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Featured What is the gospel message?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by ByTheSpirit, Aug 13, 2017.

  1. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    In a nutshell the Gospel is Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again. More comprehensively it is everything Jesus came to say and do. It's that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, it's the kind of kingdom He preached, it's that we are forgiven of all our sins, that God loves us, that there is resurrection of the dead and eternal life in the world to come, that death is defeated, Jesus is alive, God has won, and because God has won that means we win.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  2. Danthemailman

    Danthemailman Well-Known Member

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    The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes.. (Romans 1:16).

    To believe the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
     
  3. Wordkeeper

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    Genesis 3:15
    And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."
     
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    Amen.

    And that's why the first four books of the New Testament are called "the Gospels", and why the Gospel of Mark can say the Gospel begins with Mark 1:1. And so the Gospel can include everything in the Gospels, even including their eschatological teachings (e.g. Mark 13). And if the Gospel can include New Testament eschatological teachings, it can include the eschatological book of Revelation, and all the apostle Paul's eschatological teachings, as well as his soteriological teachings, which he rightly claims are based on Old Testament prophecies (Acts 26:22-23). This is why Christians hold to the entire Bible as being vital to Christian faith (2 Timothy 3:15 to 4:4, John 8:31b, Matthew 4:4).
     
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    Isaiah 53:5
    But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.
     
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    I understand it is the ” the acceptable year of the Lord.", sins are forgiven, repent and don’t sin anymore.
     
  7. TheSeabass

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    The gospel euaggelion the good news, the good news of Christ's death, burial and resurrection. It is not news to simply be mentally acknowledge but obeyed 2 Thessalonians 1:8.
     
  8. Danthemailman

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    We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?" We believe with out heart and not merely with our head.

    The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. The gospel simply sets forth Christ crucified, buried and risen as the Savior of all who believe/trust/rely in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation.

     
  9. Apex

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    I like to study the 3 passion predictions in Mark.

    Mark 8:31
    And he began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and after three days rise again.

    Mark 9:31b
    The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill him. And when he is killed, after three days he will rise.

    Mark 10:33-34, 45
    See, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the scribes, and they will condemn him to death and deliver him over to the Gentiles. And they will mock him and spit on him, and flog him and kill him. And after three days he will rise.

    Four elements occur in each passion prediction: (1) the Son of Man (2) will be killed and (3) after three days (4) he will rise.

    Mark 10:45 explains why this must happen: ...to give his life as a ransom for many.

    The Greek word for ransom is used 19 times in the Septuagint, it is used in the context of the redemption of the firstborn (Numbers 3:12; 18:15-16) and of a forfeit life (Exodus 21:30; 30:12). This latter instance is related to the notion of giving as recompense 'life for life' (Leviticus 24:18 and Deuteronomy 19:21). We should note especially that it is used in connection with freeing slaves (Leviticus 19:20; 25:51-52) and redeeming land (Leviticus 25:26).

    Ransom from what? I believe Mark concludes that Jesus' death would be the ransom from God's wrath we all deserve as guilty sinners.

    That's good news to sinners!
     
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  10. Wordkeeper

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    Acts 8:30-39
    30Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked.

    31“How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

    32This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading:

    “He was led like a sheep to the slaughter,

    and as a lamb before its shearer is silent,

    so he did not open his mouth.

    33In his humiliation he was deprived of justice.

    Who can speak of his descendants?

    For his life was taken from the earth.”b

    34The eunuch asked Philip, “Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?” 35Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.

    36As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” [37]c 38And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.
     
  11. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    Paul' even proclaims the his Epistles are the "Gospel"

    Rom 2:1
    in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men, according to my good-news, through Jesus Christ.

    This is interesting. Notice the similarity between Paul and the messenger in Rev 14.......

    Coloss 1:
    23 if also ye remain in the faith, being founded and settled, and not moved away from the hope of the good news, which ye heard, which was preached in all the creation that is under the heaven, of which I became -- I Paul -- a ministrant.

    I can actually picture Paul being symbolized here:

    Rev 14:6
    And I saw another messenger flying in mid-heaven, having good-message age-during to proclaim to those dwelling upon the earth, and to every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people,

    Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

    A gospel (meaning "good news", comparable to the Greek εὐαγγέλιον, eu-angelion) is a written account of the career and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.

    2098. euaggelion yoo-ang-ghel'-ee-on from the same as 2097; a good message, i.e. the gospel:--gospel.
    2097. euaggelizo yoo-ang-ghel-id'-zo from 2095 and 32; to announce good news ("evangelize") especially the gospel:--declare, bring (declare, show) glad (good) tidings, preach (the gospel).
    2095. eu yoo neuter of a primary eus (good); (adverbially) well:--good, well (done).
    32. aggelos ang'-el-os from aggello (probably derived from 71; compare 34) (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel";

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    Amen.

    Also, Jesus Christ's suffering during His Passion was sufficient to forgive the sins of everyone (1 John 2:2), because Jesus isn't just a human, but also God (John 1:1,14, John 10:30, John 20:28). His soul is infinite, and so the suffering of His soul (Isaiah 53:11, KJV) was infinite in amount, even though it wasn't infinite in duration. And so His suffering could satisfy God the Father's justice (Isaiah 53:11, KJV; 1 Peter 3:18), which requires an infinite amount of human suffering for sin (Matthew 25:46). Because humans who aren't God have finite souls, for them to suffer an infinite amount for their sins, they must suffer over an infinite duration of time (Matthew 25:46, Revelation 14:10-11, Mark 9:46).

    Every human has sinned (Romans 3:23), except Jesus (Hebrews 4:15b; 2 Corinthians 5:21). But because Jesus suffered for sins (1 Peter 3:18, Isaiah 53:11, KJV) an infinite amount, when elect people repent from their sins and believe in Jesus' human/divine sacrifice, they can have their past sins forgiven (Romans 3:25-26, Matthew 26:28), while God the Father's justice remains fully satisfied by Jesus' suffering for their sins (Isaiah 53:11, KJV; 1 Peter 3:18).
     
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    That's a great passage, showing how important baptism should be for a new Christian.

    Indeed, in order to be saved ultimately, all Christians, whether new or old, must get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus Christ's death for our sins (Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:21, Romans 6:3-11, Colossians 2:12, Galatians 3:27, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16). If people believe with all their heart Jesus Christ is the human/divine Son of God (Acts 8:37), they can get baptized anywhere there's water (Acts 8:36) into which they can be fully-immersed (buried) (Romans 6:3-11, Colossians 2:12). They need to make sure to be baptized in the name of God the Father; and of the Son, Jesus Christ; and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19, Acts 2:38). Christians can get water-immersion baptized at, for example, a Baptist-type congregation.

    Besides getting water baptized, Christians can get Holy Spirit baptized (Acts 11:15-16, Acts 10:44-46). They usually have to ask to receive the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13b) baptism, for it's usually not given to them automatically at the moment they become Christians. That's why the apostle Paul asked some Christians: "Have ye received the Holy Spirit since ye believed?" (Acts 19:2).

    Christians usually receive Holy Spirit baptism through prayer accompanied by the laying on of hands, subsequent to water baptism (Acts 8:15-17, Acts 19:5-6). Holy Spirit baptism won't result in speaking in tongues for everyone (1 Corinthians 12:30), but for almost everyone, as tongues are one of the Spirit's lesser gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8-11,28; 1 Corinthians 14:5). Many Christians haven't yet experienced Holy Spirit baptism simply because they haven't yet asked for it, under the principle: "ye have not, because ye ask not" (James 4:2b). Many Christians haven't yet asked for it because they've come under the influence of mistaken teachings which say it's no longer in effect. Christians can get hands laid on them to receive Holy Spirit baptism at any Pentecostal-type congregation, or at any charismatic-type congregation, which can be of almost any denomination.
     
  14. ladodgers6

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    Where is the Gospel Preached here. Sorry where is the announcement of the good news of the Gospel? Christ has accomplished everything for the ungodly. Christ came and saved the ungodly from their sins, condemnation & death. Christ took our place on the Cross, and received the full wrath of God upon his head for us. Christ fulfilled the Law with Perfect Obedience for us! And this Perfect Righteousness & Holiness is imputed, credited, transferred to the ungodly who believe this and trust in God who justifies the ungodly in His Son, and His Son works for us!
     
  15. TheSeabass

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    Believing is a form obedience therefore believing would be obeying the gospel yet "belief only" is not obeying the gospel for a NT belief requires baptism.

    Paul said "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

    As I have explained in other threads, the gospel, the good news, is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Paul explains in Romans 6 how one can obey the historical events of Christ's death, burial and resurrection. (Romans 6:3-7) Paul shows that water baptism is a form of the death burial and resurrection of Christ where the old man of sin dies, is buried in a watery grave and raised up (resurrected) from that water grave to walk in newness of life. This is what happened to those in Rome who obeyed the gospel becoming Christians. Paul says of them "But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine (gospel) which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." (Romans 6:17-18). The word "form" meaning a type, example, pattern, mold. Therefore the death burial and resurrection that takes place in water baptism is a form of the gospel's death burial and resurrection of Christ.
     
  16. LittleLambofJesus

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    The Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation also shows, that not only did He become dead, but that He lives to the ages of ages. [Unfortunately, the Jews don't read Revelation]

    John 19:30 When then Jesus had received/got the vinegar, He said "it hath been finished!
    And reclining the head, He gives-up the spirit.


    Reve 1:18 and the living One! And I became dead and behold! I am living into the Ages of the Ages. And I am having the keys of the Hades and of the Death
     
  17. Danthemailman

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    Choosing to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation is obeying the gospel (Romans 1:16; 10:16). Water baptism is not a part of the gospel (1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:1-4) and it also "follows" believing the gospel and receiving salvation (Acts 10:43-47).

    Amen! That is the gospel and we believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. Trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ + "something else" (works) as the means of our salvation is not believing the gospel.

    Amen! But the problem is you "add works" to the gospel.

    Water baptism is the picture, but not the reality. The gospel is not salvation by water baptism. That is a "different" gospel.

    You seem to be obsessed with water baptism. It sounds like church of Christ indoctrination. There is a contrast here in Romans 6 between servants. There are only two kinds of servants in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants of sin unto death, or servants of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."

    Before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"1 Peter 1:22 notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by FAITH." "Obeying the gospel" and "obeying that form of doctrine" in these passages is really a synonym for BELIEVING the gospel. God pours his new children into the mold of divine truth. Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

    Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..

    Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not water baptism or other works) is accounted for righteousness.
     
  18. TheSeabass

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    I know of no verse that says obedience to the gospel consists of a mental acknowledge of certain historical facts and nothing more. Luke 6:46 and Christ said one is to believe, repent confess and be baptized.

    1 Cor 1:17 Paul does not say baptism is not part of the gospel. In the context Paul uses the necessity of water baptism to get rid of the division where all will be "of Christ" and not "of Paul" of "of Apollos" or of any other man than Christ.

    1 Cor 15:1-4 is the gospel and one obeys the gospel in water baptism. Belief only is not how one dies, is buried and resurrected as Christ was.

    Acts 15:11 Jews and Gentiles are saved in a like manner way and that was by being commanded to be water baptized in the name of the Lord for remission of sins.

    The gospel requires obedience to the will of God in order to be saved. As we've seen, one cannot obey the gospel by doing nothing.

    From Romans 6, water baptism is a form of Christ's death burial and resurrection. Not only is water baptism the form of the gospel's death burial and resurrection of Christ, it is the point God has chosen to save man in removing the body of sin.

    I am no more "obessed" with water bpatism than others are with faith only, eternal security, original sin, etc. Water baptism is HOW one obeys the gospel and therefore one cannot be saved without it but it is of equal importance to believing, repenting of sins and making the great confession.

    The order of events for the Romans in being justified, Rom 6:17-18
    1) servants of sin
    2) obeyed form the heart that form of doctrine (obeyed the gospel)

    By being water baptized they did purify their souls in obeying the gospel/truth. It all fits together so perfectly.
    3) then freed from sin/justified.

    One believes NOT "believes only". Paul in that context made confession of equal importance in being saved. In other contexts, Paul made repentance and baptism essential to salvation.

    In the context Paul is showing the Jewish converts in Rome that the OT law cannot justify. The OT law required the work of flawless law keeping to be justified and Paul is eliminating that work. Abraham was NOT justified by the work of flawless law keeping but by obedient works in doing what God told him to do in moving and offering Issac Hebrews 11:8,17. Therefore Rom 4:5 cannot eliminate all works for Abraham DID DO WORKS and was justified by those works.
     
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    Regarding 1 Corinthians 1:17, note that there the apostle Paul wasn't contradicting his own teaching of the necessity of baptism for ultimate salvation (Romans 6:3-11, Colossians 2:12, Galatians 3:27). He simply meant God didn't want him to spend his apostolic time personally baptizing everyone who became a Christian through his preaching, when any other people in the Church could do that for him. For any Christian can baptize new Christians. Also, Paul didn't want to personally baptize a lot of people, in order to avoid as much as possible any false charge he baptized in his own name (1 Corinthians 1:14-15). The Bible doesn't say how many people Paul baptized, but it does show he made sure people got baptized, whether by himself or someone else, right away after their coming into faith in Jesus Christ due to his preaching (Acts 16:15,33, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:5; 1 Corinthians 1:14-16).

    Some people feel baptism can't be required for salvation, because baptism is a work, and salvation isn't based on works, but on faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9). But baptism is a kind of circumcision (Colossians 2:11-13, Philippians 3:3, Romans 2:29). Just as Abraham, who is a model for Christians, was initially saved by faith alone, prior to his circumcision (Romans 4), so Christians are initially saved by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Romans 4:2-5), prior to their baptism (Acts 8:36-38, John 20:31). But just as Abraham was ultimately saved by his works (James 2:21-24), so Christians will be ultimately saved by their works (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 25:26,30, Philippians 2:12b, Philippians 3:11-14; 2 Corinthians 5:9, Hebrews 5:9, Hebrews 6:10-12; 2 Peter 1:10-11, John 15:2a; 1 John 2:17b), which must include getting water-immersion (burial) baptized (Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:21, Romans 6:3-11, Colossians 2:12, Galatians 3:27, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16).
     
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