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What is wrong with being "sex-negative"?

Paradoxum

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No.

It is the opposite of sex-positivism. It is not subscribing to "as long as it is between consenting adults it is good".

So if you oppose the legalization of prostitution, you are sex-negative.

If you oppose the pornography industry in any way, you are sex-negative.

If you think that sexual promiscuity is unhealthy, you are sex-negative.

Well if your against legalizing prostitution, that seems a rather oppressive and authoritarian position. It's not surprising that you'd annoy people.

If it's their body, isn't it their choice what they do with it (in private)? If their body isn't their choice in private, isn't that similar to slavery?

Because people are jerks.

This is really no one else's business, what you don't do. I can see some people, especially those who are attracted to you and those in the first flush of raging hormones, being curious but as long as you don't try to prescribe for others, they should leave you alone. :groupray:

From how LOVEthroughINTELLECT describes it, being sex-negative is prescribing a way of life for others, or even forcing it on people by law.
 
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We have alot of slavery in the USA:

Revocation of passport (which resticts movement) and possible jail time for failure to pay child support or student loans. "We" have decided as a socity that this is ok behavior but its still debt slavery.

Compulsory to sign up for the draft upon turning 18 for men

Compulsory to show up for jury duty, if you fail too you can be arrested and held against your will.

Anytime you can have your movement restricted by the government or the govt allows a third party to restrict your movement for reasons other than capital felony offences its slavery.

The arguemnt is that women only engage in prostitution becuase they are desperate, but in reality anyone that has to get a crumby job to pay their bills is in the same sitatuion. There are plenty of jobs that are dehumanizing and humiliating that dont involve sex.

It all boils down to control and who is pulling the strings at the top and what their agenda is. We are living in crony capitalisim where the govt chooses the winners and the loosers.

Well if your against legalizing prostitution, that seems a rather oppressive and authoritarian position. It's not surprising that you'd annoy people.

If it's their body, isn't it their choice what they do with it (in private)? If their body isn't their choice in private, isn't that similar to slavery?



From how LOVEthroughINTELLECT describes it, being sex-negative is prescribing a way of life for others, or even forcing it on people by law.
 
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Asexuality can be either a lack of sexual interest at all or a lack of sexual attraction to others. Most asexuals I have talked to have experienced a lack of sexual interest.

Asexuality is much more common on the autism spectrum. In fact I'd guess the majority of asexuals have some autistic traits. Not necessarily severe, of course, and many asexual historical figures lived productive lives. In the past, in most of Europe or the US, asexual men usually were not regarded as odd or sinful (indeed, their singleness usually afforded them more oppurtunities for participation in other interests and activities), but sometimes asexual women could be perceived as spinsters, especially in Protestant countries.

Back to the wider topic... most societies are "sex-negative" to some degree. In the natural state unaided by technology (and even with technology to some degree), sex is a physically risky activity, especially for women, and there are also emotional complications arising from sex, so mores and customs have developed to regulate sexuality. This is the consensus among many anthropologists today.

In marriage. And it is a western (false) intrepretation that makes one see ambivalence to marriage in the NT.

1 Cor 7 commands regular sex between marriage partners. .

I don't know about that... read within the context of Paul's overall theology about love, I don't see how that could be taken as a commandment, more like a suggestion. In most developed countries today that are predominantly Christian, a spouse has no inherent right to sex, and marital rape is recognized as a reality.
 
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No.

It is the opposite of sex-positivism. It is not subscribing to "as long as it is between consenting adults it is good".

So if you oppose the legalization of prostitution, you are sex-negative.

If you oppose the pornography industry in any way, you are sex-negative.

If you think that sexual promiscuity is unhealthy, you are sex-negative.
I don't think it's good to force that by law on other people, but I'd love to see the porn that destroyes young kids get banned. It's okay to forbid porn with kids, but let kids watch adult porn, yeah well, nothing you can do about it, the adults want the right to watch it. When there was no internet and you couldn't get that stuff before you were 18 it was better. I saw a former hooker, they are just forced to do it, it's awful, yet they make it seem like it's all freedom of choice.
 
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In most developed countries today that are predominantly Christian, a spouse has no inherent right to sex, and marital rape is recognized as a reality.

That is NOT the culture of the bible. In bible times the wife had a right to sex. (not the husband)

Remember in western society, women did not even have a (medically recognized) sex drive until about 1900.
 
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That is NOT the culture of the bible. In bible times the wife had a right to sex. (not the husband).

What evidence do you have for that? The assumption of bronze age Hebrew culture, like many others, was that the wife is property of the husband. It's only later among Jews and Christians, studying their scriptures in a broader way, do they come to the conclusion that men and women are equal, and even here in varies from religious group to religious group (Orthodox Jewish males still have a prayer thanking God they were not born a woman).

Levirite laws do not count in this discussion, because it has to do with begetting children not sex per se, so I'm confused where you get the idea that the Old Testament establishes that women have a right to sex.
 
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What evidence do you have for that? The assumption of bronze age Hebrew culture, like many others, was that the wife is property of the husband. It's only later among Jews and Christians, studying their scriptures in a broader way, do they come to the conclusion that men and women are equal, and even here in varies from religious group to religious group (Orthodox Jewish males still have a prayer thanking God they were not born a woman).

Levirite laws do not count in this discussion, because it has to do with begetting children not sex per se, so I'm confused where you get the idea that the Old Testament establishes that women have a right to sex.
I am not considering leverite marriage in this discussion.

I AM considering the Mishnah and Talmuds. They offer a good view of first century Judaism and probably back several centuries before that. The Mishnah lists (pulled from historic marriage contracts) how often a husband was to offer sexual satisfaction to his wife, based on his occupation. It also says the wife can sue in a rabbinic court to make him change professions if he is in one that is not giving her enough. (like a sailor or traveling merchant) Many occupations that did not involve travel or were not physically too taxing it was supposed to be every day. In 1 Cor 7 Paul writes that abstaining "for a season for prayer" was allowable. The grandfather of his mentor Hillel stated in the previous century that it was allowable for a maximum of one week. His contemporary Rabbi Shammai said 2 weeks max.

As to the OT justification for that, it comes from Ex 21. While talking specifically about slave wives, the priests and later the rabbis reasoned if God was concerned about the sexual satisfaction of slave wives, how much more was He concerned with free wives?

7 “If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.
8 If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her.
9 If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters.
10 If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights.

He not only cannot stop having sex with her, he cannot even reduce the frequency.

There is no such verse anywhere in the OT that says a wife has to have sex with her husband. So the priests and rabbis considered a husband's satisfaction to be unimportant.

BTW - wives were NEVER considered "property" in Jewish culture. It is probably the ONLY bronze age culture that did not function that way.
 
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Assuming you are reading them correctly, The Talmud and Mishnah do not reflect the actual context of the biblical books (as they were compiled during the early middle ages), so are only limited utility in understanding the original authors and redactors of biblical texts. That's the whole point after all of the historical-critical method widely accepted by Protestants as the normative method for understanding scriptures, to understand the original author's meaning through their context
 
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I have literally never heard the term until you just used it here (at which point I googled it and apparently the wiki article on it has been around for 5 years :confused: ).

It sounds like a jargonised version of calling someone "puritanical", or a neutral alternative to "prude", but to be honest it sounds just plain old naff.

As for why such values are attacked? I'd say it is pretty simple; we live in a thoroughly carnal society, so people who object to that are unpopular.

Why is it singled out from Conservatism? Perhaps because "conservatism" has become an abused term that is used to cover all manner of things that are not remotely conservative in the actual meaning of the word.

^^^ this, and i'll go one step further.

Most likely the terminology was coined by those who wished to remove the concept and all discussion of sexuality from a moral, religious, or political basis, and who instead wanted to address the subject only on a morally neutral basis...thus removing the concepts of right or wrong, the prejudices associated with morality, and all the consequences of their actions.
 
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The Talmud and Mishnah do not reflect the actual context of the biblical books
No, they don't. But they do accurately reflect how the Jewish culture understood the OT and how they set about to walk in obedience.

One thing NOT understood by catholics, orthodox or protestants is the method of oral tradition in Jewish society. It produced a very accurate passing on of information covering many centuries.

That was demonstrated very well by the Yemenite Jews who had been cut off from the rest of the world from about 135 ad to 1948. So they missed the writing of the talmuds etc, and still what they passed on by word of mouth was very close to the mishnaic and talmudic writings.
 
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Another side note. Look up the Shakers. All that remains of them is nice furniture. Pretty good craftsmen, but very sex negative. But dancing was OK!
As of 2012, there were still three remaining.
 
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Another side note. Look up the Shakers. All that remains of them is nice furniture. Pretty good craftsmen, but very sex negative. But dancing was OK!

As an asexual and childfree Christian myself, I admire them. I was thinking about visiting their museum when a little bit of this six feet of snow melts.

I would say I lean towards the sex-negative category myself. The exchange of fluids and gross odors - yeah, I'm good.
 
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As an asexual and childfree Christian myself, I admire them. I was thinking about visiting their museum when a little bit of this six feet of snow melts.

I would say I lean towards the sex-negative category myself. The exchange of fluids and gross odors - yeah, I'm good.

Actually I can live with your honest version. It is the not honest version, those who dislike of fear sex but pretend their aversion is based in being moral (and more moral than the rest of us) that I cannot stand.

Lewis made some comments on the differences in one of the chapters of The Screwtape Letters.
 
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I am writing in the United States of America. I am writing in a country with a political tradition that respects different ideologies, respects people for their viewpoints, and allows the invisible hand to work in a free market of ideas. In other words, most people do not believe that there is anything wrong with, say, being a conservative. Some people being conservatives is how the system works, and most people respect and appreciate that.

But it seems that a significant number of people have no tolerance for, let alone respect for, those who are sex-negative.

Sex-negativism is at worst an ideology of human sexuality.

Subscribe to conservatism and people will simply disagree with your ideas. Subscribe to sex-negativism and people treat it like it is a personal flaw/defect and will attack you personally. Why?
I fail to understand. If you are not into sex, that is between you and any potential romantic interests. Many people aren't into sex for periods of life or their entire life.

If you are opposed to other people having sex, that is a problem that belongs to you. I am not a fan of imposing personal beliefs on the lives of others.
 
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First, I never said how I subjectively feel about anything. I stated what I believe to be the objective facts and asked why those are the facts. Some of us are just practicing philosophy, sociology, etc. and trying to find the truth, believe it or not. The replies saying that I am being oppressive are probably some of the most asinine words that I will ever hear. Not only are they pathetic ad hominems, they distort the meaning of sex negativism.

Second, sex positivism and sex negativism, as defined in this thread, are not personal feelings about sex. They are ideologies about human sexuality. Both, in my opinion, are bad because they politicize sex.

I think that subscribing to sex positivism while completely disrespecting sex negativism is hypocritical.

But maybe there is something that some of us do not know that makes sex negativism something to be completely rejected. Maybe it is a conspiracy to rid the world of sex.
 
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We have alot of slavery in the USA:

Revocation of passport (which resticts movement) and possible jail time for failure to pay child support or student loans. "We" have decided as a socity that this is ok behavior but its still debt slavery.

Compulsory to sign up for the draft upon turning 18 for men

Compulsory to show up for jury duty, if you fail too you can be arrested and held against your will.

Anytime you can have your movement restricted by the government or the govt allows a third party to restrict your movement for reasons other than capital felony offences its slavery.

The arguemnt is that women only engage in prostitution becuase they are desperate, but in reality anyone that has to get a crumby job to pay their bills is in the same sitatuion. There are plenty of jobs that are dehumanizing and humiliating that dont involve sex.

It all boils down to control and who is pulling the strings at the top and what their agenda is. We are living in crony capitalisim where the govt chooses the winners and the loosers.

Well I'm not sure some of those are so bad.
 
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