What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

[Frank Robert]

Because they make up pictures of animals that, in reality, they only have the teeth and a couple leg bones of. That's a lot of supposing.

You are just full of creationist vacuous claims. Sounds like you spend too much time at DI and AIG.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are just full of creationist vacuous claims. Sounds like you spend too much time at DI and AIG.

Your post reminds me of this thread:

Guess where I drove by last night.

 

[Astrid]

You are just full of creationist vacuous claims. Sounds like you spend too much time at DI and AIG.

If creationists did not have misrepresentation, what is left to them?

There is an element of truth in what he says. Any good con
requires some truth. Of course artists representation of an extinct
creature needs some imagination. See depiction of T rex
or of any extinct creature. So, bite someone if it's so
bad to do that. Call Fraud!, and let slip the dogs
of war!

I wonder if our hero has the understanding
or honesty to see and admit to the misrepresentation
he is guilty of.

I doubt his underdtanding of science,
or that of any of the countless creos
who trot the tired trope time after time
is adequate to figure it out.

 

[AV1611VET]

If creationists did not have misrepresentation, what is left to them?

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

 

[Frank Robert]

If creationists did not have misrepresentation, what is left to them?
There is an element of truth in what he says. Any good con
requires some truth. Of course artists representation of an extinct
creature needs some imagination. See depiction of T rex
or of any extinct creature. So, bite someone if it's so
bad to do that. Call Fraud!, and let slip the dogs
of war!

I agree there is some truth. I even would agree that creationists are entitled to their misrepresentations as long as they keep them to themselves, i.e. not push them into public education.

I wonder if our hero has the understanding
or honesty to see and admit to the misrepresentation
he is guilty of.

I think he is honestly perplexed and is unable to separate his religious beliefs and science.

I doubt his underdtanding of science,
or that of any of the countless creos
who trot the tired trope time after time
is adequate to figure it out.

It is obvious that he misunderstands basic principles of science.

 

[Astrid]

I agree there is some truth. I even would agree that creationists are entitled to their misrepresentations as long as they keep them to themselves, i.e. not push them into public education.
I think he is honestly perplexed and is unable to separate his religious beliefs and science.
It is obvious that he misunderstands basic principles of science.

As obvious as it would be if I tried to fly an
airplane.
Sincere ignorance ? Honest confusion?
I guess.
But do you think it is even possible to be a
well informed AND intellectually honest yec?

 

[AV1611VET]

But do you think it is even possible to be a
well informed AND intellectually honest yec?

I take it you've never been a YEC?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I take it you've never been a YEC?

Tell us when you can find a well informed and honest YEC.

 

[AV1611VET]

Tell us when you can find a well informed and honest YEC.

Guess I'd better find one before the next issue of Scientific American or Popular Science comes out, hadn't I?

In the meantime, I'll look for a well-informed YEC; and you look for an honest scientist.

How's that?

 

[Mr Laurier]

Tell us when you can find a well informed and honest YEC.

Aron Ra famously stated, that a YEC can be as honest as the day is long, as long as he is sheltered from facts and evidence.
But once he is confronted by facts and evidence, he must choose.
To remain honest. Or to remain a YEC.

 

[Bradskii]

Because they make up pictures of animals that, in reality, they only have the teeth and a couple leg bones of. That's a lot of supposing.

Can you give me an example?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Guess I'd better find one before the next issue of Scientific American or Popular Science comes out, hadn't I?

In the meantime, I'll look for a well-informed YEC; and you look for an honest scientist.

How's that?

Though no one is perfect, honesty is rewarded in the sciences and dishonesty is punished. The opposite is true for creationist organizations.

 

[Frank Robert]

and you look for an honest scientist.

That is easy.
Kenneth Raymond Miller an American cell biologist and molecular biologist, currently Professor of Biology and Royce Family Professor for Teaching Excellence at Brown University. He is a co-author of a major introductory college and high school biology textbook published by Prentice Hall. He is Roman Catholic. He has received the Laetare Medal at the University of Notre Dame. In 2017, he received the inaugural St. Albert Award from the Society of Catholic Scientists.

 

[Tinker Grey]

That is easy.
Kenneth Raymond Miller an American cell biologist and molecular biologist, currently Professor of Biology and Royce Family Professor for Teaching Excellence at Brown University. He is a co-author of a major introductory college and high school biology textbook published by Prentice Hall. He is Roman Catholic. He has received the Laetare Medal at the University of Notre Dame. In 2017, he received the inaugural St. Albert Award from the Society of Catholic Scientists.

Also, Francis Collins.

 

[Astrid]

Also, Francis Collins.

What, is it a search for intellectually honest / religious
researchers? Easy as can be.
An honest fundy researcher is another matter.
Probably impossible, but hey, give them a chance.

 

[Tinker Grey]

What, is it a search for intellectually honest / religious
researchers? Easy as can be.
An honest fundy researcher is another matter.
Probably impossible, but hey, give them a chance.

Francis Collins does identify as evangelical.

 

[Astrid]

Francis Collins does identify as evangelical.

I should specify that fundys can do fine until a conflict with
faith comes up.

Dr. K Wise is a good example of how that goes wrongL

 

[Subduction Zone]

Francis Collins does identify as evangelical.

Evangelical is not the same as fundamentalist. Fundamentalists tend to interpret the Bible literally. Evangelicals are interested in spreading the word and converting others. One can be both or only one or the other. They are not mutually exclusive groups. Collins does appear to be an evangelical. He is definitely not a fundamentalist.

 

[Tanj]

Guess I'd better find one before the next issue of Scientific American or Popular Science comes out, hadn't I?

In the meantime, I'll look for a well-informed YEC; and you look for an honest scientist.

How's that?

I'm an honest scientist. How's the well informed YEC search going?

 

[Astrid]

I'm an honest scientist. How's the well informed YEC search going?

The only one I am aware of is a.Dr. K Wise.