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What is the Truth

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We have a very narrow view of this word, considering it is a word depicting who God is, knowing firstly, we can not see him, therefore can not measure him. This process is emdodied in the the reply from the angel when Jacob asked him what his name was.

If we touch not the unclean thing he gathers us unto himself.
 
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here was some interesting things from the shepherd of hermas http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/shepherd.html :

CHAPTER VIII.
When then I ceased asking in regard to all these matters, she said to me, "Do you wish to see anything else?" And as I was extremely eager to see something more, my countenance beamed with joy. She looked towards me with a smile, and said, "Do you see seven women around the tower?" "I do, Lady," said I. "This tower," said she, "is supported by them according to the precept of the Lord. Listen now to their functions. The first of them, who is clasping her hands, is called Faith. Through her the elect of God are saved. Another, who has her garments tucked up and acts with vigour, is called Self-restraint. She is the daughter of Faith. Whoever then follows her will become happy in his life, because he will restrain himself from all evil works, believing that, if he restrain himself from all evil desire, he will inherit eternal life." "But the others," said I, "O Lady, who are they?" And she said to me, "They are daughters of each other. One of them is called Simplicity, another Guilelessness, another Chastity, another Intelligence, another Love. When then you do all the works of their mother, you will be able to live." "I should like to know," said I, "O Lady, what power each one of them possesses." "Hear," she said, "what power they have. Their powers are regulated by each other, and follow each other in the order of their birth. For from Faith arises Self-restraint; from Self-restraint, Simplicity; from Simplicity, Guilelessness; from Guilelessness, Chastity; from Chastity, Intelligence; and from Intelligence, Love. The deeds, then, of these are pure, and chaste, and divine. Whoever devotes himself to these, and is able to hold fast by their works, shall have his dwelling in the tower with the saints of God."

another section:

"Now, sir," I continued, "show me why the tower was not built upon the ground, but upon the rock and upon the gate." "Are you still," he said, "without sense and understanding? "I must, sir," I said, "ask you of all things, because I am wholly unable to understand them; for all these things are great and glorious, and difficult for man to understand." "Listen," he said: "the name of the Son of God is great, and cannot be contained, and supports the whole world. If, then, the whole creation is supported by the Son of God, what think ye of those who are called by Him, and bear the name of the Son of God, and walk in His commandments? do you see what kind of persons He supports? Those who bear His name with their whole heart. He Himself, accordingly, became a foundation to them, and supports them with joy, because they are not ashamed to bear His name."

CHAPTER XV.

"Explain to me, sir," I said, "the names of these virgins, and of those women who were clothed in black raiment." "Hear," he said, "the names of the stronger virgins who stood at the comers. The first is Faith, the second Continence, the third Power, the fourth Patience. And the others standing in the midst of these have the following names: Simplicity, Innocence, Purity, Cheerfulness, Truth, Understanding, Harmony, Love. He who bears these names and that of the Son of God will be able to enter into the kingdom of God. Hear, also," he continued, "the names of the women who had the black garments; and of these four are stronger than the rest. The first is Unbelief, the second: Incontinence, the third Disobedience, the fourth Deceit. And their followers are called Sorrow, Wickedness, Wantonness, Anger, Falsehood, Folly, Backbiting, Hatred. The servant of God who bears these names shall see, indeed, the kingdom of God, but shall not enter into it."
 
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Dear friends, if I may politely offer my thoughts... being brief as possible, it appears that the discussion steers off into many directions while seeming to avoid the 'bottom line' truth of what is 'Truth'. I read where some of you do know this already and have been trying to define it but It seems that there's many aspects of truth that may be examined but I see things much deeper as to even define some of the things from another perspective using Nature.

If God be the Author of all things then He is the essence of Truth. I said before, truth are things that 'Vindicate' God and His Law AND ORDER!!!!! We must remember the 'Order' of the Law, as in Law and Order. Truth is the Order of God that reveals His Law. The wrong 'Order' creates another Law. The wrong Order may also present the same law but it won't be observed the same.

There's many factors that must be understood in ORDER to know what 'Truth' is. You may discuss how one perceives 'truth' but the real question is 'What is Truth'? It might be better asked, 'WHO is Truth'? I say this because Truth has an Origin and it is He who must be known in ORDER to know the Truth. Truth may be said to be many things, it's the Law, it's Order, it's God, it's Nature, and we may be witnesses to His Truth when we can SEE Him in Nature and any given Creation.

Truth is the 'Direction' of Life Eternal, He is the 'Way' besides being the 'Life' and which is 'Truth'. Life more abundantly? How can we measure our lives to compare if we are living more abundantly? How can we be so sure as to be as Romans without excuse? God gave us His Law AND ORDER, and we must not forget the Order; Jesus said: "Get ye, behind me, satan." Jesus was telling satan to get back in ORDER. The word, 'Behind' is the key to understanding His Order.

The bottom line is that Truth is what is all around us, it's God in Nature but there's been a change in this Order, and Order goes to Disorder. Transgression is a sin that causes our minds to oppose 'Order' because we have been turned away 'Backward' from Judgment [Isa 58:14]. The Prophets spoke in terms that can be seen by using SIMPLICITY to see the same things as they did, they spoke in parables. I present the following sketch to illustrate this Law and Order in Nature. God's Law and Order is the same for ALL of Creation, there is no separate law and ORDER for humankind, we have thought to change the Times (Order) and Law of God.

The Knowledge of God may not be measured but His Law and Order that He wrote upon our hearts and minds and in Nature should be visible to those who know Him. All of nature binds to His Law and Order except for our human race.

God designed us in a wondrous way when He married the man and the woman together in His Eternal Covenant. We must Equate by His Measure and not our own as we are now. Man and woman were first designed to be Spiritual Magnets for Life Eternal. If we Equate in Christ's Covenant we then become as ONE Magnet of two Poles. We are male and female, two nations in ONE Womb when Equated to Christ. Simply said in this equation: 6+1=7

The sketch says the 'Rest'...
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Went though your post and thank you .. I'm with you as get back to basics: "What is Truth?"

Truth: The reality of God's will, purpose, and plan centered in the Lord Christ Jesus for our salvation AND, depending on the context, the saving realities conveyed by the Genuine Word of God centered in the Lord Christ Jesus. thank you for your patience.
 
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If you can measure God, you can measure truth and in the process we become measured, being a son/daughter/offspring/children of our father.

Truth, as one fellow put it, is a train without a caboose.

What in the world does that even mean?

God bless.
In Christ, Ted
 
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If you can measure God, you can measure truth and in the process we become measured, being a son/daughter/offspring/children of our father.

Truth, as one fellow put it, is a train without a caboose.

What in the world does that even mean?

God bless.
In Christ, Ted

male and female are immeasurable when equated in Christ by covenant; contrary: they are/become measurable apart from Christ. This is simply illustrated with math, man/6 makes covenant with woman/1 and they become Joint Heirs in Christ/7. 6+1=7

When the man and woman are obedient to God's Order the two become as ONE, and the same as Christ. Spirits behave like numbers do and numbers are perfect examples for illustrating this phenomena.

If Christ be 7 and Eve/1 breaks covenant, it leaves her husband and herself naked. This is illustrated with this equation: 7-1=6

It's my way of simplifying it... :)
 
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Originally Posted by x141
If you can measure God, you can measure truth and in the process we become measured, being a son/daughter/offspring/children of our father.

Truth, as one fellow put it, is a train without a caboose.


What in the world does that even mean?

God bless.
In Christ, Ted

By the son, the father is known ... the son declares the father, as it is the father that reveals or declares the son.

Adam declared his, but what he delcared was not the truth.

God became to him one who would knit two in the womb, loving the one while hating the other ... who sinned ... Jesus answered this question for us .. neither.

Relgion is man's measurement of God. A coming to him by steps, which reveals our nakedness.

Jacob's ladder had steps ... Jesus' did not. We come to know our father, by coming to know we are his son.

Another way to put it, our soul becomes married or one with our husband, this is firstly within and is what through this relationship that we delcare him to be to others. Our life is hid in Christ, he who has the bride is the bridegroom, the seed of the woman is the life of the woman. He is our indentity as much as the sun is the moons light.
 
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