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What is the Theory of Creationism?

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Aduro Amnis

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:sigh: After much reserach I find it quite difficult to find a definitive Theory of Creationism, which is based upon objective information that led them to find information which appears to be similar to the Creation story in Genesis.

So may I ask the Creationist abroad, what is the Theory of Creationism?
 

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Perhaps the delay you are experiencing comes from the fact that there really isn't an answer to the question you asked. We don't speak in terms of "theories" where God and His Word are concerned. The Bible is either to be believed and treated as fact, or disbelieved and treated as myth. Theories, such as "Naturalistic Evolution", or more Biblically based models such as the "Day Age" or the "Gap", are all proposed explanations of why the 'fact' of Creation, as it is outlined in the Bible, should be considered a 'myth'.

“Creationists” believe that what the Bible says about Creation is actually what happened. Simply put, we believe that God spoke the universe (and all that is in it) into existance, ex nihilo, in the 6 literal days described in Genesis 1:1-27. If you want to call something the "theory" of Creation, I guess that would be it.

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Creation theorists can NOT prove the Bible story of creation is true. Evolution theorists (or any other non-Creation theorists) can NOT prove that evolution theory is true. Therefore, we have an impasse. The difference is, those who believe in the Bible story are given "the assurance of what is hoped, the conviction of what is not seen" and enjoy a peace with God that comes with their belief in God's word (as the Bible says we would. Hebrews 11) All the others seem to gnash their teeth alot.
 
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Sorry Aduro, I misunderstood. You asked for the "Theory of Creationism", not for the science behind it. For that, you might start by going to the www.icr.org (the Web Site of the Institute for Creation Research). Beyond that, I'll ask my friends who are deeply involved in this study if there is a book they would recommend that brings all the science together as a logical whole. I am certainly no expert in this field of study.

I'll try to get back to you with it tomorrow.

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Aduro Amnis said:
But that doesn't help me, since that was your personal feeling not scientific fact that agrees with the Bible.
The fact is we all uses our personal feeling to determine reality since almost everything we learned is second handed. Don't assume the majority is always right even in science and religion since most will just follow the crowd.
 
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Aduro Amnis said:
But icr.org uses disproven data.
Nothing new here. Of course ICR uses disproven data, any evidence that supports creation science is wrong and been has disproven because evolution is a proven theory, just like gravity. People have different colour hair, eyes and skin. Have you heard of mutations. Animals born with two heads, or without any eyes. Its hard to survive when you have a mutation, and you usually die which proves survival of the fittest. Like, what more evidence could you possibly want that we were once pond slime.

Anyway, even if there is correct evidence that supports creation science, it is wrong because most of the evidence supports evolution. So you see, we have wrong evidence and right evidence. Only right evidence is allowed.

By the way, don't get hung up trying to get a theory on Creation out of the fundies. You won't. The only thing they can do is quote what the Bible teaches about Creation. We all know that is wrong because evolution is right. They think that since God was the only one alive when the world was created, and He created the world, He was the only one who is entitled to give an accurate account of what actually happened. Evolutionists know different. Remember Darwin, he wrote the bible on evolution. He sailed around in a wooden boat and watched finches and things. He noticed finches have different beaks. Furthermore, those beak shapes sometimes change. A bit like a dog that moults when the weather changes. Its a genetic thing, and when your genes change, that is evolution. Darwin noticed this, so he must have been very clever. Most scientists say he was. He said we evolved, and if a great scientist says we evolved, then we must have.

You see, scientists have what they call peer reviews. Most of them don't believe in God and have come up with other theories to explain how we came to be. Peer reviews are a good way from stopping the Christian nutters from presenting any bad evidence in the Scientific journals. Incidently, the scientific journals all agree that we evolved. How many articles have you seen written by Christian scientists in these journals. Obviously they don't have the evidence. So you can see that science is self correcting. Science is wonderful, science is reliable, and if science says we evolved we must have.

If science says we evolved, then forget what the Bible says about Creation. If the Bible is right, and it plainly says that God created the earth in six days then its just a matter of interpretation. You have to interpret the Bible so that it agrees with science, because if the Bible disagrees with science and you say God is right, you are implying that God knows more than science.

I hope this gives you some help as you try to work out how the fundies think, and why they are wrong.
 
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Aduro Amnis said:
:sigh: After much reserach I find it quite difficult to find a definitive Theory of Creationism, which is based upon objective information that led them to find information which appears to be similar to the Creation story in Genesis.

So may I ask the Creationist abroad, what is the Theory of Creationism?

There is no "Theory of Creationism" for the same reason that there is no scientific theory for the common ancestry of all living things. It is not a scientific claim, but a philosophical one.

The definition of evolution, "A change in allele frequencies in a population over time", is scientific. It can be tested, repeated, and observed.
The claim that all living things with a similar cellular makeup share a common ancestor is not scientific. It cannot be tested, repeated, observed, or falsified. It is a philosophical claim.

So, if you want a strict scientific definition for creation you won't find one - not like you want anyway. You shouldn't expect one. It is more of a model - an overarching description of reality. It states a few core things that differ from the evolutionary model:
* humans do not share a common ancestor with other animals (Sharks, monkeys, dogs, giraffes, etc)
* All humans descend from two original people - one man, one woman
* There was a global flood around 4500 years ago
* Humans, through genetic mutations, have been degenerating over generations

Now the challenge I've given before, I'll give again: give me the theory of creation and I'll present you something of the same kind for evolution. Common ancestry is not a scientific claim. The above definition I gave of evolution, a change in allele frequencies, is included as part of the creation model.

Edit: ack, had written evolution instead of creation, above in bold.
 
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Micaiah said:
Nothing new here. Of course ICR uses disproven data, any evidence that supports creation science is wrong and been has disproven because evolution is a proven theory, just like gravity. People have different colour hair, eyes and skin. Have you heard of mutations. Animals born with two heads, or without any eyes. Its hard to survive when you have a mutation, and you usually die which proves survival of the fittest. Like, what more evidence could you possibly want that we were once pond slime.

Anyway, even if there is correct evidence that supports creation science, it is wrong because most of the evidence supports evolution. So you see, we have wrong evidence and right evidence. Only right evidence is allowed.

By the way, don't get hung up trying to get a theory on Creation out of the fundies. You won't. The only thing they can do is quote what the Bible teaches about Creation. We all know that is wrong because evolution is right. They think that since God was the only one alive when the world was created, and He created the world, He was the only one who is entitled to give an accurate account of what actually happened. Evolutionists know different. Remember Darwin, he wrote the bible on evolution. He sailed around in a wooden boat and watched finches and things. He noticed finches have different beaks. Furthermore, those beak shapes sometimes change. A bit like a dog that moults when the weather changes. Its a genetic thing, and when your genes change, that is evolution. Darwin noticed this, so he must have been very clever. Most scientists say he was. He said we evolved, and if a great scientist says we evolved, then we must have.

You see, scientists have what they call peer reviews. Most of them don't believe in God and have come up with other theories to explain how we came to be. Peer reviews are a good way from stopping the Christian nutters from presenting any bad evidence in the Scientific journals. Incidently, the scientific journals all agree that we evolved. How many articles have you seen written by Christian scientists in these journals. Obviously they don't have the evidence. So you can see that science is self correcting. Science is wonderful, science is reliable, and if science says we evolved we must have.

If science says we evolved, then forget what the Bible says about Creation. If the Bible is right, and it plainly says that God created the earth in six days then its just a matter of interpretation. You have to interpret the Bible so that it agrees with science, because if the Bible disagrees with science and you say God is right, you are implying that God knows more than science.

I hope this gives you some help as you try to work out how the fundies think, and why they are wrong.
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