WHAT IS THE MENING OF MATT 26:26 AND 27 ?In Matt 26:

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Be glad if you reply with a verse , why not , just asking ???

dan p

The following mention of Paul from the previous reply is concerning the verse about the veil over their eyes which you mentioned, don't you recognize it?

Paul describes their spiritual dimness as a veil over their eyes.

You should recognize this verse as well. "So they know in part and not in fullness." (from 1 Cor.13)

Those who consider that they are familiar with the scriptures such as yourself.. might well appreciate the lack of chapt&verse all of the time and rather a straight quote.

The text (of the veil over their eyes) that you surely recognize is about how their understanding must be enlightened in Christ. Again a quote.

The same thing can occur with any Christian who reads the Bible and uses their own understanding concerning whatever they read. Their mistaken interpretations (Peters epistle where he used the phrase "private interpretation") and the similar in the Proverbs "Lean not to your own understanding") I've given enough here so you can look it up yourself if you wish to verify.

.. have to be removed by Christ- the anointing- (still using the veil over the eye verse) so thereby to know- gain revelation (another verse from Peter) knowledge about all things that pertain to life and godliness.

The more you rightly discern or know, the more you grow in Christ. [This is my own on the spot phrase conclusion] that is in line with the whole of my statements.

 

[Dan Perez]

The following mention of Paul from the previous reply is concerning the verse about the veil over their eyes which you mentioned, don't you recognize it?

Paul describes their spiritual dimness as a veil over their eyes.

You should recognize this verse as well. "So they know in part and not in fullness." (from 1 Cor.13)

Those who consider that they are familiar with the scriptures such as yourself.. might well appreciate the lack of chapt&verse all of the time and rather a straight quote.

The text (of the veil over their eyes) that you surely recognize is about how their understanding must be enlightened in Christ. Again a quote.

The same thing can occur with any Christian who reads the Bible and uses their own understanding concerning whatever they read. Their mistaken interpretations (Peters epistle where he used the phrase "private interpretation") and the similar in the Proverbs "Lean not to your own understanding") I've given enough here so you can look it up yourself if you wish to verify.

.. have to be removed by Christ- the anointing- (still using the veil over the eye verse) so thereby to know- gain revelation (another verse from Peter) knowledge about all things that pertain to life and godliness.

The more you rightly discern or know, the more you grow in Christ. [This is my own on the spot phrase conclusion] that is in line with the whole of my statements.

And the Greek VAIL is used 3 times in Matt 27:51 , in 2 Cor 3:14 and in Heb 6:19 and they all is speaking to ISRAEL !!

dan p

 

[Valletta]

In Matthew 26:26 Jesus sat down with the 12 disciples and in verse 26 gave them the bread , and He gave to them and said , Take and eat ,

this is my body !!

In verse 27 he took the cup and gave to them , saying , DRINK ye all of IT !!

In verse 26 , Jesus does not says eat ye all of the BREAD ?? Why not ??

And in verse 27 Jesus says of the cup , DRINK YE ALL OF IT ??

Your thoughts as to why the difference of verse 26 and 27 , between the BODY and His BLOOD ??

dan p , H 137

This describes the Last Supper. Jesus links this first mass to the Passover, where there are four cups of wine. Jesus does not drink the fourth cup until He is on the cross, and then Jesus tells us "It is finished."

 

[Dan Perez]

This describes the Last Supper. Jesus links this first mass to the Passover, where there are four cups of wine. Jesus does not drink the fourth cup until He is on the cross, and then Jesus tells us "It is finished."

Hi , and there were 12 apostles in Luke 22:14 for the Lords supper >\\

And in Luke 22:17 He took the CUP and gave thanks and said Take this and DIVIDE IT among yourselves

and the word MASS is not the Greek text !!

And those under the Law of Moses will NEVER drink the FRUIT of the of the vine , until the Kingdom of God shall COME .

This means you DUE NOT have to take the Lords supper until Christ until his kingdom comes and I have et n to see it !!

dan p

 

[Valletta]

Hi , and there were 12 apostles in Luke 22:14 for then Lords supper >\\

And in Luke 22:17 He took the CUP and gave thanks and said Take this and DIVIDE IT among yourselves

and the word MASS is not why are you taking you the Greek text !!

And those under the Law of Moses will NEVER drink the FRUIT of the of the vine , until the Kingdom of God shall COME .

This means you DUE NOT have to take the Lords supper until Christ until his kingdom comes and I have et n to see it !!

dan p

John 6:53-56, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him”

 

[Dan Perez]

John 6:53-56, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him”

And just asking , do you believe in WATER BAPTISM ??

dan p

 

[Valletta]

And just asking , do you believe in WATER BAPTISM ??

dan p

The sacrament of Baptism, where water is the sign, was instituted by Jesus Christ when John the Baptist baptized Him in the Jordan river. We are saved and born again through this sacrament:

1 Peter 3:20-21 who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. RSVCE

 

[Dan Perez]

The sacrament of Baptism, where water is the sign, was instituted by Jesus Christ when John the Baptist baptized Him in the Jordan river. We are saved and born again through this sacrament:

1 Peter 3:20-21 who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. RSVCE

But John 1:31 says this ! in John 1:31 , And I knew him not but that should be be made MADIFEST to Israel , therefore am i come

BAPTIZING with WATER // HUDOR .

And the book is written to Israel and NOT to the BODY OF CHRIST . PERIOD !!

Who it is talking MAKES a big difference !!

Can you show where Paul a similar verse where Paul said the Body of Christ had to be water Baptized ??

My wife is in the hospital and will not be back until Monday !

dan p

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

And the Greek VAIL is used 3 times in Matt 27:51 , in 2 Cor 3:14 and in Heb 6:19 and they all is speaking to ISRAEL !!

dan p

Both Mat.27:51; Heb.6:19 speaks of the curtain of the temple. Entirely different than a veil draped over the head to prevent sight. I think that you pulled the woolcap over your own eyes to try to make the temple curtain equal to a head-veil.

 

[Dan Perez]

Both Mat.27:51; Heb.6:19 speaks of the curtain of the temple. Entirely different than a veil draped over the head to prevent sight. I think that you pulled the woolcap over your own eyes to try to make the temple curtain equal to a head-veil.

And you believe that John 1:31 is speaking to Israel and to the Body of Christ ??

And you have NOT answered OP 28!!

dan p

 

[Valletta]

But John 1:31 says this ! in John 1:31 , And I knew him not but that should be be made MADIFEST to Israel , therefore am i come

BAPTIZING with WATER // HUDOR .

And the book is written to Israel and NOT to the BODY OF CHRIST . PERIOD !!

Who it is talking MAKES a big difference !!

Can you show where Paul a similar verse where Paul said the Body of Christ had to be water Baptized ??

My wife is in the hospital and will not be back until Monday !

dan p

John was off in the desert for years, although he may have known him as a child he did not know of Jesus for a long time. Israel, of course, had been waiting for the Messiah. Paul was given a special task by God--to preach the Gospel. It is not surprising that he says little about Baptism. But we certainly don't need all of the Apostles to say something in order for it to be true.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

And you believe that John 1:31 is speaking to Israel and to the Body of Christ ??

The word of God speaks to anyone who reads or hears God's word. To any Christian who reads any text of the Bible, it speaks to them/us. How each applies what God's word says is meant to be according to the Holy Spirit's leading.

I don't dismiss any text just because it may be addressing the covenant people Israel. I instead look for how it could in some way be speaking to me and my life in Christ Jesus.

Such as water baptism.

And you have NOT answered OP 28!!

dan p

That is Valleta's post. Not mine. I'm not going to use it to reply to you.

 

[Valletta]

And the book is written to Israel and NOT to the BODY OF CHRIST . PERIOD !!

Because Israel is mentioned does not mean the entire book is for Israel alone.

 

[Marilyn C]

The word of God speaks to anyone who reads or hears God's word. To any Christian who reads any text of the Bible, it speaks to them/us. How each applies what God's word says is meant to be according to the Holy Spirit's leading.

I don't dismiss any text just because it may be addressing the covenant people Israel. I instead look for how it could in some way be speaking to me and my life in Christ Jesus.

Hi T,

So do you read a newspaper or magazine like that as all for you?

God`s word is all about Jesus, His character and His purposes. It is not all about us or for us to apply it all. To do that you would have to pick and choose the nice bits and not the ones God says `get behind me, or ` you are of your father the devil,` etc.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Hi T,

So do you read a newspaper or magazine like that as all for you?

All that's in a newspaper can be informative at anytime to anyone. Even the advertisements, and public announcements like employment openings, or pets available at the local pet center, or wedding announcements, or a local event at a nearby park, or even the obit's. That's just to name a few news topics that have informed me throughout the years.

God`s word is all about Jesus, His character and His purposes. It is not all about us or for us to apply it all. To do that you would have to pick and choose the nice bits and not the ones God says `get behind me, or ` you are of your father the devil,` etc.

As I said I look for ways to use all scripture as the Bible says in 2 Tm.3:16 "All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right."

So likewise there have been many times when I've used "Get behind me Adversary." or, "You are of your father, the devil." Mostly in connection with Intercessory prayer, casting out demons, and also casting down unrighteous thoughts, or resisting the lower nature, or worries, emotions, memories or bad dreams 2Cor.10:4-5; Ephes.6:10-17; Jms.4:7.

As it is, none of those is on topic of this thread, so I've not seen the need to mention them.

 

[Guojing]

The word of God speaks to anyone who reads or hears God's word. To any Christian who reads any text of the Bible, it speaks to them/us. How each applies what God's word says is meant to be according to the Holy Spirit's leading.

I don't dismiss any text just because it may be addressing the covenant people Israel. I instead look for how it could in some way be speaking to me and my life in Christ Jesus.

Out of curiosity, how do you think the Holy Spirit is leading you to apply Luke 12:32-33?

1. Is the Holy Spirit telling you you are part of the little flock?
2. If yes, does that mean you also should obey Luke 12:33 fully, or partially?

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Out of curiosity, how do you think the Holy Spirit is leading you to apply Luke 12:32-33?

1. Is the Holy Spirit telling you you are part of the little flock?
2. If yes, does that mean you also should obey Luke 12:33 fully, or partially?

I've already addressed every question in my post #32. "The word of God speaks to anyone who reads or hears God's word. To any Christian who reads any text of the Bible, it speaks to them/us. How each applies what God's word says is meant to be according to the Holy Spirit's leading."

My post has gone far enough outside the limits of the OP/title of this thread, so this is not the place to go further outside it. Therefore I must turn down your request to satisfy your curiosity.

 

[Guojing]

I've already addressed every question in my post #32. "The word of God speaks to anyone who reads or hears God's word. To any Christian who reads any text of the Bible, it speaks to them/us. How each applies what God's word says is meant to be according to the Holy Spirit's leading."

My post has gone far enough outside the limits of the OP/title of this thread, so this is not the place to go further outside it. Therefore I must turn down your request to satisfy your curiosity.

I am asking for a specific application of your point.

But if you decline to answer, I understand, thanks.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

I am asking for a specific application of your point.

The specifics are in the verse of Luke, plus many other scriptures that address the topic. I am not an ordained teacher that such specifics should be asked of me.

In short, all I can say is, yes, I apply it to me.

But if you decline to answer, I understand, thanks.

Seek out your pastor, or ask God. Someone who has authority to instruct you.

 

[Guojing]

In short, all I can say is, yes, I apply it to me.

You apply Luke 12:33 to yourself literally, or the usual "If God REALLY spoke Luke 12:33 to me, THEN I will obey"?