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I wasn't talking about the real Sabbath with you. You started that conversation. I was posting a comment to someone else said about what they said about the Sabbath. Anyhow if you do not want to answer those questions in the post you made your comments on you do not have to if you do not want to that is up to you and I welcome your discussion on what you think the "real gospel" is. For me as shown through the scriptures on page one it is every Word of God (all the scriptures) not some of it.
No problem. This was answered early on in the thread as "all scripture" with the central theme of Christ and him crucified...I will ask you to kindly tell me what you consider the "real" gospel to be.
Anything that is not the gospel. This includes anyone who is claimed to be Jesus but who isn't. Because the gospel is about Jesus who is our only way to God.The bible talks about "another gospel" in 2 Corinthians 11:4 what do you think these scriptures are talking about (more scriptures here)?
ok > to me, it looks like Paul is saying the Law of Moses is used to bring us to Jesus. But Jesus is the One who saves us > Galatians 3:24-25.How can we receive God's grace without God's law when it is God's law that leads us to Gods' grace (scriptures here)?
What is the New Covenant? And is the New Covenant the Gospel?ok > to me, it looks like Paul is saying the Law of Moses is used to bring us to Jesus. But Jesus is the One who saves us > Galatians 3:24-25.
So, according to what I see in Galatians 3:24-25 > the Law of Moses is used to show us how we have sinned so we need Jesus dying on the cross for us. But the Law of Moses is not actually part of Jesus dying for us, which is the gospel. And Jesus dying for us and rising from the dead is the gospel. The Law of Moses is not the gospel. But I understand there are things in the Law of Moses, which mean Jesus would come and mean how we need that Jesus died for us and rose from the dead.
Well, the New Covenant is our agreement with God, about all which the Gospel is meant to bring and share with us with God. So, it is included in the good news of all the Gospel means.What is the New Covenant? And is the New Covenant the Gospel?
No problem. This was answered early on in the thread as "all scripture" with the central theme of Christ and him crucified...
Q1. WHAT IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL? v6
REVELATION 14:6, And I saw another angel fly in midheaven, having the EVERLASTING GOSPEL [εὐαγγέλιον meaning good news] to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people,
NOTE: The GREEK Word used here G2098 εὐαγγέλιον means simply good news; So the first angels message is preaching the everlasting GOOD NEWS to all people of the earth.
WHAT DOES THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL REPRESENT?
1 PETER 1:25, But THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD]. And this is the word which by the GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] is preached unto you.
LUKE 21:33, Heaven and earth shall pass away: BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD].
ISAIAH 40:8, The grass withers, the flower fades, But THE WORD OF OUR GOD STANDS FOREVER [GOD’S WORD IS EVERLASTING].
JOHN 17:17, SANCTIFY THEM THROUGH THE TRUTH, YOUR WORD IS TRUTH [GOD’S WORD IS TRUTH AND WE ARE SAVED BY IT – Good news indeed].
MATTHEW 4:4 Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD [LIFE FROM THE WORD OF GOD]
JOHN 1:1-4; 14
[1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
[2], The same was in the beginning with God.
[3], All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4], In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[14], And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
NOTE: JESUS is the living WORD OF GOD.
[12], But as many as received him [THE WORD OF GOD], to them gave he power to become the children of God, EVEN TO THEM THAT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME [MATTHEW 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.]
NOTE: v12 and MATTHEW 1:21. JOHN 1:12 As many as received him [THE WORD OF GOD] to them he gave POWER to become the children of GOD. His name is JESUS [THE WORD OF GOD] because he [THE WORD OF GOD] will save all who receive him [BELIEVE AND FOLLOW THE WORD OF GOD]
1 PETER 1:22-23,
[22], Seeing you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto sincere love of the brethren, see that you love one another with a pure heart fervently:
[23], BEING BORN AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED BUT OF INCORUPTIBLE, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which lives and ABIDES FOREVER [EVERLASTING].
LUKE 8:11, NOW THIS IS THE PARABLE; THE SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD.
1 JOHN 3:9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; FOR HIS SEED REMAINS IN HIM: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 JOHN 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, EVEN OUR FAITH [in the WORD OF GOD; the SEED must remain in us through FAITH].
PSALMS 119:11, YOUR WORD HAVE A HID IN MY HEART, THAT I MIGHT NOT SIN AGAINST YOU [in the WORD OF GOD; the SEED must remain in us through FAITH].
And this is the victory that overcomes the world, EVEN OUR FAITH in God’s WORD that is IN US.
JOHN 15:4-5,
[4] ABIDE IN ME AND I IN YOU [THE WORD OF GOD]. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me. [5] I am the vine, you are the branches: He that stays in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for WITHOUT ME [THE WORD OF GOD] YOU CAN DO NOTHING. [6], If a man abides not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. [7], IF YOU ABIDE IN ME [THE LIVING WORD OF GOD] AND MY WORDS ABIDE IN YOU abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you. [8], Herein is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit; so shall you be my disciples. [9], As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you: continue you in my love. [10], IF YOU KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
NOTE: We cannot bear the fruit of obedience unless God’s WORD abides in us as we BELIEVE and follow him who calls us in love to love.
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CONCLUSION: WHAT IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL OF REVELATION 14:6?
The EVERLASTING Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4) ALL OF GOD’S WORD IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL. It is the EVERLASTING GOSPEL because JESUS AND HIS WORD is EVERLASTING.
ALL THE WORD OF GOD IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS].
God bless
Thank you. Please note that nowhere in your chapter of Revelation is the everlasting gospel actually defined. Instead, you have developed your own definition.
What do you think of this definition?
I Corinthians 15:1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
Your response here...LoveGodsWord said: ↑ How can the weekly Sabbath point to rest in Jesus when it points backwards to the finished work of creation before mankind sinned?
For a number of reasons, which are fairly comprehensive, as about as comprehensive as we can get in terms of cataphatic theology:
- God is an eternal being, and Jesus Christ is likewise eternal, having been begotten of the Father in eternity, “before all ages” as the Nicene Creed (which is the basis of the CF.com) expresses it so eloquently. This is also expressed in the Gospel According to John (in the Incarnation Pericope, John 1:1-18).
- Through Christ, all things were made (John 1:2), which again, is a central article of faith in the Nicene Creed. Since spacetime is a thing, this means that God created spacetime and has dominion over it. If spacetime were not a creature, because of the centrality of spacetime to the physical universe, it would have the effect of undermining the Christian doctrine of creation ex nihlo, and one could even make an argument that God the Holy Trinity was a demiurge, with spacetime being the true deity; this metaphysical point is one of my chief criticisms of Mormonism (which is conceptually similiar, albeit worse, insofar as Mormonism postulates that matter existed from eternity and that God merely rearranged matter, as opposed to the account in the Gospel of John wherein the Father by His only begotten Son and Word, creates all things.
- Because of the intimate involvement of the only begotten Son and Word of God, Jesus Christ, in the process of creation, we can state with Evangelical and Scriptural confidence that it would be entirely erroneous to associate the ministry of God the Son only with His intervention to free us from the wages of sin, which are death, through His glorious resurrection, and His future (from our perspective) juridicial ministry as Christ Pantocrator, because while they are critically important soteriological and eschatological events, Scripture also attests to Christ our Savior, as the Logos or Word of God, being the means by which all things were made (John 1:1-18 , with particular emphasis on John 1:1-2)
From this, we can understand the saving work of Christ on the cross as a recreation of Humanity in His image, in which we were glorified, as hinted at before His entry into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday at the Transfiguration, when Moses and Elijah were momentarily present with our Lord amidst the uncreated light of Tabor. And likewise, we can understand the future dread judgement seat of Christ as a further recreation of humanity, this time, not just the human nature itself, but rather the entire resurrected humanity on an individual level, with those who embrace our Lord being united with Him for all eternity and those who continue in wickedness being consigned to the Lake of Fire for all eternity*.
*As CS Lewis liked to point out, this is the preference of those who are damned; I think his remark that the Gates of Hell are locked on the inside is an extremely insightful comment on the profoundly self-destructive aspects of impassioned human behavior.
Indeed, there is only one Gospel contained in the four canonical gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, the Apocalypse of St. John, and in the Epistles of the Holy Apostles Paul, Peter, John, James, Jude and the Epistle to the Hebrews, which may or may not be of Pauline authorship (it seems more likely than not that someone else penned it, but it could still reflect Pauline thought, so this is an open question). This Gospel is prophesized and foreshadowed in the books of the Old Testament, including the 150 canonical and 5 deuterocanonical Psalms, and the complete set of protocanonical and deuterocanonical scriptures (the Book of Wisdom, also known as the Wisdom of Solomon, and Tobit, are particularly meaningful anticipations of the Gospel, as is the longer version of Esther).
The true Gospel is not legalistic; rather, it represents the Good News that through faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, we can hope to be with him following our repose, and then at the time of the general resurrection, we might be raised incorruptible and received into the World to Come. Our faith in Christ also enables us to perform good works, which can be summarized as the following his two commandments, that we love Him with all our heart and mind and soul, and love our neighbor as ourselves, but the Gospel is not a Pelagian exercise in works righteousness (Pelagianism and legalism are false Gospels).
No it is not...Well, the New Covenant is our agreement with God,
ok > to me, it looks like Paul is saying the Law of Moses is used to bring us to Jesus. But Jesus is the One who saves us > Galatians 3:24-25.
Agreed! So God's law is a part of the gospel right?
Wrong! The gospel is the good news that, because of Christ's sacrifice, He has freed us from the law. Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law, with the result that there is righteousness for everyone who believes."
Amen! The gospel is the “good news” of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES. (Romans 1:16) To “believe” the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.Wrong! The gospel is the good news that, because of Christ's sacrifice, He has freed us from the law. Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law, with the result that there is righteousness for everyone who believes."
Amen! The gospel is the “good news” of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES. To “believe” the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
I didn't say that or mean that.Agreed! So God's law is a part of the gospel right?
Where does Paul say that the gospel is the burial of Jesus Christ or that the gospel is only the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ? There is no scripture for that is there? I do believe that the death and resurrection is the central theme of the gospel however. Did you read the OP and the posts on the first page? If so what to you think it is saying? While we are here how can we know what sin is if there is no law? - Please read post #735 linked.I didn't say that or mean that.
I know Paul clearly says the gospel is the death and burial and resurrection of Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15 says the burial of Jesus is included.Paul say that the gospel is the burial of Jesus Christ or that the gospel is only the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ?
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