Jesus taught that the truth would set a person free.
This phrase is a casualty of scrap book theology. Scrap book theology is the practice of taking a verse out of context and marrying it up with several other verses to create a doctrine or a subject the bible may or may not address. People do this to support doctrine and control others in ways the bible never intended.
this particular verse is tied on to whatever version of truth people want to sell as legit. I have even seen mormons us this verse to sell the book of mormon to others..
The important question to ask is how did Jesus use this verse and in what context.
comes from romans 8:
21 Again, Jesus said to the people, “I will leave you. You will look for me, but you will die in your sin. You cannot come where I am going.”
22 So the Jewish leaders asked themselves, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he said, ‘You cannot come where I am going’?”
23 But Jesus said to them, “You people are from here below, but I am from above. You belong to this world, but I don’t belong to this world.24 I told you that you would die in your sins. Yes, if you don’t believe that I Am, you will die in your sins.”
25 They asked, “Then who are you?”
Jesus answered, “I am what I have told you from the beginning. 26 I have much more I could say to judge you. But I tell people only what I have heard from the one who sent me, and he speaks the truth.”
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They did not understand who he was talking about. He was telling them about the Father. 28 So he said to them, “You will lift up the Son of Man. Then you will know that I Am. You will know that whatever I do is not by my own authority. You will know that I say only what the Father has taught me. 29 The one who sent me is with me. I always do what pleases him. So he has not left me alone.” 30 While he was saying these things, many people believed in him.
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So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers. 32 You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
33 They answered, “We are Abraham’s descendants. And we have never been slaves. So why do you say that we will be free?”
34 Jesus said, “The truth is, everyone who sins is a slave—a slave to sin.35 A slave does not stay with a family forever. But a son belongs to the family forever. 36 So if the Son makes you free, you are really free. 37 I know you are Abraham’s descendants. But you want to kill me, because you don’t want to accept my teaching. 38 I am telling you what my Father has shown me. But you do what your father has told you.”
39 They said, “Our father is Abraham.”
Jesus said, “If you were really Abraham’s descendants, you would do what Abraham did. 40 I am someone who has told you the truth I heard from God. But you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that.41 So you are doing what your own father did.”
But they said, “We are not like children who never knew who their father was. God is our Father. He is the only Father we have.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were really your Father, you would love me. I came from God, and now I am here. I did not come by my own authority. God sent me. 43 You don’t understand the things I say, because you cannot accept my teaching. 44 Your father is the devil. You belong to him. You want to do what he wants. He was a murderer from the beginning. He was always against the truth. There is no truth in him. He is like the lies he tells. Yes, the devil is a liar. He is the father of lies.
45 “I am telling you the truth, and that’s why you don’t believe me. 46 Can any of you prove that I am guilty of sin? If I tell the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God accepts what he says. But you don’t accept what God says, because you don’t belong to God.”
It's important to see what lead up to this statement and what happened after in order to grasp the meaning Jesus put on it. Jesus was talking about his teaching specifically concerning sin and how to be redeemed from sin. he immediately follows the freedom phrase with a bit about being a slave to sin.. which contradicts the idea of free will (I did a thread on this a week or so ago if you want more on it) but in essence we must see our self a slave to Sin to start out with, if we do then we can seek redemption which frees us from the law of sin as a measure of worthiness/righteousness for eternal life.
Meaning if you believe in Christ then it is through atonement that you are judged righteous, not by your ability to keep the old law.
Jesus said to pilot that whoever loves truth believes my words.
Pilot asked the question what is truth?
Jesus did not answer .
He did, just not to pilot.
Jesus is described as the words of God becoming flesh and dwelling amount men as a man born of a human woman.
yes and no. Yes the bible says that but no on the meaning of what the word made flesh means.
In the beginning the word was with God and the word was God .
Look to the beginning or rather look at genesis 1 and genesis 2 for the meaning here. In Genesis
elohiym is said to have created the world in 7 Days. The word "
elohiym" is the gerneric word or title for God it often references God the Father, but the word simply means God in general or the office/jog of 'god.'
For gen 2 I make the argument that between day one and day three/just read gen 2:4-6 yourself Ywhw/hâyâh/הָיָה creates everything in chapter 2 which is a garden only narrative. This word in the hebrew is supposed to be the literal Name of God. but they wrote this word without any vowels so it could not be properly pronounced thus not allowing anyone to take the lords name.. "We pronounce Jehovah some more properly say yahweh but the jews know this name by the 'word.' or the word of God.. meaning the word we use for God.
Christ is that word according to John 1:1 he is the word/jehovah or yahweh from the 'beginning/genesis 2.
So jesus the 'word they use for God' became flesh and dwelled among man.
God's words were written down for hundreds of years before Jesus was born .
So the same spirit that inspired those earlier writings now had come in its fullness in the Man Jesus when he taught during his three years ministry.
yes
To ask Jesus a question was like Moses asking the burning bush a question.
no. there were no questions to the bush. the bush laid out the path of moses.
The Truth will set a person free.
the truth being we are slaves to sin and can not 'will ourselves' not to sin. therefore by the law we will never be able to enter heaven by the way of full filling the law. Rather Jesus is the way the truth and the life (which was said abot the law in the OT) no one comes to the father but through him.
The Bible is a massive book with lots if words full if truth .
it is a map to find who God is and how to obtain a literal one on one working relationship with the Holy Spirit.
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Will reading the whole sixty six books from cover to cover set a person free if he believes it all ?
the oppsite will happen. you will become disenfranchised because you are going in with the wrong expectation. the bible is a map not a geneie. you have to follow the map.
not wish on it.
Did Jesus define what freedom was.
Yes Jesus says it is eternal life in john 8. Paul says it is an eternal life with the freedom to live without sin. in the book of Romans.
Jesus taught what advantage is it to a person if they gain everything that is to be offered on this planet earth and loose his soul?
yes nothing is gained. or rather anything gained will pale incompareson to what is lost. it is like selling your car for gas money... if you sell you car for enough money to fill the gas tank, you loose your car and any benefit you had in a full tak of gas is now lost on the fact you lost your car. like wise anything you gain this world has to offer is lost because you loose you very existence.
This statement of Jesus shows us that if a man looses his soul he is in prison and is not free and did not know the words of truth to release him from bondage or captivity.
yes
What is this soul that Jesus taught could be in a state or position if being lost or unlost / found ?
It is not an easy task to define or identify what a person's soul is I understand.
simply put. Paul in romans seperate our being into a few different parts. we are a physical body, that body has a mind that control the physical actions. then we are a spirit which is the body's consciousness. these three parts are a slave to sin. these three parts have no will. then we are a soul. a soul is a living consciousness much like the spirit but it was a gift given by God to Adam and all of adam's descendants. this part of us is free to chose to follow God and hate sin. this part can be freed when the body and mind die. after death Jesus will resurrect our souls and pair us with an uncorrupted/non slave to sin body, that can live forever. this uncorrupted body matched with a soul who hates sin is the freedom we were promised in john chapter 8.
One way to approach to fully understanding what the soul fully is is to separate it from the other aspects of a person.
yes paul teaches us to do this in romans 7
The word teaches soul is a different area from a person's material physical body that can be identified with the five human senses.
the part of the world where I live teaches there is no soul.
The word teaches that it like a sharp sword divides the soul if a person from the spirit of a person.
Remember Jesus is that word... Jesus is sharper than any two edged sword.. everything mention there in hebrews 11 is about judging us most righteously and completely with nothing hidden. this passage describes out final judgement before Christ.
As a result of this Bible statement I can learn that the soul and spirit within a person is different.
we can learn this in several places in scripture more specifically in the book of romans starting in chapter 6 to 8
So what words of truth explain how to separate the activities and functions of the soul from the spirit?
all of chapter 7:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans+7&version=ERV
When this separation of soul and spirit has been undergone successfully by the words of truth the truth and way seeker can then focus and concentrate on what this seperate part of a person named the soul exactly is so that it can be saved and not lost as Jesus taught.
wow! the spirit has taught you that. I know people on this very website who claim great knowledge and wisdom for themselves and still can not make this distinction.
The big two Questions to be answered by the words of truth is . . . No 1 : what is the soul ?
it is the part of self that links us to God. it is apart of our consciousness that God seeks to redeem. It is life on God's plain of existence.
No 2 : how does it become saved ?
through atonement. meaning Jesus died took your sin and went before God and was punished in your place, then came back to you with a metaphorical letter saying all your sins have been paid for and you owe God no debt, because Christ on your behalf paid God what you owed him for your sins.
I am still seeking Jesus Christ for the fullness of these truths so I can completely manifest being saved.
Any comments or answers would be appreciated.
Christ may or may not answer. He left the holy Spirit to do that. if you seek the Holy Spiit God Himself promises a response.
