As the title line says I would like to discuss what crisis would be considered the most important issue in the body of Christ in the United States today.
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What is the most pressing issue facing the church in the US today?
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I agree that hypocrisy is a big issue. Do you have any thoughts about what could be the root of that issue?
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Hypocrisy, isn't new to religion, or christianity.. Look at all of the times Jesus calls out the Pharisees, and all of the time Paul spent in his letters "correcting christian behavior."
I think it's a need to full fill one's own desire to be righteous, but also filling their own need to pursue personal desire or personal gain. Kind of a "Self-Righteousness"
I think it's a need to full fill one's own desire to be righteous, but also filling their own need to pursue personal desire or personal gain. Kind of a "Self-Righteousness"
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Ummm....yes, I have many thoughts on the root of that issue. But those thoughts might totally derail this thread.
To rattle off a few ideas off the top of my head without thinking them through too deeply:
Ego, the wealth and comfort of North America, pride, judgmentalism, the tendency to worry about specks in other peoples' eyes, not to mention shallow theology and Biblical study and rampant blind literalism and adherance to Christian-ish myths as opposed to being willing to struggle with God.
If anyone feels the need to go into this further, perhaps they could PM me or start a new thread, I do not wish to derail this one.
To rattle off a few ideas off the top of my head without thinking them through too deeply:
Ego, the wealth and comfort of North America, pride, judgmentalism, the tendency to worry about specks in other peoples' eyes, not to mention shallow theology and Biblical study and rampant blind literalism and adherance to Christian-ish myths as opposed to being willing to struggle with God.
If anyone feels the need to go into this further, perhaps they could PM me or start a new thread, I do not wish to derail this one.
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I think that the most pressing issue facing the protestant churches in the US today is the difficulty we shall have coming to terms with our loss of hegemony in society.
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Whoever has a crisis isn't the church. The problem with the church in the USA is finding it. Or even knowing if it exists.
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There is an overwhelming lack of fear of the Lord.
Without it there is not much respect or obedience to God. Its like working for a lax boss. You do what you have to but you get away with whatever you think you can. So it is going with people, Christians, and God now.
Without it there is not much respect or obedience to God. Its like working for a lax boss. You do what you have to but you get away with whatever you think you can. So it is going with people, Christians, and God now.
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i'm opting for "other"
A scripture comes to mind; "As the king is, so is the people"
IOW, the leadership is the problem.
The student will only be what they learn from the teacher.
If the pastor/preacher/minister/priest- whatever you want to call them- is spiritually dead, the rest will follow.
They are more interested in numbers (filling the pews). If they are a dead church, why would they want more dead people ?
A scripture comes to mind; "As the king is, so is the people"
IOW, the leadership is the problem.
The student will only be what they learn from the teacher.
If the pastor/preacher/minister/priest- whatever you want to call them- is spiritually dead, the rest will follow.
They are more interested in numbers (filling the pews). If they are a dead church, why would they want more dead people ?
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There are several problems in the church today:
liberalism
Aberant movements, such as the Emergent Movement, WoF, etc
The refusal of churches to practice church discipline
The idea that all one has to do is to say a prayer and they're a Christian, or attend a Christian church and they're a Christian
The refusal of so many Christians to submit to the authority of scripture
The refusal of most Christians to preach the Gospel
liberalism
Aberant movements, such as the Emergent Movement, WoF, etc
The refusal of churches to practice church discipline
The idea that all one has to do is to say a prayer and they're a Christian, or attend a Christian church and they're a Christian
The refusal of so many Christians to submit to the authority of scripture
The refusal of most Christians to preach the Gospel
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yea...and all of these things are a direct result of the LEADERSHIP BEING DEAD.
IT'S THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND
It's not religiously correct to say the s word- SIN !
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