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THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL OR ANOTHER GOSPEL WHICH DO YOU FOLLOW?

Hi Guys,

The other thread seemed to have disappeared because of a technicality. Anyhow this is an undated version with some new questions for consideration.

In God's Word the bible speaks of the everlasting Gospel in Revelation 14:6 as part of the three angels messages as the last message of warning given to the world before the second coming and warns us about receiving "another gospel" preaching another Jesus or a false gospel that is not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (false teachings) in 2 Corinthians 11:4; Galatians 1:6-7; Acts of the Apostles 20:29.

I think this topic is an important one for us to understand as it is written in the very Words of Jesus, that in the last days there will be many false teachers seeking to lead God's people away from the truth of God's Word *Matthew 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1-3.

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QUESTIONS FOR THIS OP (I will link my answers to these question back here to the OP when answered)

Q1. What is the true gospel? (linked)
Q2. Why has God given us His grace for? (linked)
Q3. What is sin (linked)
Q4. What is God's grace for?
Q5. What is the other gospel?
Q6. Can we have Gods' grace without God's law? (pt1); (pt 2 here linked)
Q7. What is the purpose of God's law (10 commandments) in the new covenant?

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What do you think dear friends. Are you following the everlasting gospel and where is it leading you? What therefore is the "another gospel" and where can it lead us?

Friendly discussion please.

God bless :wave:
 
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Hi Guys,

The other thread seemed to have disappeared because of a technicality. Anyhow this is an undated version with some new questions for consideration.

In God's Word the bible speaks of the everlasting Gospel in Revelation 14:6 as part of the three angels messages and warns us about receiving "another gospel" preaching another Jesus or a false gospel that is not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ in 2 Corinthians 11:4; Galatians 1:6-7.

I think this topic is an important one for us to understand as it is written in the very Words of Jesus, that in the last days there will be many false teachers seeking to lead God's people away from the truth of God's Word *Matthew 24:24; Acts of the Apostles 20:29.

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QUESTIONS FOR THIS OP (Scripture please)

Q1. What is the true gospel?
Q2. Why has God given us His grace for?
Q3. What is sin
Q4. Can we receive God's salvation and grace if we do not know what sin is?
Q5. How do we know what sin is?
Q6. Can we have Gods' grace without God's law?
Q7. What is the purpose of God's law (10 commandments) in the new covenant?

...................

What do you think dear friends. Are you following the everlasting gospel and where is it leading you? Where does the "another gospel" lead us?

Friendly discussion please.

God bless :wave:
Hi LoveGodsWord,

Good to see you again!

Since there's several questions, can we just take one at a time so the posts don't get too long?

imo, the Bible uses the word gospel in different ways in different places. Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom towards the beginning of his ministry, but that might not have been the same thing that Paul defines as the gospel in Corinthians.

The true gospel may be better understood as the Gospel of Truth.

What is it? That God loves us and has done all kinds of amazing things to draw us to himself, including raising Jesus from the dead.
 
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Hi LoveGodsWord,

Good to see you again!

Since there's several questions, can we just take one at a time so the posts don't get too long?

imo, the Bible uses the word gospel in different ways in different places. Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom towards the beginning of his ministry, but that might not have been the same thing that Paul defines as the gospel in Corinthians.

The true gospel may be better understood as the Gospel of Truth.

What is it? That God loves us and has done all kinds of amazing things to draw us to himself, including raising Jesus from the dead.

Hello Leaf absolutely, I have a scripture, response for each of the questions above. I will post them latter and link them back into the OP. I think just discussing them one at a time is fine

God bless.
 
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imo, the Bible uses the word gospel in different ways in different places. Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom towards the beginning of his ministry, but that might not have been the same thing that Paul defines as the gospel in Corinthians.

The true gospel may be better understood as the Gospel of Truth.

What is it? That God loves us and has done all kinds of amazing things to draw us to himself, including raising Jesus from the dead.

So what is the gospel in your view Leaf?
 
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So what is the gospel in your view Leaf?
Well I think the words gospel or good news are used in different ways in different places in the scriptures.

In the book of isaiah, where it says how beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news, it's probably referring to the idea of a messenger telling Judah and Jerusalem of a miraculous victory that God has brought about, possibly the death of the Assyrians at the time of Hezekiah.
 
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Well I think the words gospel or good news is used in different ways in different places in the scriptures.

In the book of isaiah, where it says how beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news, it's probably referring to the idea of a messenger telling Judah and Jerusalem of a miraculous victory that God has brought about, possibly the death of the Assyrians at the time of Hezekiah.

Goodness I am appreciating your answers and can see they are of the same view as mine being based on the scriptures. This is correct the gospel in the Greek simply means "good news" I will post some more on this through the scriptures shortly but if you do a scripture study on "gospel" it is every word of God that includes both the old and new testament scriptures *Matthew 4:4 because Gods' Word (the bible) is good news to those who believe and follow it and it is the Word of God that points to the living Word is Jesus Christ! Is this your thinking too?

God bless
 
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Goodness I am appreciating your answers and can see they are of the same view as mine being based on the scriptures. This is correct the gospel in the Greek simply means "good news" I will post some more on this through the scriptures shortly but if you do a scripture study on "gospel" it is every word of God that includes both the old and new testament scriptures *Matthew 4:4 because Gods' Word (the bible) is good news to those who believe and follow it and it is the Word of God that points to the living Word is Jesus Christ! Is this your thinking too?

God bless
Well, not quite. I do agree that the good news could refer to all of the scriptures.

But I don't think that would be its usage in every case that it appears in the scriptures.
 
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Well, not quite. I do agree that the good news could refer to all of the scriptures. But I don't think that would be its usage in every case that it appears in the scriptures.

Thanks for the clarification Leaf, I will post why I believe gospel is the all the Word of God as all the Word of God leads us to Jesus as the Living Word of God and God's plan of salvation for all mankind. I also agree that context and application can also be specific as to how the word "gospel (good news)" is used.
 
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Q1. WHAT IS THE TRUE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

The death, burial and resurrection of Christ is the central theme of the Gospel but the biblical definition of the gospel is every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God *Matthew 4:4

Lets look at the scriptures...

The Gospel means; G2098 εὐαγγέλιον euaggelion n. a good message; Good news).

Ok I think most know that the word Gospel means good news or a good message. So if you only believe that the Gospel is the death burial and resurrection of Christ, how do we harmonize the following scriptures......

After Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.....

Mark 1:15 [15], And saying, The time is fulfilled, and THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.

Wait a minute? Jesus is ONLY JUST STARTING HIS MINISTRY and has NOT DIED, has not been buried and if he has not died and not been buried he certainly has not been resurrected. Yet here we have Jesus BEGINNING his MINISTRY and preaching the GOSPEL

and again..................

Mark 8:35 [35], For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but WHOSOEVER SHALL LOSE HIS LIFE FOR MY SAKE AND THE GOSPELS, THE SAME SHALL SAVE IT.

Well here we have it again the Gospel is being preached BEFORE the death of Jesus and again......

Matthew 4:23 [23], And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Seems like Matthew and Mark both agree that Jesus is preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom before the death of Jesus...

Matthew 9:35 [35], And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Yep Jesus still going about everywhere preaching the Gospel. His whole Ministry BEFORE His DEATH was preaching the GOSPEL..

Matthew 11:4-5 [4], Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: [5], The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and THE POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.

and again..............

Matthew 24:14 [14], And this GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Yep Jesus is still preaching the Gospel before His Death and Resurrection. Mathew and Mark both agree.....
Luke talks about Jesus in the Synagogue.....

Luke 7:22 [22], Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED.

Yep Matthew, Mark and Luke all agree the Gospel was being preached BEFORE the DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS.

Luke 20:1 [1], And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and PREACHED THE GOSPEL, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

Yep there goes Jesus again teaching the people in the temple and preaching the GOSPEL before the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.....

So ok lets bring it all together............

The Good New (Gospel) is JESUS and Jesus is the WORD OF GOD. It is the WORD OF GOD THAT IS THE GOSPEL that we are to BELIEVE IN AND LIVE BY. (Matt 4:4; John 1-1-4; John 3:16). It is by GRACE that we are SAVED <HOW?> THROUGH FAITH and NOT of your selves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS LEST ANY MAN should boast.

Jesus's ministry started since he was a child but more so after the Baptism of John and his temptation in the wilderness where he soon after started preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND! (Matthew 4:17; 23; 9:35; 11:5; 24:14; 26:16)

Did you know that the Gospel was being preached BEFORE the NEW Testament scriptures (Hebrews 4:2)? The GOSPEL is indeed JESUS; the Word of God and he is the good news of the Old and NEW Testament scripture that we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW.

The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST; THE SON OF GOD <the WORD OF GOD; John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6>

THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT....

Galatians 3:8 [8], And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, PREACHED BEFORE THE GOSPEL UNTO ABRAHAM, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Yep once again seems like Abraham had the Gospel in his day in the OLD Testament well before Mt Sinai...

Luke 4:17 [17], And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, [18], The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because HE HAS ANNOTATED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19], To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Well it seems like Isaiah from the OLD TESTAMENT knew about the Gospel (Isaiah 52:7 pointing to Jesus in Luke 7:22) so the Gospel indeed was being preached BEFORE the DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS even in the OLD TESTAMENT.......

The Gospel was preached to God's people leaving Egypt...

Context...

Hebrews 3:7-19
[7], Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
[8], Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10], Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11], So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
[12], Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[13], But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
[14], For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
[15], While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16], For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17], But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18], And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19], So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Continuing...

Hebrews 4:1-4
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], FOR UNTO US WAS THE GOSPEL PREACHED AS WELL AS UNTO THEM; BUT THE WORD PREACHED DID NOT PROFIT THEM NOT BEING MIXED WITH FAITH IN THEM THAT HEARD IT.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

...............

CONCLUSION: According to the scriptures THE TRUE GOSPEL IS ALL THE WORD OF GOD of the old and new testament scriptures that points to JESUS as the living Word of God and God's plan of salvation revealed through His Word which is "good news" for all those who believe and follow them. It is God's Word that is the gospel in both the old and new testament scriptures because both point to Jesus and Jesus is the central theme of the God's good news for mankind pointing to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus and God's sacrifice for the sins of the world.

Hope this is helpful. (I will link this to the OP so it is easy to find)
 
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The true gospel may be better understood as the Gospel of Truth.
I missed this before, but I agree with this statement which links directly to the scriptures here in support of the gospel being all the Word of God.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through your truth: YOUR WORD IS TRUTH.

Matthew 4:4 Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD.

God bless.
 
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Q1. WHAT IS THE TRUE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

The death, burial and resurrection of Christ is the central theme of the Gospel but the biblical definition of the gospel is every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God *Matthew 4:4

Lets look at the scriptures...

The Gospel means; G2098 εὐαγγέλιον euaggelion n. a good message; Good news).

Ok I think most know that the word Gospel means good news or a good message. So if you only believe that the Gospel is the death burial and resurrection of Christ, how do we harmonize the following scriptures......

After Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.....

Mark 1:15 [15], And saying, The time is fulfilled, and THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.

Wait a minute? Jesus is ONLY JUST STARTING HIS MINISTRY and has NOT DIED, has not been buried and if he has not died and not been buried he certainly has not been resurrected. Yet here we have Jesus BEGINNING his MINISTRY and preaching the GOSPEL

and again..................

Mark 8:35 [35], For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but WHOSOEVER SHALL LOSE HIS LIFE FOR MY SAKE AND THE GOSPELS, THE SAME SHALL SAVE IT.

Well here we have it again the Gospel is being preached BEFORE the death of Jesus and again......

Matthew 4:23 [23], And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Seems like Matthew and Mark both agree that Jesus is preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom before the death of Jesus...

Matthew 9:35 [35], And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Yep Jesus still going about everywhere preaching the Gospel. His whole Ministry BEFORE His DEATH was preaching the GOSPEL..

Matthew 11:4-5 [4], Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: [5], The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and THE POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.

and again..............

Matthew 24:14 [14], And this GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Yep Jesus is still preaching the Gospel before His Death and Resurrection. Mathew and Mark both agree.....
Luke talks about Jesus in the Synagogue.....

Luke 7:22 [22], Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED.

Yep Matthew, Mark and Luke all agree the Gospel was being preached BEFORE the DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS.

Luke 20:1 [1], And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and PREACHED THE GOSPEL, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

Yep there goes Jesus again teaching the people in the temple and preaching the GOSPEL before the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.....

So ok lets bring it all together............

The Good New (Gospel) is JESUS and Jesus is the WORD OF GOD. It is the WORD OF GOD THAT IS THE GOSPEL that we are to BELIEVE IN AND LIVE BY. (Matt 4:4; John 1-1-4; John 3:16). Why do you say it is a "works based doctrine" when we have to BELIEVE EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD? It is by GRACE that we are SAVED <HOW?> THROUGH FAITH and NOT of your selves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS LEST ANY MAN should boast.

Now if you do not know what the GOSPEL is how can you preach it to others? Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the MOUTH of GOD.

Jesus's ministry started since he was a child but more so after the Baptism of John and his temptation in the wilderness where he soon after started preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND! (Matthew 4:17; 23; 9:35; 11:5; 24:14; 26:16)

Did you know that the Gospel was being preached BEFORE the NEW Testament scriptures (Hebrews 4:2)? The GOSPEL is indeed JESUS; the Word of God and he is the good news of the Old and NEW Testament scripture that we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW.

The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST; THE SON OF GOD <the WORD OF GOD; John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6>

THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT....

Galatians 3:8 [8], And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, PREACHED BEFORE THE GOSPEL UNTO ABRAHAM, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Yep once again seems like Abraham had the Gospel in his day in the OLD Testament well before Mt Sinai...

Luke 4:17 [17], And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, [18], The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because HE HAS ANNOTATED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19], To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Well it seems like Isaiah from the OLD TESTAMENT knew about the Gospel (Isaiah 52:7 pointing to Jesus in Luke 7:22) so the Gospel indeed was being preached BEFORE the DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS even in the OLD TESTAMENT.......

The Gospel was preached to God's people leaving Egypt...

Context...

Hebrews 3:7-19
[7], Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
[8], Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10], Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11], So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
[12], Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[13], But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
[14], For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
[15], While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16], For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17], But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18], And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19], So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Continuing...

Hebrews 4:1-4
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], FOR UNTO US WAS THE GOSPEL PREACHED AS WELL AS UNTO THEM; BUT THE WORD PREACHED DID NOT PROFIT THEM NOT BEING MIXED WITH FAITH IN THEM THAT HEARD IT.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

...............

CONCLUSION: According to the scriptures THE TRUE GOSPEL IS ALL THE WORD OF GOD of the old and new testament scriptures that points to JESUS as the living Word of God and God's plan of salvation revealed through His Word which is "good news" for all those who believe and follow them. It is God's Word that is the gospel and it is God's Word we are to live by according to the scriptures *Matthew 4:4

Hope this is helpful. (I will link this to the OP so it is easy to find)
Do you believe that every time the word gospel is used it refers to all the words in the scriptures?
 
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Q2. WHAT HAS GOD GIVEN US HIS GRACE FOR?

According to the scriptures God has given us His grace because the wages of sin is death *Romans 6:23, and we have all sinned and fall short of the glory and image of God in which mankind was originally created *Genesis 1:26; Romans 3:23. Yet God so loved our world that he sent us His only begotten son that whosoever believes on him should not perish but have everlasting life *John 3:16. JESUS died the death that we deserve to die because he loves us and sacrificed His own life to save us *Romans 5:8 in order to bring those who believe His Word and accept His free gift of grace through faith back to God *1 John 5:4.

God has given us His free gift of Grace and forgiveness through Jesus who has paid the penalty for our sins. All we can do to receive it is to hold out our hand in faith and receive God's grace as a free gift by believing and following God's Word! God's Word says if we believe God's Word and seek to follow His Word through repentance *Matthew 4:17; Acts of the Apostles 2:38; 3:19; and confession of our sins *Proverbs 28:13 that Jesus is our faithful high Priest ministering on our behalf *Hebrews 7:1-25 who is faithful and just to forgiven us for our sins and not only to forgive us for our sins but to cleanse us from all unrighteousness *1 John 1:9 if we believe on him and accept his sacrifice on the cross and death and resurrection through faith 1 John 5:4 and promises to give us a new heart to love and follow him according to God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 to those who have been born again (John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9) to walk in God' Spirit *Galatians 5:16 through continuing in believing and following God's Word *John 8:31-36; John 17:17; 1 John 5:3-4.

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CONCLUSIONS: So why has God given us His Grace for? We have all sinned and the wages of sin is death. We need God's Grace because we are all sinners in need of God's salvation from sin. God's grace therefore according to the scriptures is the free gift of God's salvation to those who believe and follow God's Word *Ephesians 2:8-9 for obedience to the faith or so we can be reconciled back to God's image and be saved from our sins and walk in obedience to God's Word through His Spirit

Romans 1:5 By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name

God bless
 
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Do you believe that every time the word gospel is used it refers to all the words in the scriptures?
Gospel simply means good news in the Greek. This is applied to contexts application through the scriptures. As shown above all of God's Word is the good news of God's salvation for all of mankind so the Word of God is the gospel which points to the living Word of God - JESUS who is the central theme of the gospel.
 
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Q.3 WHAT IS SIN?

Sin from the Greek word ἁμαρτάνω (hamartánō | G264) means missing the mark. So the next question should be, missing the mark of what exactly? According to the scriptures and the biblical definition of sin hamartánō as applied to scripture context and subject matter means missing the mark of obedience to Gods' law and the word also means to trespass; to wonder from the law of God or to do moral wrong or evil. We see that Jesus uses the same Greek word hamartánō when he says to the women caught in adultery, "Go and sin no more" in John 8:11.

In the Greek and the Hebrew it is not the word meaning that determines interpretation and application. It is the context and subject matter. Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments for example in James 2:10-11. John defines sin as the breaking of God's law in 1 John 3:4 and Paul also defines sin as breaking God's commandments in Romans 7:7 using the example of the 10th commandment (thou shalt not covet) also stating in Romans 3:20 that it is through God's law that we have the knowledge of what sin is. Not believing and following what Gods' Word says is also defined by Paul as sin in Romans 14:23. So trying to use the Greek word ἁμαρτάνω (hamartánō | G264) in isolation from subject matter of scripture in isolation of context does not really tell us much and can result in a distortion and misapplication of the scriptures if taken alone in isolation of scripture context and subject.

It is God's Word (the scriptures) that define subject matter and context as demonstrated above defining sin as breaking God's law. Therefore missing the mark of obedience to God's law is what sin is according to the scriptures. According to the scriptures we are told in John that those how are born again do not knowingly practice sin (breaking God's law or not believing and following his Word) *1 John 3:6-9 and that sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:9-10. John also goes on to say that those who say they know God do not know him if they are practicing known unrepentant sin in 1 John 2:3-4 agreeing with Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23. We should therefore believe God's definition of sin which is the transgression of the law or not believing and following God's Word (1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23)

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CONCLUSION: Sin is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 or not believing and following God's Word *Romans 14:23

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW: FOR I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST EXCEPT THE LAW HAS SAID THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

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Gospel simply means good news in the Greek. This is applied to contexts application through the scriptures. As shown above all of God's Word is the good news of God's salvation for all of mankind so the Word of God is the gospel which points to the living Word of God - JESUS who is the central theme of the gospel.
Do you believe that a person must have the entire Bible in order to have life, as in a person lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God?

Suppose a person has all of the scriptures except for the second chapter of Ezra. Would they be able to have life?
 
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THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL OR ANOTHER GOSPEL WHICH DO YOU FOLLOW?

Hi Guys,

The other thread seemed to have disappeared because of a technicality. Anyhow this is an undated version with some new questions for consideration.

In God's Word the bible speaks of the everlasting Gospel in Revelation 14:6 as part of the three angels messages as the last message of warning given to the world before the second coming and warns us about receiving "another gospel" preaching another Jesus or a false gospel that is not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (false teachings) in 2 Corinthians 11:4; Galatians 1:6-7; Acts of the Apostles 20:29.

I think this topic is an important one for us to understand as it is written in the very Words of Jesus, that in the last days there will be many false teachers seeking to lead God's people away from the truth of God's Word *Matthew 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1-3.

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QUESTIONS FOR THIS OP (I will link my answers to these question back here to the OP when answered)

Q1. What is the true gospel? (linked)
Q2. Why has God given us His grace for? (linked)
Q3. What is sin (linked)
Q4. Can we receive God's salvation and grace if we do not know what sin is?
Q5. Does God's law lead us to God's Grace if so how it not why not?
Q6. Can we have Gods' grace without God's law?
Q7. What is the purpose of God's law (10 commandments) in the new covenant?

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What do you think dear friends. Are you following the everlasting gospel and where is it leading you? What therefore is the "another gospel" and where can it lead us?

Friendly discussion please.

God bless :wave:

I think your first question is valid for the topic you speak of, but I don't care to participate in the other questions, which aren't on topic of this thread, and may only be in order to express an SDA view of Scripture.

The warnings about another gospel and another Jesus by Apostle Paul involve the proper interpretation of the "antichrist" idea per Apostle John. In 1 John 2:18, he pointed to a singular coming "antichrist" the brethren had already heard shall come. And in the latter phrase he pointed to the idea of the "many antichrists" that were already at work. That has been wrongly combined into one "antichrist" idea, pointing to many, which per your post, you have succumbed to. But it is not correct.

When did the brethren already hear that antichrist shall come? John makes that statement at the first part of the verse...

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

KJV

John says that in red to mean the brethren had already heard that antichrist shall come, so when did they first hear about that? The answer is, they already knew that warning from Lord Jesus, in John 14:30 that the prince of this world cometh, and has nothing in Christ.

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV


That is about a singular antichrist, the devil himself.

John's idea that "even now are there many antichrists" is about the devil's servants that have already been here at work. That is the same idea as Paul's "mystery of iniquity" idea already at work per 2 Thess.2.


This is where you missed when quoting Matthew 24:24, because you wrongly interpreted that to be about the "many antichrists". It's actually about the "another Jesus" idea. Here's why:

The Greek for "false Christs" in Matthew 24:24 is the word 'pseudochristos', made up of two Greek words - pseudo which means false or fake, and christos which is Greek for 'Christ' (singular). The direct translation is actually 'false Christ', not plural. This is why Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated 'pseudochristos' to 'a spurious Messiah'. And if one properly reads the context of that Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture, it will be found that it is in the singular tense:

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, 'Lo, here is Christ, or there'; believe it not.


The above verse 23 context is about a singular false Christ, not many.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, 'Behold, He is in the desert'; go not forth: 'behold, He is in the secret chambers'; believe it not.
KJV


Once again, the above verse 26 context is about a specific false Christ, not many.

In the Matthew 24:5 verse is where the warning of the 'many antichrists' links to, as Jesus said don't let any man deceive you, for "many" would come in His name saying they are Christ. That's the many through history that have claimed to be Christ, and those men who try to claim that even today. Those are the "many antichrists" of John, not John's first mention of antichrist that the brethren had heard shall come.


Do the 2 Cor.11, and 2 Thess.2 examples of a false one follow this same context, with a singular antichrist, and his workers as the many antichrists? Yes.

In 2 Cor.11, Paul points to the "another Jesus" compared with false apostles. He then links it with Satan disguising himself as an angel of light, and his ministers as the ministers of righteousness. In 2 Thess.2, the false one there is to come to Jerusalem and sit in a rebuilt temple proclaiming himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped. And then Paul mentions just a little later there that the "mystery of iniquity" is already at work, which is about the "many antichrists" John mentioned.
 
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Do you believe that a person must have the entire Bible in order to have life, as in a person lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God?

Suppose a person has all of the scriptures except for the second chapter of Ezra. Would they be able to have life?

Hi Leaf, I believe Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and James 4:17 answers this really well. God only holds us accountable to what we know not what we do not know and in times of ignorance God winks at until he gives us a knowledge of His truth at which time he expects us to believe and follow His Word.
 
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I think your first question is valid for the topic you speak of, but I don't care to participate in the other questions, which aren't on topic of this thread, and may only be in order to express an SDA view of Scripture.

Hi Davy,

Welcome and of course you have a right to your view and it will be respected here as this is all only friendly discussion on the scriptures and Gods' Words which I pray may be edifying for everyone involved and we are all free to disagree if needed but I hope can also be challenged in what we all may believe or not believe so we can all have a greater walk with Jesus. I may comment on your post but brake my responses down to smaller posts so they may be easier to follow rather then make one large one.

For me personally, I believe all the questions in the OP are valid as all questions are in relation to the true gospel which the bible defines as being all the Word of God as all the Word of God is good news leading to the central theme of the gospel which is Jesus as the living Word of God and Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world and Gods' salvation for all who choose by His grace to believe and follow His Word.

I am curious though, why do you think the other questions in this OP are not on topic if the Word of God is the gospel as already shown in the scriptures in post # 9 linked?

God bless
 
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The warnings about another gospel and another Jesus by Apostle Paul involve the proper interpretation of the "antichrist" idea per Apostle John. In 1 John 2:18, he pointed to a singular coming "antichrist" the brethren had already heard shall come. And in the latter phrase he pointed to the idea of the "many antichrists" that were already at work. That has been wrongly combined into one "antichrist" idea, pointing to many, which per your post, you have succumbed to. But it is not correct.

When did the brethren already hear that antichrist shall come? John makes that statement at the first part of the verse...

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
KJV

John says that in red to mean the brethren had already heard that antichrist shall come, so when did they first hear about that? The answer is, they already knew that warning from Lord Jesus, in John 14:30 that the prince of this world cometh, and has nothing in Christ.

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

That is about a singular antichrist, the devil himself.

John's idea that "even now are there many antichrists" is about the devil's servants that have already been here at work. That is the same idea as Paul's "mystery of iniquity" idea already at work per 2 Thess.2.

I do kind of agree with this section of your post Davy but I think there is a little more you to it in my understanding and of course it is good to talk about these things to improve our understanding of the scriptures. The scripture says...

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

I do agree that John (1 John 2:18) talks about both "the antichrist" (ἀντίχριστος (antíchristos G500) meaning opposed to Christ and also "many antichrists" plural

We know that Jesus is the living Word of God so this matches the warnings given by Jesus and Paul which is in regards to false teachers, false doctrines, false Christs and false prophets (will go look a little deeper at Matthew 24:24 in the next post). It may mean one who stands against Christ, or one who stands instead of Christ; just as ἀντιστράτηγος may mean either one who stands in the place of a στρατηγός praetor, a propraetor, or an opposing general. John never uses the word ψευδόχριστος false Christ here (Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22) but one that is opposed to Christ or the opposite of Christ as "anti" or against either by doctrine (false teachers) that lead us away from God or His Word. The context here is to 1 John 2:1-6 and that if we are in him we ought to walk the way Jesus walked. This is contrasted in 1 John 2:3-4 where we are warned that those who say they know God (false teachers) and do not keep God's commandments are liars and the truth is not in them *1 John 2:3-4. This is contrasted with 1 John 2:18 that says

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Application here to false teachings or being in the world and departing the faith as shown in the next scripture where it says..

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The application here is to "antichrist" or opposed to Christ is not to False Christs and false prophets as in Matthew 24:24 as the latter is pretending to uphold Christ while in action and teachings denying him while the former can be opposed to Christ in many ways that lead us away from God to the world for example we read further...

1Jo 2:22-24, Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son.[23], Whoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: he that acknowledges the Son has the Father also. [24], Let that therefore abide in you, which you have heard from the beginning. If that which you have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, you also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

Application to antichrist here is to those who deny Jesus as the Christ (the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah) therefore their teachings were antichrist.

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CONCLUSIONS: According to John there are many antichrists. Any teachings that is opposed to the truth of God's Word is antichrist, just the same as any teaching that leads us away from God and His Word is against Christ and His Word. There is also "the antichrist" representing the devil and everything he uses to lead God's people away from God and His Word.
 
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This is where you missed when quoting Matthew 24:24, because you wrongly interpreted that to be about the "many antichrists". It's actually about the "another Jesus" idea. Here's why:

The Greek for "false Christs" in Matthew 24:24 is the word 'pseudochristos', made up of two Greek words - pseudo which means false or fake, and christos which is Greek for 'Christ' (singular). The direct translation is actually 'false Christ', not plural. This is why Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated 'pseudochristos' to 'a spurious Messiah'. And if one properly reads the context of that Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture, it will be found that it is in the singular tense:

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, 'Lo, here is Christ, or there'; believe it not.

The above verse 23 context is about a singular false Christ, not many.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, 'Behold, He is in the desert'; go not forth: 'behold, He is in the secret chambers'; believe it not.
KJV

Once again, the above verse 26 context is about a specific false Christ, not many.

In the Matthew 24:5 verse is where the warning of the 'many antichrists' links to, as Jesus said don't let any man deceive you, for "many" would come in His name saying they are Christ. That's the many through history that have claimed to be Christ, and those men who try to claim that even today. Those are the "many antichrists" of John, not John's first mention of antichrist that the brethren had heard shall come.

I did not wrongly interpret anything from Matthew 24:24 but allow me to show why. Here I just want to share a different perspective for your consideration here over a few detailed posts as your kind of right but also kind of wrong but I would like to share with you what I know if it may be helpful to the discussion. I am not sure if you know much about the Koine Greek or not but you are correct if your using the Greek word ψευδόχριστοι alone in isolation as a meaning alone from context for false Christs in Matthew 24:24 or false prophets in the same scripture which for "false Christs" ψευδόχριστοι (pseudóchristos | G5580) means a false Christ or spurious Messiah or someone who is a false pretender laying hold to the office of the Messiah. It's application in Matthew 24:24 and Mark 13:22 however is plural because ψευδοχριστοι is used here as a noun that is nominative plural masculine. This is the same with false prophets. So the application here is plural and not singular which is the reason all bible translation (not one or two) have translated Matthew 24:24 to "false Christs and false prophets" plural application. This also agreeing with the scripture chapter contexts of Matthew 24:5 that says For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. All of Matthew 24 is future tense when Jesus was speaking to the disciples and subject matter was to the signs of the last days before the second coming and the end of the world *Matthew 24:3. So for me looking at all the context and the Greek here, I believe the application of Matthew 24:24 to "false Christs and false prophets" is a fulfillment of the scriptures today. For example we have over 40,000 different religions all professing to be Christ's true Church from some of the last consensus in regards to Christian religions. Now I am not sure how true this number is or is not but even if there were only 20 that is 19 Churchs too many all professing to be God's true Church. Today I believe we are seeing the fulfillment of false Christs and false prophets in the form of false Christian religions all professing to be the chosen of God but preaching a different Jesus as Jesus us the head of the body which is the church. There are too many difference heads in the world today in fulfillment of Matthew 24:24 so we know we are living in the last days. We could also talk about 2 Peter 2:1-3 and also Acts of the Apostles 20:29 which all agree with what has been shared with you here through the scriptures but I think what has been shared already will be sufficient for now.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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