What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

[renniks]

How so? The doctrine of ex materia was popular in early Christian times and is believe by some Christians still. It was suppressed by the Fathers out of fear that it might lead to Gnostic dualism. In any case, what you think the Bible has to say on the subject has no relevance to scientific investigations into the origins of the material universe.

Perhaps Ex nihilo is incorrect in the sense that God pulled the energy from himself to create, so that energy is what existed before matter. And it does matter in so much as this is a discussion about creation and evolution. And it should matter to you. If you say you are a Christian, believing "in the Beginning, God" is the most fundamental of Christian beliefs. Without it, you can't have any of the Christian doctrines.

 

[renniks]

1. How old is the universe?

No one actually knows.

2. Do populations change over time?

Populations change quite rapidly. The eastern coyote has gone through several genetic changes just in my lifetime. But they are still coyotes, and if they breed with dogs or wolves until they are something else, they are still canines.

3. Is man an ape?

Man is a special creation of God. And ape is just another animal.

 

[Speedwell]

Perhaps Ex nihilo is incorrect in the sense that God pulled the energy from himself to create, so that energy is what existed before matter.

belief in Ex Deo creation was never very widespread in Christian circles and doesn't appear much before the 3rd Century.

And it does matter in so much as this is a discussion about creation and evolution. And it should matter to you. If you say you are a Christian, believing "in the Beginning, God" is the most fundamental of Christian beliefs. Without it, you can't have any of the Christian doctrines.

What makes you think I don't believe it or don't think it's necessary to Christian doctrine? All I'm saying is that the existence of God and His authorship of our being is not particularly relevant to a creationism v. evolution discussion.

 

[VirOptimus]

No one actually knows.


Populations change quite rapidly. The eastern coyote has gone through several genetic changes just in my lifetime. But they are still coyotes, and if they breed with dogs or wolves until they are something else, they are still canines.


Man is a special creation of God. And ape is just another animal.

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[Astrid]

belief in Ex Deo creation was never very widespread in Christian circles and doesn't appear much before the 3rd Century. What makes you think I don't believe it or don't think it's necessary to Christian doctrine? All I'm saying is that the existence of God and His authorship of our being is not particularly relevant to a creationism v. evolution discussion.

Eze to see why our funfys get so hysterical about the " big bang"
and so love their kalam cosmo.

It's a bit like Godwin law, that all arguments end up being about Hitler.
Estrids corrolary perhaps:
Every creogument eventually ends up with
"BB is dumb therefore God".

Subsection A
"God is proved, so faith is dead."

 

[Speedwell]

Eze to see why our funfys get so hysterical about the " big bang"
and so love their kalam cosmo.

It's a bit like Godwin law, that all arguments end up being about Hitler.
Estrids corrolary perhaps:
Every creogument eventually ends up with
"BB is dumb therefore God".

Subsection A
"God is proved, so faith is dead."

What is remarkable too is that BB theory was developed by a Christian.

 

[Astrid]

What is remarkable too is that BB theory was developed by a Christian.

Not a true one.

 

[AV1611VET]

What is remarkable too is that BB theory was developed by a Christian.

Christians can't be wrong?

 

[AV1611VET]

Not a true one.

If you're talking about Fred Hoyle, he considered himself an atheist, and promoted panspermia as to how the earth was populated.

 

[AV1611VET]

What is remarkable too is that BB theory was developed by a Christian.

Who?

 

[Speedwell]

Who?

Georges LeMaitre

 

[renniks]

Eze to see why our funfys get so hysterical about the " big bang"
and so love their kalam cosmo.

It's a bit like Godwin law, that all arguments end up being about Hitler.
Estrids corrolary perhaps:
Every creogument eventually ends up with
"BB is dumb therefore God".

Subsection A
"God is proved, so faith is dead."

I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying here since most of it isn't in English but I don't think the big bang is dumb. I think it's just saying something the Bible said long ago. God spread out, ( expanded) the universe from a single point of energy, which most likely was himself.

 

[Frank Robert]

Which doesn't change what I said.

You really don't under it. Let me put it another way so the next time you do it you might have a meta understanding.

 

[Tinker Grey]

belief in Ex Deo creation was never very widespread in Christian circles and doesn't appear much before the 3rd Century.

It was a belief I "invented" (before I discovered it was old) while I was still a Christian. It solved some problems, kinda. Like time being a built in feature of god-stuff that the universe inherits. Thus God can act. Time could be multidimensional and what we experience is a projection onto our "axis". Etc., etc.

It's a fun idea. I think I may have been wrestling with problems that arise from the idea, but I don't remember any more what they were.

 

[Shemjaza]

No one actually knows.

But we have evidence leading to a time where there was no life and no matter as we understand the concept and that was about 14 billion years ago.

Populations change quite rapidly. The eastern coyote has gone through several genetic changes just in my lifetime. But they are still coyotes, and if they breed with dogs or wolves until they are something else, they are still canines.

They are also still mammals and still animals. You get the concept, just put made up barriers that are not supported by any evidence.

Man is a special creation of God. And ape is just another animal.

Speaking of made up barriers. Genetically chimps are closer to humans than they are to gorillas.

If you include the extinct species of hominids there isn't even a sensible definition of a hard barrier between the colloquial concepts of "ape" and "man".

 

[AV1611VET]

Perhaps Ex nihilo is incorrect in the sense that God pulled the energy from himself to create, so that energy is what existed before matter.

I believe God created parts of the universe ex nihilo, and parts ex materia.

Obviously the earth was created ex nihilo, but Adam was taken from the dust of the ground, thus ex materia.

 

[renniks]

They are also still mammals and still animals. You get the concept, just put made up barriers that are not supported by any evidence.

But they are. Unless you can show me a half feline, half canine. Not speculation about one that existed millions of years ago.

 

[renniks]

I believe God created parts of the universe ex nihilo, and parts ex materia.

Obviously the earth was created ex nihilo, but Adam was taken from the dust of the ground, thus ex materia.

True, but I'm speaking more about the concept of everything once being energy that God converted into matter, so that would include everything. The dirt that he converted into man was something he'd already created. In other words, he just reformed the matter that he'd already created earlier

 

[AV1611VET]

True, but I'm speaking more about the concept of everything once being energy that God converted into matter, so that would include everything. The dirt that he converted into man was something he'd already created. In other words, he just reformed the matter that he'd already created earlier

I see what you're saying.

That in the beginning, God created a universal pool of energy, the equivalent of the amount of energy that exists today, then converted some of that energy (E=mc²) to matter.

Is that right?

 

[Speedwell]

But they are. Unless you can show me a half feline, half canine. Not speculation about one that existed millions of years ago.

No such thing. The common ancestor of the canines and felines was neither one.