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What is True Messianic Breaking of Bread?

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This resource as well. Nehemia Gordon, Karaite Jew
Beginning or End of the 14th?
The Torah commands that the Passover sacrifice be brought "In the First Month on the Fourteenth Day of the Month between the two evenings" (Leviticus 23:5). It is unclear from this verse whether what is being referred to is the period of dusk at the beginning of the 14th or the period of dusk at the end of the 14th. Leviticus 23:6 continues that the Feast of Unleavened Bread is "on the Fifteenth Day of this month". From this verse it appears that the Passover Sacrifice is to be brought at sunset at the end of the 14th and eaten on the night of the 15th. This is confirmed by Deuteronomy 16:4, which commands us regarding the Passover Sacrifice: "and there shall not remain of the meat that you slaughter at evening on the first day until the morning." We see that the entire Paschal lamb must be consumed on the following night it is slaughtered and none of it may be left over until the morning (see also Exodus 12:10, 22). For our purposes what is significant is that the verse describes the Passover sacrifice as being slaughtered "at evening on the first day".
http://www.nehemiaswall.com/passover
 
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He also rode into Jerusalem 4 days prior to His crucifixion. A type or image of that was the way the Jews set apart what they determined to be their best lamb to carefully examine it 4 days prior to it's sacrifice by the Priest.
Palm Sunday. I had no idea what that meant until studying The Feast Days.
Oh, I had totally missed this! Thank you, Grafted In.
However I still believe they are missing what the Jewish Messiah was really meaning in his parable. I think when we view these things from the first-century Jewish idioms, and the scriptures that say Jesus/Yeshua almost always spoke in parables, it becomes clear that he was rather teaching spiritual truth for the new testament.
I think you may be corrected and that your book may be edifying to them.
 
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This resource as well. Nehemia Gordon, Karaite Jew
Beginning or End of the 14th?
The Torah commands that the Passover sacrifice be brought "In the First Month on the Fourteenth Day of the Month between the two evenings" (Leviticus 23:5). It is unclear from this verse whether what is being referred to is the period of dusk at the beginning of the 14th or the period of dusk at the end of the 14th. Leviticus 23:6 continues that the Feast of Unleavened Bread is "on the Fifteenth Day of this month". From this verse it appears that the Passover Sacrifice is to be brought at sunset at the end of the 14th and eaten on the night of the 15th. This is confirmed by Deuteronomy 16:4, which commands us regarding the Passover Sacrifice: "and there shall not remain of the meat that you slaughter at evening on the first day until the morning." We see that the entire Paschal lamb must be consumed on the following night it is slaughtered and none of it may be left over until the morning (see also Exodus 12:10, 22). For our purposes what is significant is that the verse describes the Passover sacrifice as being slaughtered "at evening on the first day".
http://www.nehemiaswall.com/passover

Hank I really like Nehemiah and think he has a lot of interesting things to say but I believe he is definitely missing it on this point. The Jewish writers of the Talmud were very clear that the legal time for the Passover sacrifice was on the 14th day, from noon until sunset. Here below is one of their quotes where they talk about the need for removing the leaven (Chometz) before the legal time for the Passover, which came at the sixth hour, noon:

The disciples of R. Ishmael taught: The reason that Chometz must be removed on the 14th (of Nissan) (the eve of Passover) is because that day is referred to as the first day (of the festival) in the passage [Exod. xii. 18]: “In the first, on the fourteenth day of the month, at evening shall ye eat unleavened bread,” etc.

Rabha said: “The reason may be inferred from the passage [Exod. xxxiv. 25]: ‘Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall be left unto the morning the sacrifice of the feast of the passover,’ which signifies, that the Passover sacrifice must not be offered up as long as there is yet leaven.” If that be the case, then it might be said that the leaven should be burned by each man immediately before offering his passover sacrifice; why designate the sixth hour? The passage means to state, that when the time for the Passover sacrifice arrives, there must no longer be any leaven on hand.

(End quote, and all these quotes with their footnotes can be found in my chapter “Between the Evenings”)

Eminent Jewish historian Josephus, who was born a few years after the Messiah’s death wrote a complete Jewish history, and he also says the Passovers were in the afternoon period, he writes:

So these High Priests, upon the coming of that feast which is called the Passover, when they slay their sacrifices, from the ninth hour until the eleventh, but so that a company not less than ten belong to every sacrifice, (for it is not lawful for them to feast singly by themselves), and many of us are twenty in a company. (end quote)

In their idiom the 9th to the 11th hours was from 2:00 to 5:00 in the afternoon period. This historian would have looked very ignorant for what he wrote if In his day the Passovers were really sacrificed at sunset as the 14th day ends. The Jewish Encyclopedia also clearly agrees with the Talmud and Josephus, saying: "The time “between the two evenings” (“ben ha-’arbayim”) was construed to mean “after noon and until nightfall.”

The daily “evening” sacrifice were also commanded by God to be “between the evenings” and Josephus shows us that they understood this time in his day:

And any one may thus learn how very great piety we exercise towards God, and the observance of his laws, since the priests were not at all hindered from their sacred ministrations by their fear during this siege, but did still twice a day, in the morning and about the ninth hour, offer their sacrifices on the altar (end quote)

And we see proof of this in the new testament scriptures as well, where Peter and John are going up to the Temple at the time of this evening sacrifice:

NAS Acts 3:1 Now Peter and John were going up to the temple at the ninth hour, the hour of prayer.

The Greek actually says the hour of “the prayer” and this was the prayer time where they would all be gathered for at the Temple during the incense offering, which followed the daily “evening” sacrifice, and the “ninth hour” they speak of is exactly the same as what Josephus said. I think much of the confusion stems from our English word “evening”, which often refers to night time, the last hours of our day. But to the Jews the word they used also referred to the last few hours of their day, but their day ended at sunset, it for them the word they used was the afternoon period before the day ended. So the verse Nehemiah quotes (Deut 16:4) saying “and there shall not remain of the meat that you slaughter at evening on the first day until the morning" needs to be understood with that same understanding. It was the “evening” (last several hours) of the 14th day, as the 15th day approached. And this is why they were also rushing to get Yeshua (our Passover) off the cross and in the tomb before the high Sabbath of the 15th day arrived.
 
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Hoshiyya, I had not seen you had posted this, but please consider my post number 103 above.
Edit just added: PS Hoshiyya, when I saw Hanks link to Nehemiah, I thought that was the link you had referenced, but now that I click the link you had up I see it was another more accurate link, so I apologize for this false alarm!
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The Jewish writers of the Talmud were very clear that the legal time for the Passover sacrifice was on the 14th day, from noon until sunset.
So I wonder, does God follow the schedule of the Talmudic Jews or His own instructions in Torah? I believe the Torah, but I am not sure about the interpretation per Torah either.
As far as the Lord's Supper being the Feast of Unleavened Bread, to be eaten on the 15th, I don't see how it could have been. The Church teaches that Jesus was celebrating it early on the 14th and crucified on the 14th, but that never really sat right in my thinking. Your pointing out the difference in the Greek words used for the bread set this straight for me.
 
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So I wonder, does God follow the schedule of the Talmudic Jews or His own instructions in Torah? I believe the Torah, but I am not sure about the interpretation per Torah either.
As far as the Lord's Supper being the Feast of Unleavened Bread, to be eaten on the 15th, I don't see how it could have been. The Church teaches that Jesus was celebrating it early on the 14th and crucified on the 14th, but that never really sat right in my thinking. Your pointing out the difference in the Greek words used for the bread set this straight for me.
Hank, I'm not sure why you ask if God follows the writers of the Talmud, because I sure don't believe that. I was only showing that all the main histories around the time of Christ agree on the timing of the Passover sacrifice, as I think that means something. And when we see it aligns with the scriptures than it means even more. And I agree with you that some in the church teach that Jesus celebrated it when the 13th day ended, just as the 14th day began. Others, like the RCC believe that Jesus ate the 14th Passover on Thursday at the last supper, and was crucified on Good Friday the 15th day. And a third group believes that the last supper was Wednesday and the ressurrection was Saturday. If you or anyone would be interested to see the proof I lay out for the late Wednesday last supper, Thursday crucifixion, and Sunday ressurrection they can read that chapter here: http://themessianicfeast.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/TMF_Template-Challenge.pdf

I also show there what I believe is the proof of why the other options do not fit the template for that Jewish feast, nor do they fit the scriptures. All the best Hank and thank you.
 
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Hank, I'm not sure why you ask if God follows the writers of the Talmud, because I sure don't believe that. I was only showing that all the main histories around the time of Christ agree on the timing of the Passover sacrifice, as I think that means something. And when we see it aligns with the scriptures than it means even more. And I agree with you that some in the church teach that Jesus celebrated it when the 13th day ended, just as the 14th day began. Others, like the RCC believe that Jesus ate the 14th Passover on Thursday at the last supper, and was crucified on Good Friday the 15th day. And a third group believes that the last supper was Wednesday and the ressurrection was Saturday. If you or anyone would be interested to see the proof I lay out for the late Wednesday last supper, Thursday crucifixion, and Sunday ressurrection they can read that chapter here: http://themessianicfeast.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/TMF_Template-Challenge.pdf

I also show there what I believe is the proof of why the other options do not fit the template for that Jewish feast, nor do they fit the scriptures. All the best Hank and thank you.
This reminds me of an analogy I recently heard. To use your text it would go like this.

Three Christians walk into a room. The first believes Jesus celebrated the Passover when the 13th day ended, just as the 14th day began, the second thinks Jesus ate the 14th Passover on Thursday at the last supper, and was crucified on Good Friday the 15th day and the third believes that the last supper was Wednesday and the resurrection was Saturday.

Does that make one Christian righteous and the other two wicked or does that mean one Christian is correct and the other two are wrong?

I know this is a bit off topic, but the same analogy can be applied to numerous topics, even the topic of your book.
 
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This reminds me of analogy I recently heard. To use your text it would go like this.

Three Christians walk into a room. The first believes Jesus celebrated the Passover when the 13th day ended, just as the 14th day began, the second thinks Jesus ate the 14th Passover on Thursday at the last supper, and was crucified on Good Friday the 15th day and the third believes that the last supper was Wednesday and the resurrection was Saturday.

Does that make one Christian righteous and the other two wicked or does that mean one Christian is correct and the other two are wrong?

I know this is a bit off topic, but the same analogy can be applied to numerous topics, even the topic of your book.

If the three have different views, only one of them (at maximum) can be correct.
Righteousness has nothing to do with it.

If Hitler says 2+2=4, and Rabbi Akiva says 2+2=5, Hitler is right. But not righteous.
 
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This reminds me of an analogy I recently heard. To use your text it would go like this.

Three Christians walk into a room. The first believes Jesus celebrated the Passover when the 13th day ended, just as the 14th day began, the second thinks Jesus ate the 14th Passover on Thursday at the last supper, and was crucified on Good Friday the 15th day and the third believes that the last supper was Wednesday and the resurrection was Saturday.

Does that make one Christian righteous and the other two wicked or does that mean one Christian is correct and the other two are wrong?

I know this is a bit off topic, but the same analogy can be applied to numerous topics, even the topic of your book.
Wouldn't that be the same as the Pharisee, Sadducee, and Essene watching to see which Passover Yeshua participated in?
 
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Three Christians walk into a room. The first believes Jesus celebrated the Passover when the 13th day ended, just as the 14th day began, the second thinks Jesus ate the 14th Passover on Thursday at the last supper, and was crucified on Good Friday the 15th day and the third believes that the last supper was Wednesday and the resurrection was Saturday.

Only three possibilities ;)
 
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Wouldn't that be the same as the Pharisee, Sadducee, and Essene watching to see which Passover Yeshua participated in?
The same recognized Passover Feast of Unleavened Bread that Yelshua had previously participated in with His disciples for the past two years or for that matter since He was a young man. There is nothing in the NT to suggest that Yeshua had ever participated in a Passover celebration that was unorthodox :)

That's why Alex decided after years of research to write a book explaining in detail why the "Last Supper" was more of a regular meal with leavened bread.

Would be interested to know if Alex thinks "3 days and 3 nights" is possibly a RCC mistranslation. Rome believed a day begins in the morning and not at dusk. Does Alex have reason to believe that Yeshua more likely said, "3 nights and 3 days" ???
 
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This reminds me of an analogy I recently heard. To use your text it would go like this.

Three Christians walk into a room. The first believes Jesus celebrated the Passover when the 13th day ended, just as the 14th day began, the second thinks Jesus ate the 14th Passover on Thursday at the last supper, and was crucified on Good Friday the 15th day and the third believes that the last supper was Wednesday and the resurrection was Saturday.

Does that make one Christian righteous and the other two wicked or does that mean one Christian is correct and the other two are wrong?

I know this is a bit off topic, but the same analogy can be applied to numerous topics, even the topic of your book.
Norbert as I read your post I was hoping for a funny punchline at the end! But I would totally agree with Hoshiyya, and hopefully not too many agree with the first option. But I guess the more I think about it history shows that the first option is what is usually followed. A church or group forms a belief system, builds a fence around it, and shoots arrows at anyone with a different view. I think what the Messiah taught and what the scripture teaches is that every person has a legal right to believe what they think is truth, yet at the same time each one should be open to new truth, or seeing things a different way. One big reason for that is that in the end of days, which I believe we are in, the scriptures speak of the Lord raining down a latter rain, that in Hebrew can also mean a teaching rain. We don't need teaching from the Lord if we already have every point straight, so we see each other as brothers and sisters in the Lord, the one spiritual body, and we keep presenting views based on the scriptures, learning from each other, but allow each one to make their own decisions. And as the scripture says certain truths are here a little and there a little, and we are to "rightly divide the word of truth."
 
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The same recognized Passover Feast of Unleavened Bread that Yelshua had previously participated in with His disciples for the past two years or for that matter since He was a young man. There is nothing in the NT to suggest that Yeshua had ever participated in a Passover celebration that was unorthodox :)

That's why Alex decided after years of research to write a book explaining in detail why the "Last Supper" was more of a regular meal with leavened bread.

Would be interested to know if Alex thinks "3 days and 3 nights" is possibly a RCC mistranslation. Rome believed a day begins in the morning and not at dusk. Does Alex have reason to believe that Yeshua more likely said, "3 nights and 3 days" ???
I agree AbbaLove with what you say about Yeshua always keeping the regular Passovers, and I believe the Israelite history is clear that there was always only one Passover. They were very careful with God's Temple laws (ready to stone Paul when they thought he brought an uncircumcised man into the Temple) and the Temple authorities would never allow various factions to come into the Temple and sacrifice illegal Passovers, outside the legal time. The theory of various Passovers is another creation to somehow explain how Yeshua/Jesus could supposedly eat a Passover at the last supper, then be the Passover the following day as the rest of the nation had their Passover. There is no history for such a thing and it never could have happened. And the way I see the three days and three nights can be seen in the charts and explanations on pages 383-393: http://themessianicfeast.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/TMF_Template-Challenge.pdf
And thank you much!
 
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Yes Visionary, they have some good points, and unlike many Christian sites they have the correct understanding of the Hebrew "between the Evenings" meaning the period after noon and before sunset.
They seem to say that the first Passover was in the "evening" but successive Passovers were in the "afternoon" due to the Lev. 23:5 reference where it says "between the evenings" in Hebrew. Personally I do not see God giving two different times for the Passover anywhere? The first Passover was also commanded to be sacrificed "between the evenings" as Young's Literal Translation brings out:
YLT Exodus 12:6 'And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings;

And when they say there are many questions on the Messiah's "early seder" and other "numerous questions" concerning how those last few days events took place, I hope they will consider my book because I believe it answers those questions.
 
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Wouldn't that be the same as the Pharisee, Sadducee, and Essene watching to see which Passover Yeshua participated in?
We weren't there to watch them watch Yeshua, the person that I am best equipped to watch is myself in a relationship with Yeshua.
Norbert as I read your post I was hoping for a funny punchline at the end! But I would totally agree with Hoshiyya, and hopefully not too many agree with the first option. But I guess the more I think about it history shows that the first option is what is usually followed. A church or group forms a belief system, builds a fence around it, and shoots arrows at anyone with a different view. I think what the Messiah taught and what the scripture teaches is that every person has a legal right to believe what they think is truth, yet at the same time each one should be open to new truth, or seeing things a different way. One big reason for that is that in the end of days, which I believe we are in, the scriptures speak of the Lord raining down a latter rain, that in Hebrew can also mean a teaching rain. We don't need teaching from the Lord if we already have every point straight, so we see each other as brothers and sisters in the Lord, the one spiritual body, and we keep presenting views based on the scriptures, learning from each other, but allow each one to make their own decisions. And as the scripture says certain truths are here a little and there a little, and we are to "rightly divide the word of truth."
I know of some funny punchlines, there is a substantial thread in this forum dedicated to humor. http://www.christianforums.com/threads/just-kiddin.7609445/

Looking at the long history of Christianity, I don't see any little here or there with a monopoly of rightly dividing the word of truth. Given the nature within man, I would highly suspect that if the quartodecima teaching had won out, the history of the church would of been no better. Jews are just as capable of killing other Jews and Gentiles, as Gentiles are just as capable of killing other Gentiles and Jews, all in the service of God.

We are in the best position to see a world wide church today, a present day type of temple, where the warnings in Jude and that of 2 Peter 2:1-3 are living as those scriptures state. I believe growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Yeshua Messiah starts with the most certain evidence that it is Yeshua that has come in the flesh. May God keep us in His name while keeping us from our own imaginations. It's a life long process.

One last thing about the idea of "the end of days, which I believe we are in", how far in are we? Given the observable data where the huge and vast majority of persons pushing the idea that the Lord will return in somewhere surrounding their lifetime are now buried -> for generations. Obviously some men will be around as scripture states (Matthew 7:22), but why should it necessarily mean us? Given the prophesy by Yeshua about His body, that in 3 days He will raise His temple. The bride may take a longer time, given the two become one flesh and the day for thousand years scripture, Christianity may be in for a much longer time than we suspect. However much more urgency is required than just pondering this thing alone, as scripture warns,

“Today, if you hear God’s voice,
don’t harden your hearts, as you did in the Bitter Quarrel,”

There should be no ‘My master is taking his time coming,’ either.
 
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And when they say there are many questions on the Messiah's "early seder" and other "numerous questions" concerning how those last few days events took place, I hope they will consider my book because I believe it answers those questions.
Speaking of "numerous questions" the Jewish calendar could be off by as many as 200+ years (since Adam) according to the Torah Creation Calendar based on NASA's scientific calculations. Would you agree that even a difference of fifty years over the past 5776 years (Adar I, 5776) is not only possibile, but likely. The actual Hebrew date could be much closer to 5876 or even 5976 (a difference of 200 years).

The Torah Creation Calendar indicates that "three days and three nights" occurred on Sunday with the crucifixion taking place on the fifth day of the week, THURSDAY in order for the "the Risen Lamb of Elohim" to take place on Nisan 17, SUNDAY. For example in 23 CE ... http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y23M1

This date is plausible as "ImmanuEl" was born a few years before the death of Herod the Great (4 BCE to 1 BCE). Assuming the crucifixion occurred on the fifth day of the week (Thursday) in 23 CE that would translate to "ImmanuEl" being born around 10-9 BCE. TCC is in agreement with your interpretation of "3 days and 3 nights" with Passover on the fifth day of the week and the Resurrection on the first day of the week. However, TCC always shows "First Fruits" occurring 2 days after Passover, so with Passover (Nisan 14) falling on Thursday, TCC shows "First Fruits" occurring on Saturday ... any idea WHY some Jews teach/believe "First Fruits" is 2 days from/after Passover instead of 3 days?

" charts and explanations on pages 383-393: http://themessianicfeast.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/TMF_Template-Challenge.pdf " (charts on 383 & 389) :)
 
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Looking at the long history of Christianity, I don't see any little here or there with a monopoly of rightly dividing the word of truth. Given the nature within man, I would highly suspect that if the quartodecima teaching had won out, the history of the church would of been no better. Jews are just as capable of killing other Jews and Gentiles, as Gentiles are just as capable of killing other Gentiles and Jews, all in the service of God.
Norbert I agree with you on that, and I think the new world order will show that forth.
I also agree that nobody has a monopoly on truth, except the Lord, but I believe the scriptures show that He wants us to yield to the Holy Spirit so that we can come into all truth:
John 16:13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth;

My reason for bringing out the truth of what happened with the Quartodecimans is not to say one group is red hot, and the other is all shot. It is merely to explain how something that almost all the churches believe, that Jesus/Yeshau ate the Passover at the last supper, was not what the original believers believed. And what happened to the "Fourteenthers" explains how that doctrinal change took place. At the same time, I will always view those who try to hold to God's truth and walk with God as the "good guys" and those who kill them as the "bad guys."
I think holding to truth is super important. It's like the Israelites in the wilderness going through the encampments towards the promised land, if they had stopped at encampment #30, and said "we are good here Lord" they never would have made it into the promised land.
I think it is also human nature to somewhat root for what you are. If you grew up in Green Bay you are probably a Packer fan. If in Seattle you are probably a Seahawk fan. When the two teams play and its a close call by the ref and it goes for Seattle, every one on Seattle's side claps and is sure it was a good call, while most all on Green Bay's side boos and thinks it was a bad call.
As believers we have to go beyond that and if we are on team A and team B finds a new truth in scripture that really fits the puzzle we need to be big enough to say "hey people, I think team B has a good point here."
I believe the Messiah taught that truth was extremely important:
Matthew 13:12-13 12 "For whoever has, to him shall more be given, and he shall have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. 13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables...

I'm guessing you agree with most of that but I just wanted to say why I tried to explain the "Fourteenther" history in the true light. We know that scripture truth is important and historical truth can also be very important especially when it sheds light on how we got where we are, and how we can keep moving towards what the Lord wants. All the best to you.
 
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This date is plausible as "ImmanuEl" was born a few years before the death of Herod the Great (4 BCE to 1 BCE). Assuming the crucifixion occurred on the fifth day of the week (Thursday) in 23 CE that would translate to "ImmanuEl" being born around 10-9 BCE.
AbbaLove, I have not researched out every aspect of the calendar so I don't have anything to add on our possible calendar being off by 200 years, but I have heard that idea before. Here is a footnote from page 307 on your other point:

Astronomical science shows that a Passover full moon occurred on Thursday, the 14th of Nisan,
in the year AD 30. Jesus was approximately 33½ years old at death, having begun his 3½-year
ministry at about age 30 (Luke 3:23). Scholars mostly agree that Rome was off by a couple of
years in estimating the beginning date of our calendar, so when taking into account the “zero
year” (between 1bc and ad1), Jesus would have been born around 4bc. He did not make it to
his 34th birthday, which would have been around September or October of 30ad.
(end quote)
I think this is important because that would mean (as page 307 and 308 explain) that Yeshua fulfilled the prophecy of Daniel of being cut off in the midst of the week, and also by putting a stop to offering and sacrifice. This occurred 40 years to the day after the crucifixion when the Temple was attacked by the Romans on Passover in 70ad, and the sacrifice and offering stopped. And the number 40 is often important in scripture.
As for the "first fruits" occurring two days after Passover, I go over that in three or four different places in the book. The nutshell version is that at some point in time (I think soon after the crucifixion, but I'm not certain) the Pharisees and the Sadducees had a well known dispute (that is written about in their history) as to what day was required for the first fruits offering. The Sadducees said the scriptures meant it should be the morning after the regular Saturday Sabbath, and the Pharisees said that what was meant (in Lev. 23:11, 15, 16) was not the Saturday Sabbath but morrow (morning) of the 15th day Sabbath (the high Sabbath that always followed the 14th day Passover sacrifice, and the same one in which they were trying to get Yeshua off the cross and into the tomb before it arrived). When Josephus wrote (born about 7 years after the crucifixion, and writing after the Temple was destroyed in 70 ad) he said the first fruits was always on the 16th day, showing that during his life the Pharisees interpretation was followed. But the history shows that the Pharisees had some traditions that made void the word of God. I believe the Sadducees were correct here, and that Yeshua fulfilled this by his resurrection on the morrow of the Saturday Sabbath. I sure appreciate your heart to seek truth and dig down into these things!
 
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AbbaLove, I have not researched out every aspect of the calendar so I don't have anything to add on our possible calendar being off by 200 years, but I have heard that idea before. Here is a footnote from page 307 on your other point:

Astronomical science shows that a Passover full moon occurred on Thursday, the 14th of Nisan,
in the year AD 30. Jesus was approximately 33½ years old at death, having begun his 3½-year
ministry at about age 30 (Luke 3:23). Scholars mostly agree that Rome was off by a couple of
years in estimating the beginning date of our calendar, so when taking into account the “zero
year” (between 1bc and ad1), Jesus would have been born around 4bc. He did not make it to
his 34th birthday, which would have been around September or October of 30ad.
(end quote)
I think this is important because that would mean (as page 307 and 308 explain) that Yeshua fulfilled the prophecy of Daniel of being cut off in the midst of the week, and also by putting a stop to offering and sacrifice. This occurred 40 years to the day after the crucifixion when the Temple was attacked by the Romans on Passover in 70ad, and the sacrifice and offering stopped. And the number 40 is often important in scripture.
As for the "first fruits" occurring two days after Passover, I go over that in three or four different places in the book. The nutshell version is that at some point in time (I think soon after the crucifixion, but I'm not certain) the Pharisees and the Sadducees had a well known dispute (that is written about in their history) as to what day was required for the first fruits offering. The Sadducees said the scriptures meant it should be the morning after the regular Saturday Sabbath, and the Pharisees said that what was meant (in Lev. 23:11, 15, 16) was not the Saturday Sabbath but morrow (morning) of the 15th day Sabbath (the high Sabbath that always followed the 14th day Passover sacrifice, and the same one in which they were trying to get Yeshua off the cross and into the tomb before it arrived). When Josephus wrote (born about 7 years after the crucifixion, and writing after the Temple was destroyed in 70 ad) he said the first fruits was always on the 16th day, showing that during his life the Pharisees interpretation was followed. But the history shows that the Pharisees had some traditions that made void the word of God. I believe the Sadducees were correct here, and that Yeshua fulfilled this by his resurrection on the morrow of the Saturday Sabbath. I sure appreciate your heart to seek truth and dig down into these things!

There are 2 ways of looking at it. 2 days after Passover AND the morrow after the weekly Sabbath of Passover which would always be on a Sunday as would Shavuot (Pentecost). The Eastern Orthodox have always followed the Sunday Tradition. In those 40 years after 30 AD to 70 AD, the Talmud says strange things happened in the Temple...doors would not close, the western light of the Menorah would not stay lit, the lot always came up black, and the crimson strip stayed red.

''Come, let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet [crimson], they shall be white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as [white] wool'' (Isaiah 1:18).

"Said Rabban Yohanan Ben Zakkai to the Temple, 'O Temple, why do you frighten us? We know that you will end up destroyed. For it has been said, 'Open your doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour your cedars' " (Zechariah 11:1)' (Sota 6:3).

Every night for forty years the western lamp went out, and this in spite of the priests each evening preparing in a special way the western lamp so that it would remain constantly burning all night!" (The Significance of the Year CE 30, Ernest Martin, Research Update, April 1994, p.4).
 
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