What is the line between fact and fiction in America?

[joshua 1 9]

"Journalists should report the truth. Who would deny it? But such a statement does not get us far enough, for it fails to distinguish nonfiction from other forms of expression. Novelists can reveal great truths about the human condition, and so can poets, film makers and painters. Artists, after all, build things that imitate the world. So do nonfiction writers."

https://www.creativenonfiction.org/online-reading/line-between-fact-and-fiction

 

[VirOptimus]

Wrong forum? This has nothing to do with creation and evolution.

 

[crjmurray]

Well for those of us who are still on the fact side, you'll have to tell us how you got over there to that other side....

 

[SkyWriting]

Well for those of us who are still on the fact side, you'll have to tell us how you got over there to that other side....

A pooled weighted average of 1.97% (N = 7, 95%CI: 0.86–4.45) of scientists admitted to have fabricated, falsified or modified data or results at least once –a serious form of misconduct by any standard– and up to
33.7% admitted other questionable research practices.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0005738

 

[joshua 1 9]

you'll have to tell

Everyone always wants me to tell them. Can anyone here demonstrate that they know the difference between truth and fiction? W have the Bible so we know the truth. If you reject the Bible then you reject the truth and everything becomes fiction.

 

[Jimmy D]

What has this got to do with evolution or creation?

 

[joshua 1 9]

What has this got to do with evolution or creation?

I often start a thread when many people bring up the same point. In this case the claim is that the Bible and Creationism is not true. So I am going to give the infidels a chance to make their case and prove that Creationism and the Bible are fiction and not fact. So far this has been a no show and the reprobates have not been able to produce anything in the way of evidence. I present huge amounts of evidence to substantiate what I say. The skeptics, scoffers, mockers and infidels present nothing. This shows that they can not fact up to the fact that they have no evidence to back up what they claim to believe. As a general rule people attack others for that they are guilty of and what they can not deal with in themselves. The infidels need to get the job done and show that the Bible is not true. It is time to put up or shut up. We are told "Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.…" (Romans1:22,23) This was true 2,000 years ago and all the more true today now that we are in the apostasy. A time that people are falling away from the truth. We know to expect skeptics, scoffers and mockers. This is a sign of the time and we know that we are now in the end of days. "2Pet 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts," People have trouble understanding Paul but Peter speaks plain and clear so that people know what he is saying to us even today for the times that we live in.

 

[JackRT]

Everyone always wants me to tell them. Can anyone here demonstrate that they know the difference between truth and fiction? W have the Bible so we know the truth. If you reject the Bible then you reject the truth and everything becomes fiction.

Do you forget that some if the bible itself is fiction?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Wrong forum? This has nothing to do with creation and evolution.

Of course it does. It has everything to do with creation and evolution because we are trying to establish what is true and what is fiction. Creationists says that Evolution is fiction. So the evolutionists claim that creationism is fiction. The problem is what evidence do people have and what standard do we use to establish what is truth and what is fiction. So far the infidels and reprobates not only can not back up their claims, they can not even show us they know the difference between truth and fiction. Because they have so much error and fiction mixed in with evolutionary theory.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Do you forget that some if the bible itself is fiction?

First of all the purpose of this thread is to define just what we mean when we say fiction. This is a claim that people are making and they have not substantiated what they mean by their claims. Parts of the Bible that are allegory, but the people in these stories are still real people. David and Goliath are real people. Yet the story is still an allegory. Adam and Eve and Eden is clearly an allegory and yet they were all real people and Eden was a real place. Even Science shows us that in our High School science book so that any High School graduate is without excuse.

I have a High School Biology book right here. Section 2 talks about Ecology: The Biosphere, Ecosystems & Communities, Populations, Humans in the Biosphere. Every word of that establishes and proves that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. I understand it is difficult to understand the Bible but even a 1 year old can understand. We start our one year olds with marching and singing the song about how: "Joshua fought the battle of Jericho" So a one year old child can understand and seems to know more then college graduates in Biology. How can this be? As adults we can study the actual wall of Jericho so we can see that the song we sing as child in indeed true and accurate.

We all come up against walls in our life. Perhaps the skeptics and scoffers are up against a wall when it comes to knowing the truth. But those walls that are holding them in bondage can come tumbling down and they can know the truth, liberty and freedom we have as Christians. Yes Jericho is a real city and the walls were real walls. Still the story is an allegory that shows the walls in our life can come tumbling down and we do not have to allow them to restrict and hinder us in our pursuits. WE can have victory and we can be more then conquerors when we are in Christ. As Christians we are more then overcomers in whatever comes our way in life. We can not be defeated because God is with us and we are on His side. We fight for God not against God. I have no idea why people would want to fight against God. Even our one year old students knows that is not good to do. Of course we actually teach them truth from the Bible. We do more then give them a color book and crayons. We teach them and they sing and they dance and they learn the truth. If people spend 22 years in a church and do not lean anything. Then maybe the blind are leading the blind. And sooner or later everyone will fall into a ditch.

 

[Larniavc]

make their case and prove that Creationism and the Bible are fiction and not fact.

They are unfalsifiable so that would be pointless.

Misinterpretation of unfalsifiable in 3..2..1...

 

[Jimmy D]

Of course it does. It has everything to do with creation and evolution because we are trying to establish what is true and what is fiction. Creationists says that Evolution is fiction. So the evolutionists claim that creationism is fiction. The problem is what evidence do people have and what standard do we use to establish what is truth and what is fiction. So far the infidels and reprobates not only can not back up their claims, they can not even show us they know the difference between truth and fiction. Because they have so much error and fiction mixed in with evolutionary theory.

In that case please present your evidence for Creationism. I mean evidence, not the claim.

For evidence in favour of Evolution please see Loudmouth's ERV or nested hierarchies threads.

Also, please specifically show us these errors and fiction that you mention.

 

[AirPo]

Everyone always wants me to tell them. Can anyone here demonstrate that they know the difference between truth and fiction? W have the Bible so we know the truth. If you reject the Bible then you reject the truth and everything becomes fiction.

Put your money where your mouth is. Demonstrate the difference between truth and fiction in the Bible.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Demonstrate the difference between truth and fiction in the Bible.

I guess you do not understand, first we have to establish what the rules are. You have to show me you know the difference between truth and fiction. So far you have failed to do that.

 

[joshua 1 9]

In that case please present your evidence for Creationism.

First you have to show me you know what the truth is. You have failed to do that.

 

[AirPo]

I guess you do not understand, first we have to establish what the rules are. You have to show me you know the difference between truth and fiction. So far you have failed to do that.

So have you. Seems like "failing" is the ground rule.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So have you. Seems like "failing" is the ground rule.

I can not establish what YOU consider to be the truth, you have to tell me. You have failed to communicate that to me.

 

[AirPo]

I can not establish what YOU consider to be the truth, you have to tell me. You have failed to communicate that to me.

I like this one

in accordance with fact or reality

 

[Ophiolite]

First you have to show me you know what the truth is. You have failed to do that.

I must seriously question if you are competent in recognising the truth. Here are two specific examples:

1. Earlier you state in this thread that "I present huge amounts of evidence to substantiate what I say. The skeptics, scoffers, mockers and infidels present nothing. This shows that they can not fact up to the fact that they have no evidence to back up what they claim to believe."
It is demonstrably true that the "skeptics, scoffers, mockers and infidels" have presented substantial amounts of material to justify their position. Your inability to recognise this establishes that you are unable to recognise the truth.

2. Earlier in this thread you state that "We start our one year olds with marching and singing the song about how: "Joshua fought the battle of Jericho".
While most one year olds can walk, few can march and coherent and complex speech necessary to sing the verses about Joshua would be beyond all but a few exceptional children. They would certainly not "understand and seems to know more then college graduates in Biology".
Again, your grasp of the truth is shown to be flawed.

 

[joshua 1 9]

They would certainly not "understand and seems to know more then college graduates in Biology".

This is well establish that college can convert people into scoffers and skeptics. You do not learn common sense in College. They can tend to develop an anti God anti religion attitude. So that they seem to lose the ability to even be able to function at the level of a one year old when it comes to learning the Bible.