What is the evidence for creationism?

[dawiyd]

So does that mean that evoluton is a metaphor. So there is no meaning to it and no association between evolution and genetics?

NO.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

So does that mean that evoluton is a metaphor. So there is no meaning to it and no association between evolution and genetics?

Winner of the 2006 Olympics in Long Distance Thought Leaping: John R7

 

[OdwinOddball]

Well I think at this point that it is pretty clear that what John calls "sceintific evidence" has no relation to what the rest of the world calls scientific evidence. Basically John is stating that everything is evidence for creation.

Well John, I state that everything is evidence for Odin the All Father. There is just as much chance that I could be right as you are.

Neither of the above is scientific in any way. If you do not understand why, then you do not understand science at all, which I suspect is the real problem here.

 

[truthmonger89]

All of science is evidence for creation. As knowledge increases then we have more evidence.
We have a better understanding of how God created the world we live in.

From the very beginning God has kept truth seperated from error,
so that people do not have any confusion as to what is true and what is error.

If the first creationists used science as the basis for their theory, then the primitive scientific thinking of the time led them to some drastically mistaken conclusions. Their scientific thought process brought them the theory that the earth was flat, it brought them the theory that the sun revolved around the earth, it brought them the theory that diseases were caused by evil spirits, and many more laughably absurd, completely and totally wrong scientific theories which have no basis whatsoever in reality.

In hindsight we can see why ignorant people might reach the conclusions they did; it's not really fair to blame them for forming bad ideas based on the limited information they had. The earth is so large that from the perspective of someone standing outside who didn't know any better, it does appear flat. But it's not. And the same goes for the idea that the sun revolves around the earth; for someone who doesn't know any better it sure looks that way.

And so science in those days basically meant making something up that seemed to fit with the information you had, and sticking with it no matter what, even if you weren't really sure if it was true and had no way to find out.

Creationism is no different, it was just an idea that seemed to make sense at the time given the limited information they had and no way of testing to find out if they were wrong. In their primitive, ignorant minds they could not understand how everything could exist, so they simply made up their own explanation, just like they did with all those other crackpot ideas which turned out to be complete nonsense when scrutinized and tested using science.

If people want to reject God, that is their choice to make.
Of course there will be consequences for having made the choice to reject God.
The problem then, is when people are deceived into thinking that there will not be a price to pay for their rebellion against God.

The choice to reject God is based upon the theory of God's existence failing to stand up to scrutiny. I cannot believe an idea which I find completely unbelievable and I see no reason to pretend that I believe it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Winner of the 2006 Olympics in Long Distance Thought Leaping: John R7

And I trained so hard for that!

 

[shernren]

And I trained so hard for that!

We can tell.

 

[EvoDan]

...Well John, I state that everything is evidence for Odin the All Father. There is just as much chance that I could be right as you are...

And I thought everything was evidence for the FSM.

 

[EvoDan]

And I trained so hard for that!

You need better coaches.

ANd a better mascot.

 

[JohnR7]

And I trained so hard for that!

Your trained hard for the quantum leap in logic?

 

[Cannonflare]

They have discovered evidence. DNA is evidence for a Creator and Creation. DNA we are told is the langage of God. It is the language God uses to create with.

Who told you this JohnR7? Someone should tell the person who told you this, that the A in DNA stands for Acid.

 

[Oncedeceived]

All you do is take parts of scripture and interpret them in a way that seemingly correlates with modern science. Unless there is a verse in Genesis along the lines of "In the beginning, there was a superhot quasi-fluid quark-gluon plasma.", I don't see your evidence.

Creationism in the Christian Worldview is not a theory as the OP intended. Creationism imho anyway goes hand in hand with being a Bible believing Christian. In that context, I don't feel that Creationism is on the same standing as is the theory of evolution. I was presenting what I feel is a reasonable accounting of the Creation narrative with what we have as evidence in the universe. Evidence is not exclusive to one discipline or theory; but is what it is.

 

[Chalnoth]

Creationism in the Christian Worldview is not a theory as the OP intended. Creationism imho anyway goes hand in hand with being a Bible believing Christian. In that context, I don't feel that Creationism is on the same standing as is the theory of evolution. I was presenting what I feel is a reasonable accounting of the Creation narrative with what we have as evidence in the universe. Evidence is not exclusive to one discipline or theory; but is what it is.

Huh? What you just said automatically places Creationism on entirely different standing from the theory of evolution. Adherents of every religion on Earth believe that evolutionary theory is a valid theory with strong supportig evidence (i.e. the truth).

'True' belief in evolutionary theory is not blind belief, but tentative belief based upon evidence, subject to disproval (however unlikely) upon the discovery of new evidence (blind belief is, of course, possible, but is against the culture of science).

Belief in Creationism is, by definition, blind, because there is zero evidence outside the Bible for the Biblical creation account.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Creationism in the Christian Worldview is not a theory as the OP intended.

Are you saying that creationism is not scientific?

Creationism imho anyway goes hand in hand with being a Bible believing Christian.

Wrong, as shown by the numerous TEs on this forum alone.

In that context, I don't feel that Creationism is on the same standing as is the theory of evolution.

Well, glad we finally cleared that up. The only thing creationism is on the same standing is astrology.

I was presenting what I feel is a reasonable accounting of the Creation narrative with what we have as evidence in the universe.

Where? I only saw some Genesis verses, interpreted so as to fit random scientific theories and observation.

Evidence is not exclusive to one discipline or theory; but is what it is.

So if there is only one set, so to say, of evidence, and this said evidence points in a particular direction from every way you look at it, why not accept that?

 

[JesusWalks78]

So, I'm asking creationists to stop debunking evolution for a moment and explain to me why the theory of creationism works. Walk me through it step by step in layman's terms, explaining what the evidence is and how it fits together to form a comprehensive explanation of an omnipotent being creating everything.

Faith.

 

[JohnR7]

Adherents of every religion on Earth believe that evolutionary theory is a valid theory with strong supportig evidence (i.e. the truth).

Are these people that your talking about the same ones that use to believe the earth was "flat" and that the sun and all the stars revolved around the earth? So the earth was the center of the universe?

 

[Beastt]

Faith.

Truthmonger89 asked you to present the evidence. Faith is independent of evidence. In fact, via faith, one could adopt and hold a belief in absolutely anything. Through faith people have believed that a comet was a device to conceal a UFO and that by committing suicide, they would be transported aboard that UFO and flown off to Heaven. Through faith people believe that if they blow themselves up, along with their enemies, they will receive multiple virgins when they arrive in Heaven. No concept is too bizarre to be held as truth through faith. So faith seems a rather poor evidence for belief in anything. In fact, it seems completely accurate to establish that if faith is the only way to believe a concept, that concept offers zero credibility. Otherwise there would be credible evidence with which to offer the concept support.

Faith is a bad thing. Only in religion are people taught that faith is good. In every other aspect of life, it is recognized as a primary method to facilitate one's own victimization.

 

[Beastt]

Are these people that your talking about the same ones that use to believe the earth was "flat" and that the sun and all the stars revolved around the earth? So the earth was the center of the universe?

Those beliefs all align with claims from the Bible. The Christian church not only taught, but viciously defended, the idea of geocentrism for over 16-centuries. Galileo was sentenced to house arrest, forced to publicly denounce heliocentrism and his book was hidden from the eyes of the public. He died, still under house arrest, nine years later. Giordano Bruno was a popular Italian philosopher. But he made it known that he subscribed to the Copernican configuration of the solar system, (heliocentrism), and for this "crime against God", was burned at the stake in 1600.

 

[Everlasting33]

"I see no evidence here."

To be honest, I believe no matter what evidence creationists find, you may still say "I see no evidence".

So, is there really a reason why we should post here?

 

[JohnR7]

Is there any reason to post here?
Yes, because the word of God always accomplishes what God intends for it to accomplish.

Isaiah 55:11
So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shall accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.

 

[JohnR7]

Those beliefs all align with claims from the Bible. The Christian church not only taught

You need to study up on that a little bit more. Those beliefs go back to the Greeks and they go back before the New Testament Christian Church.

"crime against God", was burned at the stake in 1600.

Yes and my ancestor was burned at the stake in 1555 for being a protestant. What is your point?
If you are going to take a stand for the truth, then you can expect that your going to be persecuted.

Matthew 5:12
Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

You have a choice, you are either persecuted or persecutor, which one are you?
There is no middle ground and there is no fense sitting allowed. You are in or out with God, you are for him or against him.