What is the difference?

[brother daniel]

Not all . Tradition has emphasized the bread and wine far out of proportion than what it was .

Ah ... not . Even *if* the Scriptures underlined them , that is no where near the influence for people to reconsider anything . First of all , it emphasizes a work for righteousness if life is turned upside down simply because of an interpretation of a writing . Second , it ignores the passages urging the walking in the Spirit and not the written code .

Here is what the Hply Ghost has to say on the subject of bread and wine and its importance.

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God.

2Sa 6:19And he dealt among all the people, [even] among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to every one a cake of bread, and a good piece [of flesh], and a flagon [of wine]. So all the people departed every one to his house.


The issue here now is discerning our lords body.

Our APOSTOLIC custom as the BODY OF CHRIST sharing in this most intimate ACT ,is discribed in three of the Gospels.

Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

Mar 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake [it], and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.

Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake [it], and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Three time the Holy Ghost has reminded us of the importance of this ACT.

Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake [it], and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1Cr 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

1Cr 10:17 For we [being] many are one bread, [and] one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

1Cr 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink [this] cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

1Cr 11:28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup.


1Cr 11:29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Now our faith is, that Jesus Christ is present in us as we forgive one another of all fault and we feed on his word as guided by his Holy Spirit.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

 

[Sleaker]

Not all . Tradition has emphasized the bread and wine far out of proportion than what it was .

[bible]Acts 2:46[/bible]

Acts presents me with a picture of house gatherings, and with it I must say that if we truly understood the power behind communion it wouldn't be a question of: "is it a ritual?", but rather a question of "When do I get to do it next?"

 

[New_Wineskin]

Here is what the Hply Ghost has to say on the subject of bread and wine and its importance.

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God.

2Sa 6:19And he dealt among all the people, [even] among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to every one a cake of bread, and a good piece [of flesh], and a flagon [of wine]. So all the people departed every one to his house.


The issue here now is discerning our lords body.

Our APOSTOLIC custom as the BODY OF CHRIST sharing in this most intimate ACT ,is discribed in three of the Gospels.

Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

Mar 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake [it], and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.

Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake [it], and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Three time the Holy Ghost has reminded us of the importance of this ACT.

Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake [it], and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1Cr 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

1Cr 10:17 For we [being] many are one bread, [and] one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

1Cr 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink [this] cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

1Cr 11:28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup.


1Cr 11:29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

The "Holy Ghost" also stated that all males be circumcized . The "Holy Ghost" also commanded that believers must put to death those that break the Sabbath . I don't see those commands being exercized by those that say that righteousness is earned by performing the ritual of bread and wine .

Now our faith is, that Jesus Christ is present in us as we forgive one another of all fault and we feed on his word as guided by his Holy Spirit.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

Now , if this is referring to the Scriptures , I know that you cannot produce passages that state the above . Faith is not associated with the Law of the Scriptures .

 

[New_Wineskin]

[bible]Acts 2:46[/bible]

Acts presents me with a picture of house gatherings, and with it I must say that if we truly understood the power behind communion it wouldn't be a question of: "is it a ritual?", but rather a question of "When do I get to do it next?"

That is exactly why I said "not all" . As you say , that passage presents *you* with that picture . And , that is fine . If you are happy with it , I am happy . However , for me to do it just because *you* have that picture would be my placing my faith in your faith in that piece of writing .

I won't wish to do something because of some power or something else I would get . I would wish to do it because the Lord wanted me to do so .

I don't ask if something is a ritual or not . I ask , "Why do you wish me to do such and such ?" If the Lord is not the one telling me , it cannot be of faith in Him . If the Lord wants me to do something , it doesn't matter if it is a ritual or not . If He doesn't want me to do something , it doesn't matter if it is a ritual or not . If He doesn't care if I do something , then it being a ritual that some people demand as a religious thing is enough for me to avoid it . The major denomination that was forced on me while growing up has as a doctrine that people perform this act once a year during a specific time or they would be damned . So , I will not simply do this for the sake of people thinking that it is something that I must do .

This is a major reason for home groups ... to rethink the doctrines that have been pushed on people . I don't agree with any strict adherance to this doctrine . A simple meal can be fine . Brownies with chocolate milk is great . Tea and crumpets is divine .

PS . I would like to know why people are not pushing the meeting in the Temple part ? I bet most who push this aren't even in Jerusalem to do this .

 

[brother daniel]

Here is what the Hply Ghost has to say on the subject of bread and wine and its importance.

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God.

2Sa 6:19And he dealt among all the people, [even] among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to every one a cake of bread, and a good piece [of flesh], and a flagon [of wine]. So all the people departed every one to his house.


The issue here now is discerning our lords body.

Our APOSTOLIC custom as the BODY OF CHRIST sharing in this most intimate ACT ,is discribed in three of the Gospels.

Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

Mar 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake [it], and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.

Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake [it], and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Three time the Holy Ghost has reminded us of the importance of this ACT.

Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake [it], and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1Cr 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

1Cr 10:17 For we [being] many are one bread, [and] one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

1Cr 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink [this] cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

1Cr 11:28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup.


1Cr 11:29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Now our faith is, that Jesus Christ is present in us as we forgive one another of all fault and we feed on his word as guided by his Holy Spirit.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

The "Holy Ghost" also stated that all males be circumcized . The "Holy Ghost" also commanded that believers must put to death those that break the Sabbath . I don't see those commands being exercized by those that say that righteousness is earned by performing the ritual of bread and wine .

New-Wineskin,
Why are you refering to the old covenent as you argue?
Is Jesus your Lord?

What we have in the New testament is the result of the Jesus giving us his Holy Ghost.

Now our faith is, that Jesus Christ is present in us as we forgive one another of all fault and we feed on his word as guided by his Holy Spirit.

Now , if this is referring to the Scriptures , I know that you cannot produce passages that state the above . Faith is not associated with the Law of the Scriptures .

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Jhn 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jhn 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

If Our Father is not present in us we are lost.

Jesus is speaking to us now.

Rev 3:20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.


Will you let him come in?

With love in Christ
brother daniel

 

[Edial]

The words sacrament and sacramental are not biblical.

Every step of faith I take based on the words of Jesus is an act of reverance and Holy because he is Holy and called us to be a Holy people.


1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

2Pe 3:11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,

Therefore at this time with you the brethren, I am fellowshiping with in the name of Jesus, this is a Holy meeting and Jesus Christ our Lord is present with us NOW, no mater what the time differance.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and lives right now in each one of us.

To me our meeting this way is an act of reverance and it is strengthing my relationship with the brethren I meet face to face.

A sister in the Lord arrived here this afternoon saying she wanted to have a prayer meeting on a regular basis.

My wife was also here and I said, fine lets go in the house and pray. The sister had a young four year old daughter who was distracted in the house and was acting unruly.

I suggested we go out side where I had stacked a pile of old fallen wood for burning and continue praying as I burned the trash wood.

We fellowshiped around the fire and racked sticks and leaves for a couple of hours all the time sharing encouraging words about what God was showing each one of us.

It was in every sense communion, yet we show even more reverance when we share the actual bread and wine in rememberance of Jesus.

We are not stuck in a dogmatic rut. We are able to turn our every meeting into a new ritual that may never be repeated.

I have found that we are very blessed when we adhere to the words of Jesus and wash each others feet, as well as share the bread and wine.

Love feasts are another matter and can happen any time when bretheren arrive for a pot luck gathering.
Sometimes its vegaterian and other times its barbaque.
As the Lord leads.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

Now this is a very good and balanced post from brother daniel.
He did not deny any of what was spoken, since all are true, and just put them in their proper places, put them in order.
Communion specific of THAT moment, regular communion of the saints over prayer, foot washing, pot luck, fellowship.

All is there - no disagreement.

Let's just call things by their names, this way we may not be deceived.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Edial]

response on the root of thread.

 

[Edial]

to New_Wineskin ...

...
I don't ask if something is a ritual or not . I ask , "Why do you wish me to do such and such ?" If the Lord is not the one telling me , it cannot be of faith in Him . If the Lord wants me to do something , it doesn't matter if it is a ritual or not . If He doesn't want me to do something , it doesn't matter if it is a ritual or not . If He doesn't care if I do something , then it being a ritual that some people demand as a religious thing is enough for me to avoid it . The major denomination that was forced on me while growing up has as a doctrine that people perform this act once a year during a specific time or they would be damned . So , I will not simply do this for the sake of people thinking that it is something that I must do .

Thanks for an explanation and showing that your priority is to follow His will and to make certain that it is not men's will.
Because indeed, many say do this and that, because of this and that.

Concerning communion, do you believe that the Lord did not address you specifically New_Wineskin when he stated to do this?

...This is a major reason for home groups ... to rethink the doctrines that have been pushed on people .

This is good. I am all for it.

However, there is always a danger of throwing the baby out with bathwater.

Some denominations PUSH communion as a salvation "tool" and dress it in their own denominational garbs.

Yet communion is in the Bible.

... I don't agree with any strict adherance to this doctrine . A simple meal can be fine . Brownies with chocolate milk is great . Tea and crumpets is divine .

Well, that's another matter.
Your salvation is not dependant on whether you do it or not.

We are talking of perhabs of respect on our part, since Christ himself asked.

Perhabs of obedience, since he did not offer deeper explanation for the reasons of such methodology and just expects us to take Him as His word. (Same as with Baptism that we do not really understand, regardless of what the commentaries claim to teach ).

... PS . I would like to know why people are not pushing the meeting in the Temple part ? I bet most who push this aren't even in Jerusalem to do this .

Because the Temple was destroyed, it's location is remote and Christ taught that time would come that people would not need to go there in order to worship.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Sleaker]

That is exactly why I said "not all" . As you say , that passage presents *you* with that picture . And , that is fine . If you are happy with it , I am happy . However , for me to do it just because *you* have that picture would be my placing my faith in your faith in that piece of writing .

Mm No no, I'm jsut suggesting that we learn by Experiencing new things, not by simply throwing what we have learned around, in speech. If someone told you there was a fuller way to do something would you simply ignore them because it's not what you've experienced in the past or would you consider the method that may be a bit different than you are used to? The idea is that I truly believe God speaks to different individuals, and while there may not be a certain way to specifically take communion, it's good to look at the different ways that we do these things as to get a larger picture. That is simply why I say that it is powerful to do it one way, because I've experienced something different and gotten closer because of the way I began to look at communion differently.

 

[Edial]

to Sleaker ...

Mm I'm not sure if I emphasize them, what I do emphasize during them is the remembrance of Christ though. I know that it is largely emphasized to be taking communion, but from experience there isn't much teaching on what to do during communion or what it means to remember.

Exactly.

There isn't much teaching on what that means. Just direct statements.

And we are just asked to ... just do it.
And why? Because he asked.

Now, I am not going into that transubstantion, consubstantiation, symbolic nature of communion. (By Communion I refer to THAT moment that we discussed).

This is theology and most of the theologians themselves do not fully understand what they teach.
I am not putting theologians down, since I use many of the dosctrines because they are very good.
It is just some of them "lord over people" with "theology" and readily accept praise and after basking in it for a while "humbly" state that "all praise belongs to God".

If Christ asked us to do that and stated that this is his body and that we are to do that (breaking of the bread, or his body) in rememberance of him, what do we do?
We develop THEOLOGY on to what that MEANS.

Just do it because he said it. "This is my body".

Did the bread turned into the body - well it is bread.
Did he not mean it when he said that? - well he said it. Why say it and not mean it?

So, what is it?
It is the bread that we see and eat and the body that we do not see and cannot "taste".

NO.
Why not? He said it.
What if you are wrong?
But that's all I understand based on what he said.

I cannot disprove what he said not to be true, since I cannot disprove the Supernatural.



Thanks,
Ed

 

[New_Wineskin]

New-Wineskin,
Why are you refering to the old covenent as you argue?
Is Jesus your Lord?

First of all , that is a violation of the forum rules . You know that you should not question another member's christianinty .

Second , why is it when *you* quote the Scriptures , it is the "Holy Ghost" but when *I* quote the Scriptures , it is the old covenant ?

What we have in the New testament is the result of the Jesus giving us his Holy Ghost.

The writings that you call "the New Testament" is a misnomer . The writings are not the new covenant and it is old covenant mentality to consider them to be such . It is a continuation to live under the written code instead of the Spririt . It ignores a huge part of Paul's writings by living under Law .

Do you not know that when the newer writings refer to the Scriptures , they first and foremost are referring to the older writings ( what you call the "Old Testament" ) ?

Now our faith is, that Jesus Christ is present in us as we forgive one another of all fault and we feed on his word as guided by his Holy Spirit.

Do you have a Scriptural passage stating that we "feed" on the Scriptures to obtain faith ? Paul ( in the Scriptures ) says that sush mentality is opposing to faith .

Jesus is speaking to us now.

Rev 3:20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.


Will you let him come in?

With love in Christ
brother daniel

Again , a violation . I won't report you this time .
Anyone posting in these forums has given their word that they agree with that creed and they agree that creed meets the criteria for a Christian .

 

[New_Wineskin]

to New_Wineskin ...
Thanks for an explanation and showing that your priority is to follow His will and to make certain that it is not men's will.
Because indeed, many say do this and that, because of this and that.

No problem .

Concerning communion, do you believe that the Lord did not address you specifically New_Wineskin when he stated to do this?

The context does not show that He was speaking to me . Nor does it show that I was present at the time that He spoke it . Can you show where He is speaking to me in whatever passage you are using ?

However, there is always a danger of throwing the baby out with bathwater.

There is no baby . So , I see no problem in throwing it out . To see is this is a true doctrine , I desire to throw it all out and rebuild from scratch . Keeping anything could cause the same problem as before . Do you understand my position ?

Some denominations PUSH communion as a salvation "tool" and dress it in their own denominational garbs.

Yet communion is in the Bible.

So is circumcism and keeping the Sabbath and worshipping golden calfs . If these are no longer considered a part of the Scriptures , why keep them bound in the same book ?

Your salvation is not dependant on whether you do it or not.

I agree . That is why I don't see why people get into a huff if I say that I don't have to do it . It would only matter if it was a requirement for salvation .

We are talking of perhabs of respect on our part, since Christ himself asked.

If He indeed asked , it would be a salvation issue .

Not only did the Lord ask , but He demanded circumcism . Yet when the Jews wanted the Gentiles to do so ( because the Lord *said* so ) , Paul had a problem . I have the same problem when people tell me that the Lord said such and such because of their interpretation of the Scriptures . They are doing the same thing as the Jews and I provide the same argument that Paul gave .

Perhabs of obedience, since he did not offer deeper explanation for the reasons of such methodology and just expects us to take Him as His word. (Same as with Baptism that we do not really understand, regardless of what the commentaries claim to teach ).

This whole idea of claiming obedience to short-circuit Paul's writings doesn't wash with me . The Jews wanted obedience of the Scriptures when they wanted the Gentiles to be circumcized . That is all - the same argument . Paul claims that such an argument indicates that it is not of faith and attempting to produce righteousness by works .

Because the Temple was destroyed, it's location is remote and Christ taught that time would come that people would not need to go there in order to worship.

Thanks,
Ed

The Lord gave only one physical location for the Temple . If the Temple part of the sentence is no londer in play , the whole statement is thrown out . I only bring this up because it was a part of the passage provided . If one part is a must , all of it is . One part no longer a must , none of it is . I would like consistancy .

 

[Sleaker]

Now , if this is referring to the Scriptures , I know that you cannot produce passages that state the above . Faith is not associated with the Law of the Scriptures .

Faith is however directly associated with Works and obedience though is it not? 1 John and James show us that Faith without works is dead, and if we say one thing and do another we are liars, and hypocrits. Does not faith in God and in Jesus demand that we obey and if we do not obey does it not show that we are rebelling, or acting in ignorance?

Now maybe the question is: Is communion something that God asks all believers to do?

 

[New_Wineskin]

Mm No no, I'm jsut suggesting that we learn by Experiencing new things, not by simply throwing what we have learned around, in speech. If someone told you there was a fuller way to do something would you simply ignore them because it's not what you've experienced in the past or would you consider the method that may be a bit different than you are used to?

I would consider it - in light of the Spirit .

The idea is that I truly believe God speaks to different individuals, and while there may not be a certain way to specifically take communion, it's good to look at the different ways that we do these things as to get a larger picture. That is simply why I say that it is powerful to do it one way, because I've experienced something different and gotten closer because of the way I began to look at communion differently.

That is fine . I see it as a ritual - usually . I won't do it for the sake of doing it ( I am not saying that you are saying that ) .

 

[New_Wineskin]

Faith is however directly associated with Works and obedience though is it not?

I would reword that and say that faith brings forth obedience that shows in works .

1 John and James show us that Faith without works is dead, and if we say one thing and do another we are liars, and hypocrits.

Yet , what they mention in passing is more than balanced by the huge amount of stressing as a main idea in Paul's writings . Any works come naturally *through* faith - not as a conscience effort to do something which shows that it is not natural .

Does not faith in God and in Jesus demand that we obey and if we do not obey does it not show that we are rebelling, or acting in ignorance?

I would say that it brings out obedience and to refuse is rebelling , yes . ( I am unsure of the acting in ignorance - faith is sure ) .

Now maybe the question is: Is communion something that God asks all believers to do?

Absolutely not . How would one know if even one believer was asked by the Lord unless one of them told them ?

 

[Edial]

The context does not show that He was speaking to me . Nor does it show that I was present at the time that He spoke it . Can you show where He is speaking to me in whatever passage you are using ?




There is no baby . So , I see no problem in throwing it out . To see is this is a true doctrine , I desire to throw it all out and rebuild from scratch . Keeping anything could cause the same problem as before . Do you understand my position ?




So is circumcism and keeping the Sabbath and worshipping golden calfs . If these are no longer considered a part of the Scriptures , why keep them bound in the same book ?




I agree . That is why I don't see why people get into a huff if I say that I don't have to do it . It would only matter if it was a requirement for salvation .




If He indeed asked , it would be a salvation issue .

Not only did the Lord ask , but He demanded circumcism . Yet when the Jews wanted the Gentiles to do so ( because the Lord *said* so ) , Paul had a problem . I have the same problem when people tell me that the Lord said such and such because of their interpretation of the Scriptures . They are doing the same thing as the Jews and I provide the same argument that Paul gave .




This whole idea of claiming obedience to short-circuit Paul's writings doesn't wash with me . The Jews wanted obedience of the Scriptures when they wanted the Gentiles to be circumcized . That is all - the same argument . Paul claims that such an argument indicates that it is not of faith and attempting to produce righteousness by works .




The Lord gave only one physical location for the Temple . If the Temple part of the sentence is no londer in play , the whole statement is thrown out . I only bring this up because it was a part of the passage provided . If one part is a must , all of it is . One part no longer a must , none of it is . I would like consistancy .

Consistency of the Bible is in it's continuity.

Continuity consists of many points that are chronological in nature.

Each point fulfills the previous one.

The Bible is revelatory in nature. So, the revelation is gradual. Unveiling.

The error that the Pharisaeic believers were trapped in was that they tried tu lump the OT and NT into one.

So, ... one needed to be a Jew first (circumsised) and then a believer (by faith).

Do you know the verse where Christ said that he fulfilled the law?

Do you know the verses where it states that the Temple is in us now?

(Sorry for asking, I just do not know the extent of your Bible knowledge).

Thanks,
Ed

 

[New_Wineskin]

Consistency of the Bible is in it's continuity.

Continuity consists of many points that are chronological in nature.

Each point fulfills the previous one.

The Bible is revelatory in nature. So, the revelation is gradual. Unveiling.

The error that the Pharisaeic believers were trapped in was that they tried tu lump the OT and NT into one.

So, ... one needed to be a Jew first (circumsised) and then a believer (by faith).

Do you know the verse where Christ said that he fulfilled the law?

Do you know the verses where it states that the Temple is in us now?

(Sorry for asking, I just do not know the extent of your Bible knowledge).

Thanks,
Ed

The Mosaic Covenant was based on the Mosaic writings . The New Covenant is not based on writings . By thinking that it does and looking at the newer writings in the same way as the Jews looked at the older writings is attempting to put new wine into old wineskins . The newer writings *describe* the New Covenant - they are not the New Covenant themselves . It is a misnomer to call the newer writings the "New Testament" . The newer writings show this over and over . It is written that it is no longer about writings on stone or parchment . But , people want paper and ink . If paper and ink could do it , then the Mosaic code would be enough - as Paul wrote . If one is to go by the Scriptures , then the newer ones say to look to the older writings first - because they refer only to the older ones when they speak of the Scriptures . If the older writings are not to be obeyed , neither the new ones .

Now , "Acts" was quoted as saying that they met at the Temple . That passage was talking about a specific location . It has nothing to do with another writing that says that we are the temple of the Holy Spirit . When using the passage that is talking about the physical Temple , then that is what is used . If it no longer exists , one cannot follow any of the rest of the passage presented as it was presented first .

 

[Sleaker]

Absolutely not . How would one know if even one believer was asked by the Lord unless one of them told them ?

Ahh so you are saying this from the standpoint that scripture does not say communion is asked of All believers to do?

 

[brother daniel]

First of all , that is a violation of the forum rules . You know that you should not question another member's christianinty .

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Second , why is it when *you* quote the Scriptures , it is the "Holy Ghost" but when *I* quote the Scriptures , it is the old covenant ?[/quot]

I think you misunderstand what I am saying.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The writings that you call "the New Testament" is a misnomer . The writings are not the new covenant and it is old covenant mentality to consider them to be such . It is a continuation to live under the written code instead of the Spririt . It ignores a huge part of Paul's writings by living under Law .

That is your unique opinion.

As far as I know Paul when refering to the law he was speaking about the religious law as enforced by the Pharisees with violance such as he used against Christians.

That is not the nature of my dialogue here.

The subject that started this was the Apostolic instruction Jesus gave to his disciples at the last supper,
concerning the use of bread and wine as a form of remembering him.

Do you not know that when the newer writings refer to the Scriptures , they first and foremost are referring to the older writings ( what you call the "Old Testament" ) ?

Would you prefer I call it the Torah and Tanach?
Everything Jesus did and speaks of pertains to a NEW Covenent prophesied in the TANACH.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Hbr 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

Hbr 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Hbr 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Do you have a Scriptural passage stating that we "feed" on the Scriptures to obtain faith ?

More than one passage.
Jhn 6:53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Jhn 6:56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.


Eating is feeding. When we study the words of Jesus we are feeding on him. As we are doing now.

Jhn 6:63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.


Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Paul ( in the Scriptures ) says that sush mentality is opposing to faith .

What scripture ?

It is paul in Corinthians that gives instruction concerning
the sharing of bread and wine in rememberence of Jesus.

1Cr 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

1Cr 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink [this] cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

Mar 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake [it], and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.

1Cr 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake [it], and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.


Faith come by hearing, when we study the words of Jesus in scripture we are feeding on him and we are hearing him. Or that the way I understand it.

Act 17:11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Again , a violation . I won't report you this time .
Anyone posting in these forums has given their word that they agree with that creed and they agree that creed meets the criteria for a Christian .

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New_Wineskin, I am glad you agree with baptism in accordance of the CREED , inthe name of the Father , the Son and the Holy Ghost.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

 

[New_Wineskin]

Ahh so you are saying this from the standpoint that scripture does not say communion is asked of All believers to do?

How do you ask that question from what I wrote ?

I wrote :

Absolutely not . How would one know if even one believer was asked by the Lord unless one of them told them ?

There is nothing about the Law of the Scriptures in my quote . I was discussing the Lord and His personal relationship with His children . Of course , one can always have the Law say whatever they want . So , I suppose that you can have an interpretation that the Law says that I must do this communion . I can give several passages to live by the Spirit and not the written code .