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What is the purpose of life? [moved]

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Why would you not want to know who, what, when or how about our creator ? It would be nice if we all knew this before death of the organic matter (body), a part of the soul that I call 'I' is the Intelligent section as we all know the soul moves on to a better place.

We only have the Bible to explain these questions. Anything outside of the Bible would be purely speculation. There’s nothing wrong with contemplation as long as we realize these are only possibilities and not necessarily actual facts.
 
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Everything in life has a mathematical equation, we may not know all the equations as of yet. If this was the case it would demonstrate it has been made by something i.e. planned rather than just big bang theory although the big bang did occur. This was when organic matter was introduced for growth and experimental reasons but without the intelligence. Organic matter was not intelligent at the start of the earth but the start of mankind.

Evolution evolved organic matter to a position where man could be created by inputting intelligence.
There is no over-arching ontological purpose. Life just exists. People often make the mistake of attributing purpose to things that just are. People want to think human life is more special because we are conscious and can consider such ideas. it doesn't make it true. Ancient authors invented religions because they thought we had purpose. I don't believe we do.
 
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OK, so it wasn't intelligence, but self-awareness that was 'input'.
A conduit to God was input. Self awareness was the result of wrongfully taking it upon ourselves to chose knowledge which made us self aware. Who told you you were naked? Once we put a virus in that conduit God could no longer trust us to do his will without adding our two cents.
 
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Ancient authors invented religions because they thought we had purpose.
Then died a martyr's death, refusing to admit they invented it, right?
 
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Then died a martyr's death, refusing to admit they invented it, right?
Who do you think died a martyrs death. Only a handful of people died for Christian beliefs in the 1st Century. That's nothing-Muslims died for Muhammed; would you accept he same argument when it is applied to Islam? I'm betting you would not..
 
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Who do you think died a martyrs death.
Oh ... Matthew, Mark, Luke, Peter, Paul, just to name a few.
Caliban said:
Only a handful of people died for Christian beliefs in the 1st Century.
But not for inventing something, writing about it, then refusing to admit they made it up.
Caliban said:
That's nothing-Muslims died for Muhammed;
Did they also invent-then-write the Koran?
Caliban said:
would you accept he same argument when it is applied to Islam?
You started out talking about "authors," now you want to talk about those who believe what was authored.

After, of course, I brought up a good point about dying for what they wrote.

Remember saying this?
Ancient authors invented religions because they thought we had purpose.
Now suddenly it's this:
Only a handful of people died for Christian beliefs in the 1st Century. That's nothing-Muslims died for Muhammed;
What gives here?
 
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A conduit to God was input. Self awareness was the result of wrongfully taking it upon ourselves to chose knowledge which made us self aware.
So it wasn't intelligence and it wasn't self-awareness, it was 'a conduit to God' that was input. This story changes more often than bible interpretations.

Who told you you were naked? Once we put a virus in that conduit God could no longer trust us to do his will without adding our two cents.
I have no idea what you're talking about. But if God was omniscient, it would know what we were going to do; trust is not relevant with omniscience.
 
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So it wasn't intelligence and it wasn't self-awareness, it was 'a conduit to God' that was input. This story changes more often than bible interpretations.
nope. God said make in our image. Conduit for God's will to be done through us. We were told not to eat of the tree. Eve did using self will rather than the will of God. Original sin. Result... self awareness. and the trouble started.
 
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I have no idea what you're talking about. But if God was omniscient, it would know what we were going to do; trust is not relevant with omniscience.
Of course.. a beta version must go through the process of glitches in order to correct. As we had become self aware it was now a matter of self correction and we as self aware humans are not the greatest at that. The angels had rebelled similarly. We were beta, angels 2.0 so to speak, create a better system. We are not there yet.
 
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Oh ... Matthew, Mark, Luke, Peter, Paul, just to name a few.But not for inventing something, writing about it, then refusing to admit they made it up.Did they also invent-then-write the Koran?You started out talking about "authors," now you want to talk about those who believe what was authored.

After, of course, I brought up a good point about dying for what they wrote.

Remember saying this?Now suddenly it's this:What gives here?
The simple fact is that most of the New Testament is composed by anonymous and pseudonymous authors. Matthew, Mark, and Luke did not actually write those books. They are dated later. Half of Pauls letters are pseudonymous. They cannot be counted as eyewitnesses.
 
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The simple fact is that most of the New Testament is composed by anonymous and pseudonymous authors. Matthew, Mark, and Luke did not actually write those books. They are dated later. Half of Pauls letters are pseudonymous. They cannot be counted as eyewitnesses.
Pseudepigrapha, are they?

Academia would bury these guys in lies, if it wasn't for God preserving their names.
 
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Pseudepigrapha, are they?

Academia would bury these guys in lies, if it wasn't for God preserving their names.
Men preserve the Bible. Men wrote it, men talk about it, and men think it is more important than it is. As a piece of literature and culture--sure, it has value. But when you just repeat your belief over and over without any evidence, I just dismiss it.
 
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They got what they deserved, did they?
You just don't have all the facts. He is referring to the fact that the origin story of Christianity is embellished by the authors of the first and second centuries. The Christian martyr narrative is a legend.
 
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You just don't have all the facts. He is referring to the fact that the origin story of Christianity is embellished by the authors of the first and second centuries. The Christian martyr narrative is a legend.
He knows exactly what I mean. But rather than admit when he doesn't have any evidence for his assertions, he just doubles down.
 
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