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What is the point of thanking God?

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"The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.” Genesis 6:5-7

Well to be honest I feel like God had the right idea there. The creation of life was a mistake and it should all be annihilated.

Now he seems to want to play some sort of game with people.
 
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Prayers should be humble not noble. Ask God what He wants you to be what He wants you to have, to know, to see. You will never find satisfaction and purpose in things that you want not in purpose you are created for. You may ask for most noble of things but God knows better then you what you need since He is the one who created you and you are just asking for wrong thing.

Would be nice if he just said what that was. I just follow what seems to be the most efficient course of action.

Everything in this world is there to create character in you. Everything that happens to you, everything that does not happen is there to create your character to be, some day used for purpose for which you were created. You, who you are is not a sum of your circumstances but of your responses to them. You can either overcome them learn from them or you can give up, break down and wallow in self-pity. This world and everything in it is just one giant character training ground.

Sounds like a very twisted game to me and nobody volunteered for this. Some type of spiritual game wrapped in an enigma. The Bible makes it very clear that most of humanity is failing miserably at this grand game and I'm clearly one of the people low on the scoreboard.

I have responded to life's circumstances with coldness, heartless efficiency, and the total absence of spiritual love. That doesn't mean that I don't do the so-called "good deeds" but it does mean that I feel very little empathy when doing them. I have a great hatred for the so-called human organisms who have created so much misery in this world. This hatred drives everything that I do and it has proven to be stronger than the mushy softness that leads to nothing but naivety and depression. If I go back to being overwhelmed with grief and depression then I'll become far weaker and much more useless than I am now.

People have told stories about loving feelings and loving actions but it is always in a state of perpetual weakness. The cruel and selfish always come out ahead and they have no trouble crushing the soft ones underfoot. I do not see how we can respond to such evil with anything other than brute force.

Death is not an end, it is only the beginning. The beginning of forever. Not forever in which you are sitting on the cloud, bored out of your mind, playing on the harp. Forever in which you have responsibility, job for which you are to have character perfectly fitting when you get there. Responsibility that is perfectly satisfying while fulfilling it because that is the responsibility you were created for.
I suppose we will all get a definitive answer to that after this life. In the meantime, absolutely nothing makes any sense. I'll be more confused at death than I was in infancy.

God is part of your life if you let Him. His presence should be in you in your life not in some building somewhere where you go looking for it.
I am not capable of whatever this magical spiritual connection is. Perhaps God only loves a tiny select group of people. My heart is made of stone.

You do not have anything in your life to live for? You can start living for God then, it is so satisfactory that you will have a lot to be thankful for.

A pleasant fantasy can only go so far. I have never experienced God outside of the world of ideas. His presence is far from me and it is likely due to apathy or to the hatred that he holds for me.
 
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Then why not do something about it .we are all going to die so why not take your first steps to heaven now and try to change the things which horrify you so much .The problems on this realm where caused by man and can be cured by man or are you one of them who is going to leave the struggle for love peace and happiness to the women and children.

I have already determined what is required to "do something about it". You will NOT like my answer....in fact I risk getting banned for typing it.

You are absolutely correct in stating that the problems of this world were caused by man. However, you are naive if you think that any one person can do anything about it.

What weapons do I have at my disposal? I have a handful of guns and swords but I cannot take on the billions of violent psychopaths who infect every spot on this planet.
 
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You are absolutely correct in stating that the problems of this world were caused by man. However, you are naive if you think that any one person can do anything about it.

You are witnessing the effect of sin pervading every aspect of life and what happens when the world as a whole turns consciously away from God.

God is man's natural enemy. Unless God condescends upon man and establishes a relationship with Him they will all naturally hate Him. He has not willed this evil upon the world, but man and his natural hatred of God has brought it all upon themselves.

It is too bad that you can't thank God for allowing you to know Him. It seems to me, however, and I do not mean this in any judgmental way, that you wish things to be your way instead of His.

Man can do nothing about it. Only God can.
 
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It is too bad that you can't thank God for allowing you to know Him. It seems to me, however, and I do not mean this in any judgmental way, that you wish things to be your way instead of His.

Man can do nothing about it. Only God can.

I don't understand or trust him. For all I know, he changed his mind and moved to a different edge of the multiverse to invest in some other species. For all I know he hates our guts.
 
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Well to be honest I feel like God had the right idea there. The creation of life was a mistake and it should all be annihilated.

Now he seems to want to play some sort of game with people.


I think all of our anger, worry, and confusion, always comes from a place of not knowing the truth. It stems from, "Why is all of this happening?" and "Why are things the way they are?" And it is always because of the calamities we see and feel that gets us asking these questions.

But notice how when things are going well for us, and we are content and happy with our lives and circumstance, we never feel the need to ask such questions and therefore we avoid seeking the truth. We think, "We have it all right now, this is all we need, this is what life is all about."

But life is not all about pleasure, and it is not all about ourselves.

Many people in the world are suffering because the people who have all the pleasure in their lives don't care about anything else but themselves, because they are content with what they have. Nothing has happened yet to wake them up and cause them to wonder what life is all about.

They don't know God, and don't understand that God, who is Love, is Righteous and Just, and He cares about all the people on earth. Those who are suffering can use people's help as they have the physical means to provide for those who are starving, for example.

God is a Spirit, and His Spirit works in people to accomplish His will on earth. Yet at the same time, everyone, even born again Spirit-filled believers have a free will to choose whether or not they will serve God or themselves. God's Will is always accomplished through people who are willing to offer themselves up to do His Will instead of their own. That is why Jesus told us to deny ourselves and follow Him. And He also told us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick and widows and orphans, do justice and hate evil. It is not God's Will that man be selfish, self-seeking, and ignorant, but man's preoccupation with themselves. So the state the world is in today is not because of God, but man.

Jesus said, "You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see." (Revelation 3:17-18)
Here Jesus is talking to a "lukewarm" church who He is about to spit out of His mouth if they do not repent. Why? Because they were too busy caring for themselves, while allegedly worshiping God. And God Himself came to them and said they are wretched. White clothes represents righteous deeds. Those people were doing nothing for God. And God was not pleased.

As we see here there is no middle ground.
The problem that people have with believing that God is good is because there are many professing Christians that do not actually believe and they have caused many people to reject Christ because of their behavior. Notice in the above passage that Jesus said, "I counsel you to buy from me gold..." Gold represents faith. Many Christians these days have believed this lie from hell that they cannot lose faith. That is not true, they can, and they will lose it if they don't keep it by hearing and doing. And as we see here, we can also increase our faith as well. Faith without works is dead.

Faith comes by hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17)

May God help us all.

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I'm not sure if I want to go back to "being human" again. I was crippled with depression before. What is to be gained?


Everything.

You do not have to loose everything, including your humanity to run away from depression. Depression is not conditional to humanity.

See, this is a tool with which Satan controls humans. He does not have to give something to control a person, he just have to stop giving something he already does.

All the days of your life you experience oppression, depression, dissatisfaction.... where does it all come from? It comes from Satan. Then one comes across some kind of sin, sinful behavior and... wow! all that pressure is momentarily lifted. Person feels awesome, released and start thinking ... it feels so awesome, and natural, I must be "born this way!" Deeper and deeper into the sin he goes chasing that naturally free feeling which now comes at the higher and higher price, of more and more heavily sinful behavior.

To you that release of pressure, of depression comes when you act like selfish animal, it is "your thing".

You can find another "thing", another behavior, another sin that makes you feel good. Satan gladly trades one sin for another, only God truly sets free.

God can set you free!
 
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So Thanksgiving holiday is right around the corner here in the US.

I still refuse to thank God for anything. I don't have much family and what little I have can be lost at any moment to any of the myriad random chaotic forces in the universe. Prayers go unanswered no matter how noble they may be. In the rare event that they do go answered it is a such a minor thing that it can easily be contributed to dumb luck (which is fleeting).

Ruin, misery, insanity, and stupidity dominates the world. The only way to get through the day is to isolate oneself from it all....and that is rarely possible. Nothing can possibly be done to make things better for anyone. I have found that all the goodwill and charity in the world is worthless and usually doesn't even have a temporary positive impact on the recipient.

God has not been a part of our lives since the cross. His absence is so glaring that I can't step foot in a church anymore without get depressed by the total lack of evidence of his personal presence. In a best case scenario, life is the horror movie "Saw" and God is a variant of the Puppet Master who gives you gifts after the massacre is over.

I do not have anything in my life to live for. If someday I do have something worth living and dying for, I'll most likely live only to witness its horrific destruction. The cycle will be unending and there is no escape.

Evil always wins.

Love always fails.

No thanksgiving...


Why thank God?

Well for one thing, it ticks the devil off.




So Thanksgiving holiday is right around the corner here in the US.

I still refuse to thank God for anything. I don't have much family and what little I have can be lost at any moment to any of the myriad random chaotic forces in the universe. Prayers go unanswered no matter how noble they may be. In the rare event that they do go answered it is a such a minor thing that it can easily be contributed to dumb luck (which is fleeting).


I've got Jesus as my brother and God as my Heavenly Father. They are some very good "relatives."


Ruin, misery, insanity, and stupidity dominates the world. The only way to get through the day is to isolate oneself from it all....and that is rarely possible. Nothing can possibly be done to make things better for anyone. I have found that all the goodwill and charity in the world is worthless and usually doesn't even have a temporary positive impact on the recipient.


Not really. There is far more good than evil, oh and by the way--there is a devil who likes to isolate people. Lets him run people down and feed on them easier. As for goodwill being worthless, nope. And often just one tiny word can impact a life.

God has not been a part of our lives since the cross. His absence is so glaring that I can't step foot in a church anymore without get depressed by the total lack of evidence of his personal presence. In a best case scenario, life is the horror movie "Saw" and God is a variant of the Puppet Master who gives you gifts after the massacre is over.


God has never been absent from our lives. But I agree, His Spirit isn't commonly found in many churches. Life is not a horror movie. It's more like a race, as Hebrews chapters 10 and 11 say. You are running in a race and there's a beastly opponent who wants you to wipe out. But it's a good race, and better to keep going.


I do not have anything in my life to live for. If someday I do have something worth living and dying for, I'll most likely live only to witness its horrific destruction. The cycle will be unending and there is no escape.

Evil always wins.

Love always fails.

No thanksgiving

Okay. I think I see it. Every sentence right above from "I do not have anything to live for to "No thanksgiving," is a lie. Every one. You are hearing and believing and even dwelling on lies.


One function of gratitude is that helps keep us centered. When we stop being thankful, we can become so focused on despair, that things can seem meaningless.

Here are some truths:


You have much to live for. God has a plan for your life--for each one of us. If you're still here, there's a reason.

In the end, all is joy.

Evil has already lost.

Love of God, never has and never will fail.



Give thanks for something. Kick the devil in the hiney.
 
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Everything.

You do not have to loose everything, including your humanity to run away from depression. Depression is not conditional to humanity.

See, this is a tool with which Satan controls humans. He does not have to give something to control a person, he just have to stop giving something he already does.

All the days of your life you experience oppression, depression, dissatisfaction.... where does it all come from? It comes from Satan. Then one comes across some kind of sin, sinful behavior and... wow! all that pressure is momentarily lifted. Person feels awesome, released and start thinking ... it feels so awesome, and natural, I must be "born this way!" Deeper and deeper into the sin he goes chasing that naturally free feeling which now comes at the higher and higher price, of more and more heavily sinful behavior.

To you that release of pressure, of depression comes when you act like selfish animal, it is "your thing".

You can find another "thing", another behavior, another sin that makes you feel good. Satan gladly trades one sin for another, only God truly sets free.

God can set you free!

Then why didn't he? I was vulnerable for 15 years and God never came. I tried to convince myself that he was involved in my life but I couldn't shrug off the feeling that is was just self-delusion. There was absolutely no evidence of any kind to go with it no matter how hard I wanted to believe.

I used to be a pretty peaceful person but now whatever desire I used to have for peace has been replaced with unlimited hatred against the majority of adult humans.
 
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Then why didn't he? I was vulnerable for 15 years and God never came. I tried to convince myself that he was involved in my life but I couldn't shrug off the feeling that is was just self-delusion. There was absolutely no evidence of any kind to go with it no matter how hard I wanted to believe.

I used to be a pretty peaceful person but now whatever desire I used to have for peace has been replaced with unlimited hatred against the majority of adult humans.

The only reason why He did not is because you will not let Him. Nobody can be set free against his will. You choose to be a slave. Slave of your pride. It is unthinkable to you to submit yourself to a will of somebody other then yourself.
 
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Then why didn't he? I was vulnerable for 15 years and God never came. I tried to convince myself that he was involved in my life but I couldn't shrug off the feeling that is was just self-delusion. There was absolutely no evidence of any kind to go with it no matter how hard I wanted to believe.

I used to be a pretty peaceful person but now whatever desire I used to have for peace has been replaced with unlimited hatred against the majority of adult humans.



One Christian some people find helpful is Nick Vujicic.


Just a couple days ago, Nick posted this link with the words "Please SHARE" so I will:

Nick Vujicic World Outreach Web Series Trailer - YouTube



Here’s a video to introduce him (It’s called “Inspirational—Motivational Story of Nick Vujicic”):
Inspirational - Motivational Story of Nick Vujicic (HD) - YouTube



Here's Nick's website:

Home | Life Without Limbs

His bio:
Bio | Life Without Limbs

FAQs:
FAQ | Life Without Limbs

Videos from Nick’s site (currently about 145):

Videos | Life Without Limbs

One example there is a trailer for the Hope for Hurting Hearts DVD





Another Christian is Father Cedric Pisegna

https://frcedric.org/

His show is on television “TV times” are here:
https://frcedric.org/default.aspx/MenuItemID/125/MenuGroup/Home.htm


Videos—there are excerpts from some. He has one on The Power of Positive Thinking, another on called Cope Through Hope, and others:

https://frcedric.org/default.aspx/MenuItemID/136/MenuGroup/Home.htm



Here is his Audio Podcasts Archive:
https://frcedric.org/default.aspx?menuitemid=154


Taking a "news fast," not watching horror movies, and replacing those things with better things can be a vacation, a lifelong one.

I'm not saying life is easy. I'm saying, life is good.



Here's a song: BEFORE THE MORNING written and performed by Josh Wilson (a link to JoshWilsonVEVO):

Josh Wilson - Before The Morning (Official Music Video) - YouTube
 
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The only reason why He did not is because you will not let Him. Nobody can be set free against his will. You choose to be a slave. Slave of your pride. It is unthinkable to you to submit yourself to a will of somebody other then yourself.

Yes there is likely residual pride causing me to judge the nature of reality just as there is residual love causing frustration at it.

If I succeed at completely removing all emotion from myself then I will finally become as a machine. A machine is entirely humble and simply performs a function. If I can perform a function that is beneficial to humanity while also feeling nothing, it will be a success. That is the most that can be hoped for at this rate. If God didn't send his spirit to me before then it's pretty much never going to happen at this rate.
 
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So Thanksgiving holiday is right around the corner here in the US.

I still refuse to thank God for anything. I don't have much family and what little I have can be lost at any moment to any of the myriad random chaotic forces in the universe. Prayers go unanswered no matter how noble they may be. In the rare event that they do go answered it is a such a minor thing that it can easily be contributed to dumb luck (which is fleeting).

Ruin, misery, insanity, and stupidity dominates the world. The only way to get through the day is to isolate oneself from it all....and that is rarely possible. Nothing can possibly be done to make things better for anyone. I have found that all the goodwill and charity in the world is worthless and usually doesn't even have a temporary positive impact on the recipient.

God has not been a part of our lives since the cross. His absence is so glaring that I can't step foot in a church anymore without get depressed by the total lack of evidence of his personal presence. In a best case scenario, life is the horror movie "Saw" and God is a variant of the Puppet Master who gives you gifts after the massacre is over.

I do not have anything in my life to live for. If someday I do have something worth living and dying for, I'll most likely live only to witness its horrific destruction. The cycle will be unending and there is no escape.

Evil always wins.

Love always fails.

No thanksgiving...

Soothfish,

You have an articulate mind; I'd say that is something for which to be thankful.
 
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Then why didn't he? I was vulnerable for 15 years and God never came. I tried to convince myself that he was involved in my life but I couldn't shrug off the feeling that is was just self-delusion. There was absolutely no evidence of any kind to go with it no matter how hard I wanted to believe.

I used to be a pretty peaceful person but now whatever desire I used to have for peace has been replaced with unlimited hatred against the majority of adult humans.

You never cried out to Him. You never asked for His help, or who He is, or for the Truth.

Why not ask now?

If God came to you without you wanting Him to, He would be in violation of your will, which He gave you. He wouldn't impose Himself on you.

And how would you feel if someone didn't want anything to do with you but only what you can give them?

My heart goes out to Him, even concerning myself.
I don't know how He puts up with us.

"He rewards those that diligently seek Him." (Hebrews 11:6), that is for sure. That I can testify to you with no doubt. "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you." (James 4:8)

Look, nothing in life will even satisfy completely without the love of God, for God is love.

Why don't you ask Him where He has been the 15 years you were vulnerable, or why He never came. Or maybe you did and this is a part of your answer.
 
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If I succeed at completely removing all emotion from myself then I will finally become as a machine.

You are wasting your time and if you do it long enough you will waste you life. You are not a machine and you will never be one even if you spend all your life trying to become one. You are no more capable of becoming a machine then your toaster of becoming you.

You are beautiful created being and you are being lied to. You are told that you are good for nothing, You are just a mindless automaton not better then your toaster or vacuum cleaner. You do not have to believe those lies, you do not have to follow them.
 
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You are wasting your time and if you do it long enough you will waste you life. You are not a machine and you will never be one even if you spend all your life trying to become one. You are no more capable of becoming a machine then your toaster of becoming you.

You are beautiful created being and you are being lied to. You are told that you are good for nothing, You are just a mindless automaton not better then your toaster or vacuum cleaner. You do not have to believe those lies, you do not have to follow them.

Well that was nice of you to say but for some reason I felt disgust when you said it. I do have considerable self loathing and no interest in letting that go. I will hate myself until I become sufficiently useful.
 
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