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That's why the road that leads to destruction is so wide. It's an easy road to travel until you reach the destination.-_- if that sincerely is the greatest evidence against evolution, then there really isn't any, because of the lack of evidence that the bible is an accurate source of information.
Recording your growth involves measuring the same subject at different intervals. That's why the analogy fails. The other requires finding fossils of animals that lived and died and physically arranging them to show transition. it is impossible to remove human bias from this process. [/quote]Apples to oranges. A human's growth shows a clear line. Fossils within a genus over time do as well.
Not so clear since I've seen those so-called pre-historic humanoid skulls matched up with known people and they fit pretty well. The range of human skulls currently in use could be arranged to show growth and transition if anyone so desired, even though they are contemporaneous.The fact is that we have a clear evolutionary timespan, showing a clear path from ape-like ancestors to modern humans with many transitional forms.
You asked for the BEST evidence. The word of God renders evolution invalid. As books go it's a pretty good book, but it's nothing without knowing the author. Once you discover that God is real it all begins to make sense. Until then, it's not supposed to make sense. All the money in the world can't get you to Heaven. What is required is faith. Much is hidden from the unbelievers. If it were clearly provable there would be no need for faith.When you pit the bible against evolution like this, what you are essentially saying is that you have to trust the Bible, a book, over what you can observe in the world around you.
Recording your growth involves measuring the same subject at different intervals.
[quote[ The fact is that we have a clear evolutionary timespan, showing a clear path from ape-like ancestors to modern humans with many transitional forms. [/quote]Recording your growth involves measuring the same subject at different intervals. That's why the analogy fails. The other requires finding fossils of animals that lived and died and physically arranging them to show transition. it is impossible to remove human bias from this process.
Then provide actual objective evidence for it. And no, the bible does not count.
Why does this matter? It's completely irrelevant if we're the only species to develop advanced intelligence, this doesn't mean that the evolution of intelligence is impossible and has nothing to do with your argument.
Oh, we're certainly pretty darn "fit", no argument there. Then again, it's kind of hard to argue that we "govern" the world when we're a few good pandemics away from the stone age, and when as recently as a hundred years ago, a single germ killed between 5 and 10% of the population, and when bacteria and microbes make up some 30% of the earth's biomass.
What is required is faith. Much is hidden from the unbelievers. If it were clearly provable there would be no need for faith.
I have yet to see anyone offer another intelligently thought out "interpretation."That assumes, KW, that your interpretation of the Bible is correct and the only possible one.
Let's take this one, for example, carved by the finger of God onto a stone tablet: so important it's one of God's ten great Commandments. "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
The text clearly states what was created in six days. It explains why the Sabbath was created, and why man must keep it holy. I will state for the record that it is not possible for evolution to have happened when God Himself stated otherwise. The only way you can "reinterpret" this is to reject it completely. So by saying that man evolved, you have to reject the words of God or pretend that God did not speak them. However, since the Ten Commandments are so crucial in theology, you have to reject most of Christianity to reject this.
So what is a day? A day can have many definitions, but when it is numbered such as the third day or the forth day; or when it is used with a word such as evening as int "The evening and the morning were the third day"; it is always a singular solar day as determined by one revolution of the earth; or if you prefer; sunrise to sunrise.
Christians have the same right as anyone; the right to be wrong. That's why I ask them to show me passages in the Bible to validate what they believe. Strangely, they can't. Such verses do not exist. This is why people like you refuse to demonstrate your vast knowledge of the Scriptures by showing how evolution is compatible with a careful reading of the Bible. It can't be done because the Bible absolutely refutes evolution and you know it. Claiming otherwise is false teaching. While you do have the right to be wrong, you do NOT have the right to attack the faith of others by pretending to be a learned expert and telling them that their interpretation of the Bible is wrong; that man actually did evolve. We both know that such false teaching as called heresy, and we both know that it can seriously undermine a person's faith if someone they trust speaks in opposition to what their Bible teaches.
So everyone who doesn't share your beliefs is going to go to Hell?That's why the road that leads to destruction is so wide. It's an easy road to travel until you reach the destination.
No sequitur. It does not follow of a necessity at all.We are much much smarter than any other animals. So we are not evolved.
We are much much smarter than any other animals. So we are not evolved.
This kind of intelligent rise is absolutely not evolutional.
A range of species could argue that their "special skill" proved that they had not evolved.
Exactly. I don't have to get to those yet (many many such examples). Only the intelligence different would be a powerful evidence already.
I have trouble with this kind of posting. I don't feel it is at all appropriate here. What it does is unduly denounce and ridicule all those fellow Christians who do not share your interpretation of teh Bible. Yes, I believe in evolution and I also believe in God. In fact, I think evolution would be impossible without God. It seems to be SOP that any Christian scholar who disagrees with the Bible Belt or fundamentalist version of Scripture is automatically written off as possessed by the Devil, insane, you name it. I think that kind of attitude is totally out of place here.1 Corinthians 1:18-31
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many
mighty, not many noble; but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, so that no man may boast before God. But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
If you believed in God our creator and the scriptures, then you would not believe in soup to man evolution. But, since you do not believe in God our creator and the scriptures, but rather secular men, then you believe man evolved from soup.
These debates are foolish, because without the Spirit of God no man will believe the truth. A man without the Spirit of God will not believe the truth.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but truth is truth, and only those with God's Spirit can believe it. It boggles my mind that people can claim to love God yet reject the very first chapter of His Word. Maybe God has just blessed me with a strong faith, I don't know, but I know for a fact that no one can believe in soup to man evolution without twisting or completely rejecting the scriptures in some way. The issue is really about who your authority is: Do you believe God's account of creation or secular man's?I have trouble with this kind of posting. I don't feel it is at all appropriate here. What it does is unduly denounce and ridicule all those fellow Christians who do not share your interpretation of teh Bible. Yes, I believe in evolution and I also believe in God. In fact, I think evolution would be impossible without God. It seems to be SOP that any Christian scholar who disagrees with the Bible Belt or fundamentalist version of Scripture is automatically written off as possessed by the Devil, insane, you name it. I think that kind of attitude is totally out of place here.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but truth is truth, and only those with God's Spirit can believe it. It boggles my mind that people can claim to love God yet reject the very first chapter of His Word. Maybe God has just blessed me with a strong faith, I don't know, but I know for a fact that no one can believe in soup to man evolution without twisting or completely rejecting the scriptures in some way. The issue is really about who your authority is: Do you believe God's account of creation or secular man's?
You don't even believe in God, yet you claim some authority in this matter?What do you mean by "God's account of creation"? If you mean the Bible there is no real reason to believe the account in Genesis is "God's account". In fact if you believe that is the correct account then you have to believe in a lying God. The problem that literalists face is that God would have had to have created the evidence that we observe too and all of the evidence clearly says that life is the product of evolution. The Earth should be just as much "God's account" or even more so than a mere book that was written by human beings.
That is why worldwide most Christians accept the theory of evolution.
Based on your interpretation of Scripture, yes, there is a problem here. But who says Scripture was intended by God to be an inerrant geophysical witness or inerrant in every respect? Moderns science challenges the biblical cosmology and the Genesis account of creation. There are about 100 major errors in Scripture. The accounts were written long after then events took place. Scripture is not an objective history. The logical conclusion is that Scripture is not inerrant in all respects, period, end of it, nothing more. It definitely does not mean God is a liar. That assumes God dictated Scripture word for word. But that is just one theory about how God operated with Scripture. There are other ones. I believe God works with the grain, not against it. God works like a careful carpenter. God can only move forward as fast as we are ready. Since the biblical writers were the products of a prescientific culture, it would be ridiculous to assume God would impart to them advanced scientific knowledge. They weren't ready yet. Divinely inspired as it may be, the Bible is still the product of a prescientific culture. It was written by fallible, limited human beings. Now, unless you are naïve enough to believe that humans are always infallible in what they say, all human witnesses are fallible to a greater or lesser degree. This does not men Scripture is of no use. Either-or thinking is basically neurotic thinking. Either the Bible is inerrant or it is all errant and worthless. That kind of thinking is unrealistic. Reality is always a shade of grey.I'm sorry you feel that way, but truth is truth, and only those with God's Spirit can believe it. It boggles my mind that people can claim to love God yet reject the very first chapter of His Word. Maybe God has just blessed me with a strong faith, I don't know, but I know for a fact that no one can believe in soup to man evolution without twisting or completely rejecting the scriptures in some way. The issue is really about who your authority is: Do you believe God's account of creation or secular man's?
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