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I think we all agree. Sometimes a little arm twisting needs to happen first but we all agree...
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I think we all agree. Sometimes a little arm twisting needs to happen first but we all agree...The point of the parable is the soil, which is the disposition of man, which is dead in trespasses and sin until the new birth.
I suspect he will if he disagrees. . .and even if he doesn't disagree.
Agreed. . .except for the good soil, which is regenerate man.I think you may be comparing apples with oranges. All the different places in the Parable describe the state of unregenerate man.
It is just the good ground that has been suitably prepared by the Holy Spirit. The hard path is where the Gospel has been immediately rejected, so the Holy Spirit hasn't had a chance to do anything. The shallow ground is where the Holy Spirit hasn't had a chance to do a deep work of repentance in the person, and the ground where weeds have grown up and choked the word is where the person has not allowed the Holy Spirit to do the continual work of sanctification and perseverance in the person.
"Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works" (Romans 4:6).I disagree. Post your verse.
That's not what Jesus actually said in His explanation of the Parable to the disciples. You can't make Jesus say what you want Him to say.The point of the parable is the soil, which is the disposition of man, which is dead in trespasses and sin (Ephesians 2:1) until the new birth.
"Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works" (Romans 4:6).
When Adam disobeyed God's command and ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, God declared him sinful, and the aging and propensity to sin were the result. When a person is converted to Christ, God cancels out the former imputation, and replaces it with a new crediting of the righteousness of Christ.
Not so. The good soil is that which has been prepared by prayer and seeking God in His Word, so that when the seed of the Gospel is sown, the person can receive it, and through believing the Gospel and receiving Christ as Saviour, the person is then regenerated by the Holy Spirit.Agreed. . .except for the good soil, which is regenerate man.
Are you sure about that?That's not what Jesus actually said in His explanation of the Parable to the disciples.
Areed. . .we don't need to do that. . .Jesus already has.You can't make Jesus say what you want Him to say.
Jesus' own explanation of the soils are in terms of the people you hear the word of God, it's about the dispositions of men, only the good soil being that of the born again.You are correctly quoting
Ephesians 2:1, but that is not what Jesus is saying in the Parable.
Romans 5:12-21 makes it fairly clear:Oscarr I`m talking about Adams sin imputed which in the remark I am responding to you appear to say it is imputed.
The Parable is not primarily about the soils. It is about what happens to the seed when it falls on different types of soil. I am resisting merging Calvinist theology with the Parable.Are you sure about that?
Jesus explains why he speaks in parables in Matthew 13:10-16,
he does not explain the meaning of the parable.
Jesus explains the meaning of the parable in terms of the soils in Mark 4:13-20; Luke 8:11-15.
Areed. . .we don't need to do that. . .Jesus already has.
The soils are about the dispositions of men, only the good soil being that of the born again.
Not according to John 3:3, John 8:47; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Romans 8:7-8.Not so. The good soil is that which has been prepared by prayer and seeking God in His Word, so that when the seed of the Gospel is sown, the person can receive it, and through believing the Gospel and receiving Christ as Saviour, the person is then regenerated by the Holy Spirit.
The person is not regenerate before being born again of the Spirit. A person is unregenerate before believing the Gospel and being converted to Christ. Saying that someone is regenerate before the seed of the Gospel is sown is putting the cart before the horse.
Romans 5:12-21 makes it fairly clear:
"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for fall men. For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Paul is saying that through Adam's disobedience, the many were made sinners. What this means is that God invoiced every descendant of Adam with the debt of sin. God made them sinners until the debt was paid. This is why Jesus, just before He died on the Cross, said, "It is finished", the Aramaic meaning, "The debt is paid". Jesus paid the debt of sin owing by every person, but the condition of it being made active was that the person needed to put their trust in Christ, repent of their sin, and allow the Holy Spirit to convert them to Christ. As a result, the righteousness of Christ is credited to the person. The file is stamped, "Paid in full."
Paul says that even if people sin in ways different to how Adam sinned, they are still counted as sinners by God's decree. So, the only way that the decree can be cancelled is through repentance of sin and faith in Christ. The word "imputed" may not have been used, but the meaning is still there in the Romans passage.
You are in disagreement with Jesus in Mark 4:13-20; Luke 8:11-15.The Parable is not primarily about the soils.
Good for you, but irrelevant in light of John 3:3, John 8:47; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Romans 8:7-8.It is about what happens to the seed when it falls on different types of soil.
I am resisting merging Calvinist theology with the Parable.
Jesus teaching is for those who have ears to hear. (Mark 4:23; Luke 14:35)
Only those who belong to God can hear. (John 8:47; Acts 13:48)
Rebirth is not salvation, faith is salvation.
The Holy Spirit raises the human spirit from spiritual death to spiritual life in the rebirth.
Then everything begins. . .faith, salvation, justification, adoption.
The yoke is the grace of salvation (remission of sin) in Jesus Christ by faith rather than by works.
Rebirth itself is not salvation, faith is salvation. There is no saving faith apart from rebirth.
Yes, rebirth. . .then faith. . .then salvation (remission of sin). . .then justification. . .then adoption
(making you a legal co-heir in Christ's inheritance). . .and all can be in the twinkling of an eye.
I say you are 100% correct. . .he was saved by his faith, as is every believer. . .which faith is a gift (Philippians 1:29; 2 Peter 1:1; Acts 13:48, Acts 18:27; Romans 12:3).
What about:Since this seems to have some importance to you I just reviewed the scriptures and find nothing to indicate Adams's sins are imputed to us. So no there's is no truth to it.
If we are under the Law, the law can impute sin and faith will impute righteousness. But no one is responsible for the sins of someone else and that includes Adams's sins.
the Bible says sin and death entered because of Adam. That refers to aging and the flesh nature.
Better to quote these references in full rather than making me look them up. I'm feeling lazy at the moment.
Same as my last posts. Quote your references in full, otherwise I don't know what you are talking about. I always quote passages in full out of respect for those reading my posts. I want to make things as easy as possible.You are in disagreement with Jesus in Mark 4:13-20; Luke 8:11-15.
Good for you, but irrelevant in light of John 3:3, John 8:47; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Romans 8:7-8.
And not good for you when it requires you to disagree with Jesus in Mark 4:13-20; Luke 8:11-15.
How is disagreeing with Jesus better than the "Calvinism" you deny?
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