I do believe in a third Temple (I am not going to debate Ezekiel 40-48 here in order to stay on topic with the OP) during that reign

I am not sure how long that period of the earthly kingdom shall last (hence, I don't know if I believe in a literal 1,000 year period or not)

I DO NOT BELIEVE

In seven year covenants scenarios

The rise of the anti-Christ scenarios (that a lot of pre-trib, disp follow)

Hyperliteral interpretations of Revelation

 

[NumberOneSon]

Hey Neighbor, what did the OP say about not attacking another's view? This thread is about sharing what your views are, not trying to show why someone elses beliefs are wrong. Unbelievable.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[Your Neighbor]

Hey Neighbor, what did the OP say about not attacking another's view? This thread is about sharing what your views are, not trying to show why someone elses beliefs are wrong. Unbelievable.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

I shared my view (post-trib, historic premill) and never stated in the thread why someone else's beliefs were wrong. You would have to bother yourself to actually click on a posted link and do further study.

Here's what the OP requested:

I strongly prefer that no one attack another's view in this thread.

 

[Eila]

I lean pre-trib, but think my view is summed up with an "I don't know". I used to be post-trib and honestly don't think anyone has it all right.

 

[Covenant Heart]

Of the preterist, the futurist, the continuo-historical and the ideal views, I tend toward the last as the most correct.

Blessings
Covenant Heart

 

[progressivegal]

partial preterist and amillennialist here also.

 

[OhhJim]

I shared my view, and never stated in the thread why someone else's beliefs were wrong.

I think that a reasonable person would interpret the words "hoax" and "problem with" as a belief that those views are wrong. Perhaps you are unclear on the definition of the word "hoax"?

 

[NumberOneSon]

I think that a reasonable person would interpret the words "hoax" and "problem with" as a belief that those views are wrong. Perhaps you are unclear on the definition of the word "hoax"?

Exactly. The express purpose of this thread was to find out what the variety of views were on this forum. It was a chance to simply get to know one another without having to worry about defending or refuting positions.

Hey Neighbor, posting links that call Futurism's Rapture doctrine a "Hoax" and posting a link dissecting the "Problems with Preterism" isn't sharing your End Times position, but it is a backdoor attempt at refuting someone elses. Please, spare me with the Pharisaical parsing of words; you posted links showing why "someone else's beliefs were wrong" on a thread that expressly asked you just to share your own viewpoint. If you can't see what's wrong with that then you're blind.

In Christ,

Acts6:5