What is wrong in Mexico?

[TLK Valentine]

Yes, but for other people.

Right -- and the people who have that wealth (hint: It's not the immigrants) aren't going to think too kindly on having fewer people to produce it for them.

 

[bhsmte]

Those who seek the truth and life in Jesus and freedom and salvation in Him
are persecuted in most countries including in Mexico.

In any country where they may find sanctuary, it is sheer grace to do so, and temporary.

What truth?

 

[TLK Valentine]

...to fill labor demand.

The problem, IMO, is not too many people. Rather, our workforce skills are not aligned with the needs of our employers.

Indeed -- our employers need hordes of people willing to do menial unskilled labor for an hourly pittance, but our current standard of living is such that you're not going to find nearly enough people willing/able to do that kind of work for the low wages required for the bosses to how a desired profit.

Along come the immigrants... problem solved.

 

[wing2000]

Indeed -- our employers need hordes of people willing to do menial unskilled labor for an hourly pittance, but our current standard of living is such that you're not going to find nearly enough people willing/able to do that kind of work for the low wages required for the bosses to how a desired profit.

Along come the immigrants... problem solved.

......that's been the pattern since our country was founded. Immigrants simply have greater incentive too work hard and understand the value of our low wages. And as the decades passed, each new wave of immigrants were vilified....

Over the last 3 decades, U.S. employers (of all sizes including the current occupant in the WH), have exploited illegal labor. Remove the illegal hiring practices and illegal immigration solves it self.

 

[TLK Valentine]

......that's been the pattern since our country was founded. Immigrants simply have greater incentive too work hard and understand the value of our low wages. And as the decades passed, each new wave of immigrants were vilified....

Over the last 3 decades, U.S. employers (of all sizes including the current occupant in the WH), have exploited illegal labor. Remove the illegal hiring practices and illegal immigration solves it self.

Ah, but then the bosses don't get their ridiculously high bonuses... can't have that, now can we?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

...to fill labor demand.

The problem, IMO, is not too many people. Rather, our workforce skills are not aligned with the needs of our employers.

But the needs of our employers is use technology to compete with cheap labor overseas and to reduce labor costs here. This is a downward spiral for our workers, skilled and unskilled.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The idea of America being full is absolutely laughable. You have vast amounts of space with hardly anyone living there. All it actually means is some people think they should be allowed to have large tracts of empty land just for themselves and their family. It has absolutely nothing to do with any actual shortage of anything.

We need vast tracts of 'empty' land for food production, recreation, and just to escape from the masses and the cities.

 

[TLK Valentine]

But the needs of our employers is use technology to compete with cheap labor overseas and to reduce labor costs here. This is a downward spiral for our workers, skilled and unskilled.

Right -- but politicians need more than an enemy; they need an enemy with a face.

Automation is a difficult target for the Two Minutes' Hate -- immigrants are easy.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Right -- but politicians need more than an enemy; they need an enemy with a face.

Automation is a difficult target for the Two Minutes' Hate -- immigrants are easy.

We can't afford either, immigrant labor or 'labor saving' technology, in the sociological sense.

 

[Kentonio]

We need vast tracts of 'empty' land for food production, and recreation.

Recreation? That’s funny. Many other countries get by just fine with far higher population densities. Just because you like having vast open spaces to go play in, doesn’t mean you need them.

 

[TLK Valentine]

We can't afford either, immigrant labor or 'labor saving' technology, in the sociological sense.

That's two "problems" that need solving: one difficult, the other impossible.

You could adopt a strict isolationist strategy and bar immigration entirely... it's been tried, even when successful, it never ended well.

As for barring technology, well -- good luck with that. Stopping that kind of progress is like trying to beat back the ocean with a mop.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That's two "problems" that need solving: one difficult, the other impossible.

You could adopt a strict isolationist strategy and bar immigration entirely... it's been tried, even when successful, it never ended well.

As for barring technology, well -- good luck with that. Stopping that kind of progress is like trying to beat back the ocean with a mop.

Jes' sayin'.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Recreation? That’s funny. Many other countries get by just fine with far higher population densities. Just because you like having vast open spaces to go play in, doesn’t mean you need them.

It's good for the soul, and besides God says it's good for us to get away from it all now and then. The way it's going there will be no place to do that.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Jes' sayin'.

sayin' is easy -- but it's thinkin' and doin' that gets results.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

sayin' is easy -- but it's thinkin' and doin' that gets results.

The only authority I have is over my own life. I can make suggestions however.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The only authority I have is over my own life. I can make suggestions however.

Then go ahead -- make a suggestion. (saying "it's x's fault" is assigning blame, not making a suggestion)

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Then go ahead -- make a suggestion. (saying "it's x's fault" is assigning blame, not making a suggestion)

Both blame and solution are implicit.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Both blame and solution are implicit.

Blame is explicit; try harder on the solution.

Sure, we could build the wall -- and then the companies that rely on cheap labor will simply abuse the numerous loopholes in out immigration system to get the labor they need.

And automation? I've yet to hear you or anyone else posit a way to stop people from thinking and inventing.

 

[mark46]

We need vast tracts of 'empty' land for food production, recreation, and just to escape from the masses and the cities.

The US is one of the LEAST densely populated countries in the world. European countries are 5-10 times as densely populated.

Population density by country - Thematic Map - World

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Blame is explicit; try harder on the solution.

Sure, we could build the wall -- and then the companies that rely on cheap labor will simply abuse the numerous loopholes in out immigration system to get the labor they need.

And automation? I've yet to hear you or anyone else posit a way to stop people from thinking and inventing.

The solution: We need fewer people, with more skills, not more people, with fewer skills.