What is the true name of the One true G-d/Messiah?

[Sabian]

I'm sorry you Totally misunderstand me.
If I understand something to be correct,
I should not continue doing and teaching what I know is wrong.
I should change and do what is correct.
I understand the name YHWH and understand that is the way It was writen.
Not with LORD But YHWH so I write and say YHWH.
The same with Jesus it does not contain The FATHER's name and was not writen as Jesus when
originally Writen. Scripture tells us the name in Important.
You do what you know is right. I am doing what I know is correct.
Have to go I'm just on dinner.
Sabian

 

[Miaka-Chan]

I could be completly off posting here, but I was just thinking. A name really isn't the same name if it is pronounced different. It may refer to the same individual, but cannot be the same name is the pronouciation is changed. For instance-- My name is Tanya, and it is pronounced w/ and ah sound tahnya... there are some named Tanya pronounced Tanya with an "an" sound or Tonya pronouced Toenya... I don't believe these are the same names...pronoucation makes a complete difference. I think it was wrong to romanize names... that is what not these people would have answered too any more that I answer would answer to "joe" The one whom we have come to know as Jesus (I am not jewish) true name was Yeshua, and would have answered to Yeshua, not Jesus. However, I do belive that if you pray to "Jesus" not "Yeshua" he would not be offended. I don't speak for him, but I think he would be understanding of how language changes.... If you insisted on calling me Joe, and I loved you and cared for you and knew you were talking to me, I would accept it and answer to it.

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Do you want to help. I typed it out like this so the Person that started the thread
Could understand. I think He/She would have a hard time understanding that Yohanan
is John Or that YeshaYAHu is Isaiah.
Really when I am done with this I want to have all the strongs #'s and The way KJ
put's it and the hebrew. Plus all the words that contain the Name YAH like KilYAH.
Like I said want to help it's a lot of typing.

Shalom Sabian,

I agree with much of what you have said here in this thread. I have to tell you that is allot of work you did
You can also add the Hebrew name as I did without taking the KJV away. Btw, I am not one to completely Trust Strong's translations either. Granted they say they translated word for word. Yet it is still translated. Did Strong's grow up in a Hebrew culture or a Jewish culture? Not that I know of. Yet my not completely trusting his translations isn't just because of that.
As a matter of fact I grew up on KJV with Strong's along side.

May the peace that transcends all understanding be with you,

Tag

 

[SonWorshipper]

Is this correct?

Yahweh Tsidqenu-Yahweh Is Righteousness

I would think it would be tzedakah?

Anyone remember Neil Sedaca? Phonetic spelling of above I believe.

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

I could be completly off posting here, but I was just thinking. A name really isn't the same name if it is pronounced different. It may refer to the same individual, but cannot be the same name is the pronouciation is changed. For instance-- My name is Tanya, and it is pronounced w/ and ah sound tahnya... there are some named Tanya pronounced Tanya with an "an" sound or Tonya pronouced Toenya... I don't believe these are the same names...pronoucation makes a complete difference. I think it was wrong to romanize names... that is what not these people would have answered too any more that I answer would answer to "joe" The one whom we have come to know as Jesus (I am not jewish) true name was Yeshua, and would have answered to Yeshua, not Jesus. However, I do belive that if you pray to "Jesus" not "Yeshua" he would not be offended. I don't speak for him, but I think he would be understanding of how language changes.... If you insisted on calling me Joe, and I loved you and cared for you and knew you were talking to me, I would accept it and answer to it.

I might agree to a point. But lets say someone keeps calling you Toenya or Taanya instead of Tahnya. How long would you mind that? Would you then go by either of those names if someone keeps calling you that?

Remember we are to call on ONE NAME that is above ALL NAMES.

= Pronounced Yahushua = YHWH's Salvation

You know what, I myself need to study Hebrew myself since there are a few different understandings of what the Real Hebrew Name of the Messiah is.
FOR EVERYONE THAT LEARNED HEBREW Phonetics(How ever it is spelt? Phonetics that is). Here are two websites that you all can read, you who know Hebrew and let me know what you think. Doesn't mean I'll believe you, but it is a start:
http://www.sacrednamemovement.com/JesusChrist=666Essay.html

http://www.eliyah.com/nameson.htm

May the peace that transcends all understanding be with you all,

Tag

 

[Sabian]

Shalom.

It seem to me that I need to bring up another word that contains the Name YAH
and bring up another point here. This is a post by a friend Named John,
and is why I want to learn more about this language.
I have more on this topic also. It is good to thrist to learn this language.
I'm sure most of You agree.



The languish that
your calling Hebrew infact is called:  YAHADOWTYOT. {Yod, Hey,
Daleth, Waw, Tov, Yod, Waw, Tov.}  in the scripture.

Is the scripture rooted word in the declaration YAH and WDAH for I
Praise ["OH-DOHTH"] and Oh I witness YHWH. For it was
understood by the prophets that in the scripture {YAHadowtyot},
the language of Adam, Eve, Abraham and the patriarchs’ is the
ultimate means of praising YHWH. Still YAHadowt means praising
YHWH, the word {YAHadowtyot} is the linguistic formed signifying
that {YAHoyowt-yot. Yod, Heth, waw, Daleth, Yod, waw, Tov.} is the
EXCLUSIVE language of praising YHWH Yahadowt. The {Yot. Yod,
Waw, Tov.} in YAHadowtyot is rooted in the Akkadian {utu}, it’s a
end of word suffix rendered in English -dom, -ness, or -ty or -hood
as in Fatherhood and Brotherhood.

(Nehemiah 13: 24-25) "[They] Did not know how to speak the
(YAHadowtyot.} language. [25] I rebuked them and called a curses
down on them."

Language is "Lis-shan" from the root word of tongue "Lah-shon" and
"Lah-shon" also been translated language as in (2 Samuel. 23:2)
"The Spirit of YHWH has spoken through me, and HIS words was
on my {Strong’s # 3956 "Lah-shon."} YAHadowtyot [Hebrew] is
called "Lah-shon Ha Kodesh" [The Sanctify Language] in the light
that it was the language chosen by YHWH to write HIS Scriptures.
In Zeph. 3:9 it says " For then will I turn to the people a pure
language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve
him with one consent." Notice it doesn't say Hebrew however "a pure
language" and this is borne out in the fact that this language is name
in the scripture YAHadowtyot after HIS Own name!!! Notice also that
HE wrote the scripture in YAHadowtyot. Nothing have change
YHWH is the real Eloah of this universe, HIS covenant is eternal,
and HIS languish is the same yesterday, today and forever.

YAHadowtyot literally means YHWH’S PRAISING language. The
CREATOR has gifted the whole universe with a common language of
love to (Judges 20:11) "Knit together as one man" the YAHwdim
Brotherhood, but few are those who want to understand it. The
covenant relationship with the Fatherhood of YHWH is the
benevolence that embraces the covenanted fraternity and in the
YAHadowt brotherhood only YAHadowtyot is its common languish.

(2 King 18:26,28) "Please speak to your servants in Aramaric, since
we understood it. Don’t speak to us in (YAHadowtyot.} [28] Then
the commander stood and called out in (YAHadowtyot}."

Happy are those to whom YAHadowtyot it’s no foreign tongue,
acquired perfectly with a litter care and love from the scripture
words of their FATHER. A YAHWDI who is ignorant of his father
language is ignorant of his own.

In other languages a name is simple a label attached in order to allow
the convenience for each other. In the scripture language names
carries incredible significance, for the genetic essence of anything is
in its OWN name.

(2 Chronicle 32:18) "They called out in (YAHadowtyot} to the people
of Yerusalem."

Since the world was created through speech, as HE spoke the name
it came into being (Genesis 1). Like everything He created this
language was an immediate gift as an outer temple in which the soul
of those who speak it is enshrined. YHWH first gave an
empowerment to Adam soul in a state of pure spiritual perfection
that originated in the substance of HIS spiritual core nature. As
Torah covenant was the essential core personality of YHWH
before HE begin Genesis 1:1, accordingly too is the source of
YAHadowtyot.

At the time of creation, the verse said that all the animals were
brought before Adam in order to be named. (Gen. 2:19) "Whatever
Adam called it, that was its name." For he had YHWH’S
empowering spiritual perception to see the very essence of each
animal to understand the unique role they all will play in YHWH’S
creation and in this unadulterated Kodesh essence he automatically
know their names. This articulate linguistic empowering spirit is
corroborate in (2 Samuel. 23:2) "The Spirit of YHWH has spoken
through me, and HIS words was on my tongue {Strong’s #
3956"Lah-shon." lamed, shin, vav, beth, yod.}" This distinctive
Adamic Language is specified by name in the scripture as
(YAHadowtyot} but like everything else satan has manage to invert
the very original language for a deception (Isaiah 36:11,13) "Speak
to your servants in Aramaric, since we understood it. Don’t speak to
us in (YAHadowtyot}. [13] Then the commander stood and called out
in (YAHadowtyot.}"

Note also the fact that only in this YAHadowtyot Language and in
verses that seem to human understanding to be bewildering, strange
and misspell have only in recent years been discover a wealthy of
scripture code predicting our own day using computers.

I can only think that HE have a special plan with the only language
on earth that is call after HIS OWN name, as with the people that
are name after HIS OWN name!!!!!!

 

[Sabian]

I'd like to go over AHYH ACR AHYH alittle bit. This is part of my study.

To me YAH is not just explaining his name here.
The question isn’t Just What is your name?", But "Who are
you?".

Ex 3:14

The letters featured in this piece are ALEPH HEY YUD HEY –
ALEPH SHIN RESH –
ALEPH HEY YUD HEY. Taken together, and reading from right to
left, they spell
AHYH ACR AHYH.

Each of the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet has a special
meaning.
Can anyone explain alittle deeper ?

AHYH does not seem to be a name but what does it mean?
Aleph = Ox Head, Strength, authority, first
Hay = Window, to reveal
Yod = Closed hand, deed, work, to make

Shin = Teeth, consue, destroy
Resh = Head, person, head, highest

AHYH
The reason I ask is because I have heard that
EHYEH ASHER EHYEH
means infinity and the reverse of infinity
In other words that YAH exsist in the planet the stars and
every thing you can see. He also exsist Inward down to the cell
or atom
of everything.Your intermost being.
I heard this from a rabbi. and want to know if anybody else has
ever heard this. Or how he saw this.Something to do with the
numbers of each letter and the meaning of each letter
Just asking?

Aleph = 1
Hay = 5
Yod = 10
Resh = 200
Shin = 300
So because of this AHYH ARC AHYH would equal Ehyeh [21 =
Aleph(1) + Hay(5) + Yod(10) + Hay(5)]. Asher [501 = Aleph(1)
+ Shin(300) + Resh(200)].



"AHYH ASHR AHYH"

The letter "A"(aleph) at the beginning is: > "upon, authority,
over."

The rest of the word > HYH
H1961 hy"h' hayah {haw-yaw} ¤ a primitive root ¤ 1) to be,
become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out (Qal) to happen,
fall out, occur, take place, come about, come to pass, to come
about, come to pas, to come into being, become, to arise,
appear, come, to become, to become, to become like, to be
instituted, be established, to be, to exist, be in existence, to
abide, remain, continue (with word of place or time), to stand,
lie, be in, be at, be situated (with word of locality) to
accompany, be with (Niphal) to occur, come to pass, be done,
be brought about, to be done, be finished, be gone

ASHER:
H833 rv;a' 'ashar {aw-shar'} ¤ a primitive root;
1) to go straight, walk, go on, advance, make progress, (Qal)
to go straight on, make progress (Piel) to go straight on,
advance, to lead on (causative),
to set right, righten, to pronounce happy, call blessed, (Pual)
to be advanced, be led on, to be made happy, be blessed.

And then "AHYH" again. (at top)

So it sounds to me that He is the authority of all that exists
(AHYH)
And all that is to be set right and blessed and made straight
and to be made happy etc.etc.
He is the authority or the maker of that too!
"That, the A = authority , that HYH = exists . That Asher
= go straight. An aspect of HIS name,authority exists, go straight,
authority exists. Also, placing Asher in the middle, can give the two
AHYH's a diffrent meaning. I believe that was part of it too. In other
words, it reverced the meaning of AHYH. Which is interesting,
because it does not change the main meaning, which is," I exsist in
every thing"
and"I have authority over everything."

Which brings me to another question. Does YHWH exist in the heart
of the evil one?"
It seems to me He reminded me first that He is truly the authority of
all that exists,
And to hold no other before him.
For it is by YAH’s authority
that the evil spirit is sent here or there… For the adversary has his
"bounds" just as the ocean tides and the sun and the moon. I too
have asked YAH about this often.
If YHWH is part of every thing that is created and HE created
the evil one. Is HE still a part of the evil one? Or has the evil one
pushed out YHWH from his heart?"
there are alot on meanings for AHYH ACR AHYH
I Like this one
(((( I WILL SAVE THE WAY I WILL SAVE))))

Sabian

 

[lared]

In modern day common English:

Jehovah is our heavenly Father.

Jesus is the Messiah.

Two different persons.

 

[sojeru]

The same with Jesus it does not contain The FATHER's name and was not writen as Jesus when
originally Writen.

ok, i get where you are comming from now- if i had just seen it sooner.
You are one to say that Messiah's name MUST CONTAIN the name.
I believe that Messiahs name did and still does contain the name.
Question though, if this is how you base the ONESESS of Hashem, by the name, then how do you make his Ruach one because in fact he actually has no name- You can assume his name- but you cannot tell me what His name actually is, can you?

So again, how do you make HaShems oneness, Or do you believe that Messiah is not Hashem at all, nor is his Ruach?

ok, now you see that Messiah need come in the Name.
This however isnt really a big thing.
IF YOU UNDERSTOOD hebrew and TN"K correctly in this portion there were a few men named either YeHoshuah or Yeshua (like the high priest)
Joshua was indeed a sign man in telling who the messiah was, the same with many Israelis were to be signs for mashiach, and Yeshua and zerrubabel were also signs, however, if i remember correctly, zecharyah told the high priest that his name(the high preists name, which is Yeshua) is the branch, and that both zerrubabel and the high priest are sign men of the Branch of david.

this is a very very very short detail about it- but you should get the jist.
No matter what you believe right now- THIS IS written.
What you are doing is getting into some very old things bro.
I'll ask you this, without the vowel pronounciations existing how do you know that the pronounciation was ever YAH/IAH to begin with.

you might say the greek, however, isnt this a pagan language- trying to associate everything, even the saviors name to a pagan diety?
So if the NAME of Messiah which contained Hashems name was blasphemed, why wouldnt they have done it to Hashems name itself, since Messiahs name already contains it and they desecrated that one?

On the other hand, what if the greeks were correct in renderring the name in the way we see it now (Iaoue)
and here comes jews to make a name for Hoshea, joshua and yeshua.

see, by the time that emperor constantine and his false church of the romans and alexandria could go out to destroy copies of the NT, there would already be 200 yrs worth (which still isnt all that much as to what we can produce in 200 months) of scribal writting being distibuted and shared amoungst the synagogues of Messiah in the diaspora for one and amoungst the nations.
so no doubt, in these we would still have a copy of the name of messiah in its "original" in greek, pronounced as iasoua/iasoue as you give it.

truth is, i would love to be on an expedition to find this- if it actually exists.

oh yeah and yes yeshu, and yehshua contains the name

shalom u'bracha

 

[SonWorshipper]

In modern day common English:

Jehovah is our heavenly Father.

Jesus is the Messiah.

Two different persons.

lared, this topic is about Hebrew, in that language there is no "J" for starters, as well we do not use the terms Jehovah or Jesus, this is the Messianic Forum.

But we are speaking of the Father and Son, who are both one and the same G-d to us.

 

[Sabian]

Sojeru: I would not be a trinity believer. This is another topic.
You are correct The Set Apart Spirit does not have a name.
The Set apart Spirit is the breath, power , Love , life force , of the FATHER
that flows across the face of the Earth.
Not a Person or God.
So I do not understand where you are coming from?
I would agree that YEHSHUA contains the FATHERS name but
I still think the name vowel is wrong E should be an A.
The name's I posted that contain YAH have come through history.
Sounding like YAH. HALLELUYAH is another one.
The pronuction of YAH was not lost.
HALLELYAH is pronounced the same in most languages on earth today.
The YAH sound is there. The WEH part of YAHWEH is debatable.
That is why I use YHWH.

Or are you saying all the names and words that contain YAH came down through
history with the wrong Pronoucation.
That is a big statement I would have to disagree.

I have to disagree with Yeshu that would be YOD - SHIN ( YSH )
not ( YOD - HEY) YH

 

[SonWorshipper]

Has anyone here heard about or read even this book?

"Fossilized Customs: The Pagan Sources of Popular Customs" by Lew White /// 2002


You will also discover how the so called "sacred name" (i.e. Yahweh) was suppressed and replaced with the names of various other pagan dieties in our translations of Scripture. Author calls the Father YAHU'AH (ya-HOO'-ah) and the Son Yahushua (ya-HOO-shua).

 

[Sabian]

I own the book. It's a good book .I take some of it with a grain of salt.
But it is a good place to start studing
fossilizedcustoms.com
Anything you need to know about it ask.

 

[SonWorshipper]

Thanks Sabian, I thought so.

Is the author a Messianic Believer?

 

[Sabian]

The book says writen from a Messianic Perspective.

 

[Sabian]

AHYH ACR AHYH

I see the FATHER's name Twice here,
AH-YAH ACR AH-YAH is more then just
the FATHER's name. It contians HIS name TWICE
and give an explination as to what The FATHER is to us.
Something I have been staring at for awhile now ,
and still I Know I do not fully understand.

Like YAHSHUA came in his FATHER's name YAH.
YAHSHUA's name has a meaning. Salvation of YAH
What is the meaning of YAH?
Is their anyway to Explain YAH?


I am that I am.
I will save the way I will save.
I am infinity and the reverse of infinity .
YAH by itself seems to only have one meaning
( the FATHER's name)