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What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

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Prease exprain how theory can be fact
Sorry for not being clear in my previous comment where I conflated facts with theory. The word 'theory' refers to the way that we interpret facts." I hope that clears it up. As a layman I was convinced that the ToE was fact by the consilience of the evidence from genetics, molecular biology, paleontology, geology, comparative anatomy, comparative physiology, and many other fields.
 
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Can you tell how long a bone has been lying out in a pasture, approximately?
I can make a pretty good guess. But you aren't likely to find a bone even 50 years old just laying out somewhere. They degrade pretty fast. That's why fossils aren't generally bones that just laid there and got covered by leaves or whatever, those are long gone.
 
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We know evolution is a fact that has occurred by observing its results, i.e. modern organisms differ from past forms
We know evolution is still occurring by the differences between organisms and their descendants.
All those variations don't necessarily bring us to a progression from simple to complex.

In the fossil record organisms appear fully formed and then disappear or remain today. The lack of change recorded in the fossil record is used by evolutionists to support the idea of punctuated equilibrium.
A lack of transitional forms and the sudden appearance of new organisms are used to support this idea. What they actually support is creation. Not a gradual rise from the muck.
 
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When there is consilience of evidence from many fields there is little room for misinterpretation.

That is why science is peer reviewed

History is not forward looking. It does not make predictions.
I would think that a person hired to make observations would be trained well trained in the field they are working in.

Sounds like you are claiming that forensic anthropologists wasted loads of time and money for an education that does not give them expertise in their field.
Lol, except that you all claim there's no such search for proof.
But beyond that, being "well trained" to look for stuff that matches the current assumptions about the past really doesn't give me any confidence in their findings.
 
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When there is consilience of evidence from many fields there is little room for misinterpretation.

That is why science is peer reviewed

History is not forward looking. It does not make predictions.
I would think that a person hired to make observations would be trained well trained in the field they are working in.

Sounds like you are claiming that forensic anthropologists wasted loads of time and money for an education that does not give them expertise in their field.

People with no knowledge ofba field of expertise often
think there isnt much to what someone else does.

The sneering contempt for "flyovrr country" people
expressed by the coastal elites being an easy example.

Let a hotshot wall st lawyer attempt to run a ranch.

City girl me thought it was just having fun riding horses
and letting the cows do their stuff

I had the rare and wonderful experience of being " adopted"
by a Wyoming ranch family. They did their best to make this
pint size Asian into a cowgirl.
Because I showed real interest, my friends Dad - who normally isn't
much of a talker- spent hours on show and tell, how
things work, what they do,

My lord is it complicated! So many moving parts, so much
to do, so many variables.

I learned this for sure. You can do law school in three years.
To be a rancher is far far more work, you have to be very
smart and start learning from when you are a little child.

For me, or some snooty self styled elite city dude to look down
on a rancher is- well, it takes a string of adjectives

Unfortunately our creationist friends are doing the same thing
when they denigrate the ability and integrity of scientists.

It certainly does nothing to elevate themselves or the quality
of their arguments when they pretend to know better than any
scientist on earth.

Too bad there's no easy way to point them at a horse and
say, " OK, go be a cowboy ifn ya know so much`.
 
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Lol, except that you all claim there's no such search for proof.
But beyond that, being "well trained" to look for stuff that matches the current assumptions about the past really doesn't give me any confidence in their findings.
If you know what you know what you are talking about then
please identify these "assumptions" you speak of.
Maybe tell us why you call them assumptions, how they were
developed.
Add in what degree of confidence is associated with same
and why.
Give concrete examples.

I kind of doubt you can do any of that.
Easy breezy talk and "lol" is cheap, showing you
know better than all them scientists isnt.
 
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Prease exprain how theory can be fact
When it's given out on test day, and you'd better have the right answers, or your paper will be graded accordingly.
 
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All those variations don't necessarily bring us to a progression from simple to complex.
Fossils show a progression of evolution from the simple to the complex. Fossils also predict future fossils.

In the fossil record organisms appear fully formed and then disappear or remain today. The lack of change recorded in the fossil record is used by evolutionists to support the idea of punctuated equilibrium.
A lack of transitional forms and the sudden appearance of new organisms are used to support this idea. What they actually support is creation. Not a gradual rise from the muck.
See:
Does the punctuated equilibrium theory refute evolution?
and

Lies, Damned Lies and Quote Mines | Gould, Eldredge and Punctuated Equilibria Quotes
 
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When there is consilience of evidence from many fields there is little room for misinterpretation.
And how did they arrive at that consilience? after how many tries? how many computers were involved? what evidence to the contrary is left out?

I'm just waiting for a time when they find a near complete skeleton, give it a scientific name, propagate it to the public as some great discovery of a missing link -- then someone notices it has fillings in its teeth.
 
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And how did they arrive at that consilience? after how many tries? how many computers were involved? what evidence to the contrary is left out?

I'm just waiting for a time when they find a near complete skeleton, give it a scientific name, propagate it to the public as some great discovery of a missing link -- then someone notices it has fillings in its teeth.
Your contempt for scientists is noted.
 
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And how did they arrive at that consilience?
Independently.
after how many tries? how many computers were involved? what evidence to the contrary is left out?
Are you assuming scientists from the many fields conspired?
I'm just waiting for a time when they find a near complete skeleton, give it a scientific name, propagate it to the public as some great discovery of a missing link -- then someone notices it has fillings in its teeth.
You are likely to have a very long wait.
 
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When did Pluto get demoted?

24 August 2006 -- also known as Pluto Demoted Day

Capping years of intense debate, astronomers resolved today (Aug. 24) to demote Pluto in a wholesale redefinition of planethood that is being billed as a victory of scientific reasoning over historic and cultural influences. But already the decision is being hotly debated.

SOURCE

Speedwell said:
It just got its designation changed.
Along with a death certificate.
Officially, Pluto is no longer a planet.

"Pluto is dead," said Caltech researcher Mike Brown, who spoke with reporters via a teleconference while monitoring the vote. The decision also means a Pluto-sized object that Brown discovered will not be called a planet.

"Pluto is not a planet," Brown said. "There are finally, officially, eight planets in the solar system."

SOURCE: Ibid ... or op. cit. ... or whatever you call it.
 
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Sorry for not being clear in my previous comment where I conflated facts with theory. The word 'theory' refers to the way that we interpret facts." I hope that clears it up. As a layman I was convinced that the ToE was fact by the consilience of the evidence from genetics, molecular biology, paleontology, geology, comparative anatomy, comparative physiology, and many other fields.

For those who are not ignorant of proof / theory, and lurking
about to pounce on some crumb of imagined win over them
" science" talkers, a little loose talk is harmless.

I certainly agree that the chsnce that ToE is fundamentally false
would be vanishing small.

The chance that one of the creationists is correct in any of their complaints
is somewhere in the negative minus zero range.
 
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