ViaCrucis said in post #21:
In a nutshell the Gospel is Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again. More comprehensively it is everything Jesus came to say and do.
When you say, "Gospelese" you are assuming the Gospel is what is called the Gospel of Salvation.
But just a question, what did Jesus say the Gospel was?
Mat. 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?" We believe with out heart and not merely with our head.The gospel euaggelion the good news, the good news of Christ's death, burial and resurrection. It is not news to simply be mentally acknowledge but obeyed 2 Thessalonians 1:8.
So how do we speak "gospelese" to a lost person?
Paul says in Romans that he is not ashamed of the GOSPEL which is the power of God for salvation, but what is "the gospel"?
I have an idea but I want to hear some other responses first.
Apex Mind Reformer said in post #29:
. . . Jesus' death would be the ransom from God's wrath we all deserve as guilty sinners.
That's good news to sinners!
Wordkeeper said in post #30:
Acts 8:30-39
The one and only God who is holy and perfect, the creator of the universe, made us in His image to love, know and obey Him. We sin by disobeying and turning away from God. This condemns us to death and to eternal punishment.
In love, Jesus Christ, who is God, came to us as a human, died on the cross for us, and took the punishment of all who will turn to and trust in Him. He rose from death on the third day defeating death itself.
All people are to repent of their rebellion against God, turn away from sin, and turn to Jesus Christ.
To live with God forever in Heaven, we must develop and maintain an active relationship with Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord.
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Believing is a form obedience therefore believing would be obeying the gospel yet "belief only" is not obeying the gospel for a NT belief requires baptism.We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?" We believe with out heart and not merely with our head.
The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. The gospel simply sets forth Christ crucified, buried and risen as the Savior of all who believe/trust/rely in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation.
The Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation also shows, that not only did He become dead, but that He lives to the ages of ages. [Unfortunately, the Jews don't read Revelation]*snip*
Paul said "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
As I have explained in other threads, the gospel, the good news, is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ......... .
Choosing to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation is obeying the gospel (Romans 1:16; 10:16). Water baptism is not a part of the gospel (1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:1-4) and it also "follows" believing the gospel and receiving salvation (Acts 10:43-47).Believing is a form obedience therefore believing would be obeying the gospel yet "belief only" is not obeying the gospel for a NT belief requires baptism.
Amen! That is the gospel and we believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. Trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ + "something else" (works) as the means of our salvation is not believing the gospel.Paul said "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
Amen! But the problem is you "add works" to the gospel.As I have explained in other threads, the gospel, the good news, is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
Water baptism is the picture, but not the reality. The gospel is not salvation by water baptism. That is a "different" gospel.Paul explains in Romans 6 how one can obey the historical events of Christ's death, burial and resurrection. (Romans 6:3-7) Paul shows that water baptism is a form of the death burial and resurrection of Christ where the old man of sin dies, is buried in a watery grave and raised up (resurrected) from that water grave to walk in newness of life.
You seem to be obsessed with water baptism. It sounds like church of Christ indoctrination. There is a contrast here in Romans 6 between servants. There are only two kinds of servants in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants of sin unto death, or servants of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."This is what happened to those in Rome who obeyed the gospel becoming Christians. Paul says of them "But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine (gospel) which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." (Romans 6:17-18). The word "form" meaning a type, example, pattern, mold. Therefore the death burial and resurrection that takes place in water baptism is a form of the gospel's death burial and resurrection of Christ.
Choosing to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation is obeying the gospel (Romans 1:16; 10:16). Water baptism is not a part of the gospel (1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:1-4) and it also "follows" believing the gospel and receiving salvation (Acts 10:43-47).
Amen! That is the gospel and we believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. Trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ + "something else" (works) as the means of our salvation is not believing the gospel.
Danthemailman said:Amen! But the problem is you "add works" to the gospel.
danthemailman said:Water baptism is the picture, but not the reality. The gospel is not salvation by water baptism. That is a "different" gospel.
danthemailman said:You seem to be obsessed with water baptism. It sounds like church of Christ indoctrination. There is a contrast here in Romans 6 between servants. There are only two kinds of servants in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants of sin unto death, or servants of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."
danthemailman said:Before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"1 Peter 1:22 notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by FAITH." "Obeying the gospel" and "obeying that form of doctrine" in these passages is really a synonym for BELIEVING the gospel. God pours his new children into the mold of divine truth. Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."
danthemailman said:Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
danthemailman said:Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not water baptism or other works) is accounted for righteousness.
Danthemailman said in post #37:
Water baptism is not a part of the gospel (1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:1-4) and it also "follows" believing the gospel and receiving salvation (Acts 10:43-47).
Danthemailman said in post #37:
Water baptism is not a part of the gospel (1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:1-4) and it also "follows" believing the gospel and receiving salvation (Acts 10:43-47).
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