What is there to fear?

[Hawkins]

And how is accepting deviance in doctrine within Christianity not a double standard?

The Bible can basically categorized into two parts, 1) the salvation message, 2) other information as knowledge

Daniel 12:4 (NIV)
But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

God allows the knowledge part to be deviated to form the various denomination. However, God doesn't allow the first part to be deviated as a deviated salvation message won't save. Thus a deviation in the salvation message is a heresy instead of a denomination. Other religions have the same effect of a heresy in that they don't save.

 

[Jane_Doe]

The Bible can basically categorized into two parts, 1) the salvation message, 2) other information as knowledge

Daniel 12:4 (NIV)
But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

God allows the knowledge part to be deviated to form the various denomination. However, God doesn't allow the first part to be deviated as a deviated salvation message won't save. Thus a deviation in the salvation message is a heresy instead of a denomination. Other religions have the same effect of a heresy in that they don't save.

Are you aware that one of the differences between Christian denominations is what they consider necessary for salvation?

 

[Hawkins]

Are you aware that one of the differences between Christian denominations is what they consider necessary for salvation?

That depends on considered by whom? God?

Basically, God has established a basic standard for an earthly church to be identified as having the salvation effect. That is the Apostle's Creed. Moreover, some Christians are gifted to smell a heresy from a usual denomination.

 

[Jane_Doe]

That depends on considered by whom? God?

Elaborating on my point: different Christian denotations consider different things as required for salvation.
Some consider just reciting the Sinner's Prayer sufficient.
Some also include an honest open heart to Jesus as a requirement.
Some also include trying to live your life as a disciple of Christ.
Some also include baptism.
Some also include other rites.
Some also include other knowledge as a requirement (such as proper understanding of the Trinity).
Some also include abiding by Creed's XYZ.
Some also include abiding by Creed's XYZ & ABC.
Some believe that salvation in conditional.
Some believe that once-saved-always-saved.

There is a huge variety of beliefs.

Basically, God has established a basic standard for an earthly church

And Christians will disagree on what is meant by this statement- for instance, is this church visible or invisible?

Moreover, some Christians are gifted to smell a heresy from a usual denomination.

???? Huh?

 

[juvenissun]

And how is accepting deviance in doctrine within Christianity not a double standard?

I don't know how to answer this nebulous question. It must be more specific.
What deviance are you talking about?

 

[Jane_Doe]

I don't know how to answer this nebulous question. It must be more specific.
What deviance are you talking about?

In post #8 you stated that Christians have no room for different doctrine.
In post #19 you stated that it's ok for Christians to have different doctrine within themselves.

I'm seeing a doubt standard here.

 

[juvenissun]

Elaborating on my point: different Christian denotations consider different things as required for salvation.
Some consider just reciting the Sinner's Prayer sufficient.
Some also include an honest open heart to Jesus as a requirement.
Some also include trying to live your life as a disciple of Christ.
Some also include baptism.
Some also include other rites.
Some also include other knowledge as a requirement (such as proper understanding of the Trinity).
Some also include abiding by Creed's XYZ.
Some also include abiding by Creed's XYZ & ABC.
Some believe that salvation in conditional.
Some believe that once-saved-always-saved.

There is a huge variety of beliefs.

The unique requirement is: to accept Jesus as God and the only Savior.
The rest may be right or may be wrong, but it does not matter to the Salvation.

What does the Mormon require for the Salvation? Does Mormon recognize Jesus is God and the only Savior?

 

[juvenissun]

In post #8 you stated that Christians have no room for different doctrine.
In post #19 you stated that it's ok for Christians to have different doctrine within themselves.

I'm seeing a doubt standard here.

It seems to be. But it is not.
That is why we should talk about specifications to see how different is the different doctrine. Do you have a specific example of the "different doctrine"? I don't think there are many out there. May be fewer than 10. It won't take much time to go through them one by one.

 

[Jane_Doe]

The unique requirement is: to accept Jesus as God and the only Savior.

Catholics would disagree with you on this.
Many Baptists would disagree with you on this.
Many non-denoms would disagree with you on this.

Does Mormon recognize Jesus is God and the only Savior?

Yes. I remember a particular day when I really did, age 7.

 

[Jane_Doe]

It seems to be. But it is not.
That is why we should talk about specifications to see how different is the different doctrine. Do you have a specific example of the "different doctrine"? I don't think there are many out there. May be fewer than 10. It won't take much time to go through them one by one.

There are over >35,000 different Christian denominations. Going through them all would take a looooooooooooooooooong time.

 

[Hawkins]

There are over >35,000 different Christian denominations. Going through them all would take a looooooooooooooooooong time.

Still one can identify them before he joins the church, right? You don't need to go through all 35,000 church in order to decide to join on of them, do you?

I failed to see your point here.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Still one can identify them before he joins the church, right? You don't need to go through all 35,000 church in order to decide to join on of them, do you?

I would agree with this statement.

However, a person whom believes that doctrine must be 100% true for it to have any merit, logically must go through them all.

 

[Hawkins]

I would agree with this statement.

However, a person whom believes that doctrine must be 100% true for it to have any merit, logically must go through them all.

No one ever did that. So do you mean that no one can be saved simply because no one has ever gone through the 35,000 denomination to identify them one by one.

Still I don't see what your point is. People are kept to be saved on a daily basis regardless if someone has actually gone through the 35,000 denominations.

 

[Jane_Doe]

No one ever did that. So do you mean that no one can be saved simply because no one has ever gone through the 35,000 denomination to identify them one by one.

Still I don't see what your point is. People are kept to be saved on a daily basis regardless if someone has actually gone through the 35,000 denominations.

This debate came up after juvenissun stated that "there is no room for different doctrine. One is right. All the others must be wrong." (Post #9), and my disagreement with this statement. Juvenissun has since clarified/revised his position.