What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

[Subduction Zone]

I’ve told you where to look in the past,
Eg for Cochabamba a precis here . You could have found if you care.
The Bleeding Statue of Christ, In Couchabamba Bolivia | Reason To Believe
But you need to look at the books - videos - plenty to choose. You need to look at the evidence if you care about truth.

willesee gives a long description of the discussion in his book.

But in years you never have.

That is not very reliable. It is also contradictory. Do you have any proper sources? Work done by real scientists would help your claims.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Still not sure how the appearance of these cells combined with a misquote of something Darwin said 150 years ago falsifies the theory of evolution

I agree. It appears that he is conflating accepting evolution with atheism.

 

[Mountainmike]

That is not very reliable. It is also contradictory. Do you have any proper sources? Work done by real scientists would help your claims.

If you don’t regard Lawrence as a scientist - you don’t know either who he is or what a real scientist is. Seemingly your definition of “ real scientist” is anyone who agrees with you...

if you care you will buy some books.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Darwin postulated all life came from progressive small change. these - assuming real - didn’t. Do I have to spell it out?

I am not answering again until you give some evidence you have looked at the evidence so it can be discussed.

Sorry, but even if true your bogus claims wouldn't refute the theory of evolution. Why do you think that it does?

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you don’t regard Lawrence as a scientist - you don’t know either who he is or what a real scientist is. Seemingly your definition of “ real scientist” is anyone who agrees with you...

if you care you will buy some books.

That appears to be because you have no understanding of the scientific method or the concept of scientific evidence. Once again would you care to learn?

 

[Speedwell]

I agree. It appears that he is conflating accepting evolution with atheism.

Which brings us back to the OP, which asserted that the existence of a creator God falsifies abiogenesis and the theory of evolution. Good for Mike for staying on-topic.

 

[renniks]

No need. Actions like this would leave massive evidence.

This is also why we know that there was no worldwide flood.

Actions like what exactly?

 

[renniks]

Hey, what happened to your explanation of the differences in gravity if it was created by God or if it's natural. You know, the dropped pencils...

The difference is that it matters if it's designed. If not, nothing matters.

When God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, it was a reaction to the creation of gravity.
The Earth formed around a gravitational singularity.
Gravitational time dilation (GTD) means that the remote regions of the cosmos may be 13.8 billion years old or more, but the earth only 6000 or so years old, at the same time.

 

[Speedwell]

The difference is that it matters if it's designed. If not, nothing matters.

No, that's not the point. When you drop a pencil, it appears to behave according to the natural laws of gravity as science describes them. If God is designing that fall, the pencil must behave differently. What do you predict that difference will be?

 

[Mr Laurier]

The difference is that it matters if it's designed. If not, nothing matters.

Your line of reasoning seems to lack a connection here.

 

[renniks]

Well, I could tell *that*.

I wondered what *kind* of book about Christianity it was.

(Tinker Grey indicates that it is "apologetics". I think I shall pass then, I can think of nothing less interesting or compelling a subject matter than "apologetics".)

It's much more interesting than most apologetics books.

 

[renniks]

Why would it act differently? It acts exactly as God designed it to act.

No, that's not the point. When you drop a pencil, it appears to behave according to the natural laws of gravity as science describes them. If God is designing that fall, the pencil must behave differently. What do you predict that difference will be?

 

[renniks]

Who are you suggesting are looking for intelligence?

Opinion: 'How the Heavens Go'

Science Finds God

(Jim Sugar/Corbis)
By Sharon Begley

The achievements of modern science seem to contradict religion and undermine faith. But for a growing number of scientists, the same discoveries offer support for spirituality and hints of the very nature of God.

The more deeply scientists see into the secrets of the universe, you'd expect, the more God would fade away from their hearts and minds.

But that's not how it went for Allan Sandage. Now slightly stooped and white-haired at 72, Sandage has spent a professional lifetime coaxing secrets out of the stars, peering through telescopes from Chile to California in the hope of spying nothing less than the origins and destiny of the universe. As much as any other 20th-century astronomer, Sandage actually figured it out: his observations of distant stars showed how fast the universe is expanding and how old it is (15 billion years or so).

But through it all Sandage, who says he was "almost a practicing atheist as a boy," was nagged by mysteries whose answers were not to be found in the glittering panoply of supernovas. Among them: why is there something rather than nothing?

Sandage began to despair of answering such questions through reason alone, and so, at 50, he willed himself to accept God. "It was my science that drove me to the conclusion that the world is much more complicated than can be explained by science," he says. "It is only through the supernatural that I can understand the mystery of existence."

Since pure thought can penetrate the universe's mysteries, "this seems to be telling us that something about human consciousness is harmonious with the mind of God," says Carl Feit, a cancer biologist at Yeshiva University in New York and Talmudic scholar."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/newsweek/science_of_god/scienceofgod.htm

 

[Speedwell]

Why would it act differently? It acts exactly as God designed it to act.

ID proposes that there will be a difference. Just like evolution: ID proposes that natural laws as science describes them cannot explain the emergence of certain biological structures thus they require the intervention of a designer. What you persist in calling "ID" is actually theistic evolution--the idea that evolution proceeds according to natural laws because that's the way God "designed" it to happen.

 

[renniks]

ID proposes that there will be a difference. Just like evolution: ID proposes that natural laws as science describes them cannot explain the emergence of certain biological structures thus they require the intervention of a designer.

No ID doesn't claim a pencil should hit the floor differently if God designed science. Intervention? That's like saying that the quarterback throwing the ball is interfering with the game.

 

[dlamberth]

Actions like what exactly?

I'd expect to see something like these giant current ripples from the Ice Age floods that ran through western Washington.

 

[Speedwell]

Darwin postulated all life came from progressive small change. these - assuming real - didn’t. Do I have to spell it out?

I am not answering again until you give some evidence you have looked at the evidence so it can be discussed.

I missed your response to the suggestion that you had misquoted Darwin.

 

[Frank Robert]

Opinion: 'How the Heavens Go'

I don't doubt that some scientists search for God nor that some scientists believe they have found God. I was just wondering how my original comment that "scientist do not know everything" relates to your remark "So, you have given up claiming they aren't trying to find out whether there's intelligence behind the universe?"

 

[Astrid]

I’ve told you where to look in the past,
Eg for Cochabamba a precis here . You could have found if you care.
The Bleeding Statue of Christ, In Couchabamba Bolivia | Reason To Believe
But you need to look at the books - videos - plenty to choose. You need to look at the evidence if you care about truth.

willesee gives a long description of the discussion in his book.

But in years you never have.

Your link says that human blood cells were collected but that
they contained no DNA.

Did you ever think to question how they could identify them
as human?

 

[Hans Blaster]

The difference is that it matters if it's designed. If not, nothing matters.

When God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, it was a reaction to the creation of gravity.
The Earth formed around a gravitational singularity.
Gravitational time dilation (GTD) means that the remote regions of the cosmos may be 13.8 billion years old or more, but the earth only 6000 or so years old, at the same time.

Would you care to show your calculations for this difference between the passage of time at the Earth (6000 yr) and the Universe (13.8 Gyr)?

Exactly how curved must spacetime be about the Earth to create an effect of that strength?

If the Earth formed about a singularity, what was the mass of that singularity? Why hasn't it consumed the Earth by accretion yet?