No one is denying that human beings have the capacity of reason. On the other hand, we also have some nonrational capacities. The two function together in a nice way.
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you are underestimating the human minds capacity for self-destruction.
moving toward your goals is rational. moving away from your goals would be irrational. yet people do exactly that. the goals themselves are more or less irrelevant.
once again:No one is denying that human beings have the capacity of reason. On the other hand, we also have some nonrational capacities. The two function together in a nice way.
once again:
one has to separate 'what' people do from 'why' they do it. 'what' a person does can sometimes be irrational if they have a rational reason 'why' they should do it.
oh really? then why do people act irrationally then?
for no reason?
whats irrational about that?
i think we are, as usual in these types of discussions, talking past one another.
ever heard of 'righteous anger'?What's irrational is that I've let my passions run wild and get me into trouble, when I should have followed the more reasonable course and ignored you for calling my mom a dirty name, in the example.
ever heard of 'righteous anger'?
isnt that what i said?Ever hear of unwise actions?
I tend to agree with Aristotle that the wise man shows the right amount of anger in the right situations. The wise man, angered by someone, moderates his actions through the exercise of rationality and wisdom. There is no righteousness in foolish actions, no matter how justified the feelings of anger are.
eudaimonia,
Mark
ever heard of 'righteous anger'?
edit: anger doesnt have to be impulsive nor does it have to be hateful. if someone insults you why wouldnt you be angry?
My example should make it clear that's not what's at hand. Please try to focus on the discussion.
isnt that what i said?
doesnt 'righteous anger' imply moderation and the exercise of rationality and wisdom?
If you think reason and logic are the only worthy things, you're not living. I find fun more in the irrational than the rational side of life, and yes, fun is essential. Helps us relax a little, and reduces stress. Thus, the irrational is better than the rational at times.
What, do you think every human act should be dictated by reason? That's awfully Kantian
Actually, I think if the have a rational reason for doing something, it is necessarily rational.
I imagine it's because people sometimes follow their irrational tendencies, rather than their rational ones. For example, if you called my mom a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth], rationally, I'd know I should just ignore you and get on with my life. I'd probably be overwhelmed by my passions, though, and sock you good.
i asked 'why do people (intentionally) act irrationally'? am i to understand that your answer is that people dont intentionally act irrationally but only do so when compelled by feelings that they cant control?
thats my point.How can one intentionally act irrationally? To have intention implies rational purpose. If you intend to act on certain feelings within certain limits, you are acting rationally, IMV.
My own view here is that irrationality implies that either one's rational self-control is overwhelmed by feelings, or that one has abandoned rational self-control altogether. I suppose one can do that intentionally, but anything after that is irrational, since it has no bounds.
eudaimonia,
Mark
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