Seriously??? I speak in tongues and pray in tongues at will. It most certainly is of God. You need to do your homework before attributing the gifts of the Holy Spirit to satan.
I apologize if I have offended you.
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Seriously??? I speak in tongues and pray in tongues at will. It most certainly is of God. You need to do your homework before attributing the gifts of the Holy Spirit to satan.
I'm sorry that was a disturbing way to have a conversation about speaking in tongues. I understand why that would validate any preconceived thoughts you have. But its not what your brother says that would concern me. Many Baptists speak in tongues, the head of Missions SBC 'J.Rankin' does. Although he's probably the former head of missions??.
I would ask you to pray and search the scriptures. I don't believe the Lord would force anyone, especially if that person thinks it may be satanic to speak in tongues. Its a gift you must desire.
I think we should be submitting to the Holy Spirit but where a gift will cause confusion or division, it may be that the Holy Spirit just simply knows whats best, for that body, then.
As far as being able to pray in tongues on demand I do.
Cor 14:32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets;
1 Cor 14:1 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for[a] he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.
I pray in tongues for self-edification to strengthen the inner man. I don't prophesy in tongues.
God bless, andrea
I apologize if I have offended you.
Near where I live in the outer suburbs of Brisbane Qld, at Burpengary, there is a Baptist Church called 'Access Church', that is as full-on Pentecostal-charismatic a many such churches I've visited.I know that there is considerable diversity within the Baptist movement, but I'm not sure whether this extends to multiple positions on glossolalia.
These verses give the 'purpose' for speaking in tongues and it is not to help a person speak in a foreign language for missionary service:For what purpose?
Here 14:2,4 give 2 excellent reasons for the Spirit-given gift of tongues:For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church (1 Cor 14:2-4 ESV)
Why are you speaking pejoratively - calling it 'gibbering' and 'gibberish' - when God speaks of the genuine gift of tongues that is for the purpose ofMost of us believe it is a true gift from God. But we do not believe gibbering away is speaking in tongues we believe it is when you start speaking a real language go Earth in order to minister to others. So speaking gibberish here at a church in the middle of the United States is not speaking in tongues. So many of us believe it is a real gift from God just one that is very misused here in the US.
These verses give the 'purpose' for speaking in tongues and it is not to help a person speak in a foreign language for missionary service:
Here 14:2,4 give 2 excellent reasons for the Spirit-given gift of tongues:
- to speak to God, and
- to be personally edified (build up oneself).
I want to pursue these purposes that God has given to the church.
Why are you speaking pejoratively - calling it 'gibbering' and 'gibberish' - when God speaks of the genuine gift of tongues
Let me make it very clear. I never said and I do not support how you put it by asking why I 'MUST ... speak in tongues'. Nobody MUST speak in tongues. Of all of the gifts, the Scriptures state, 'earnestly desire' spiritual gifts. I desire God's best for me - and I'll thank him for the gifts He gives me.OK. Why must you speak in tongues to speak to God? Is speaking in tongues more efficacious than speaking to God in English?
God has stated that the gift of tongues does edify personally and that has been my experience. I take him at his word and that is how it happens. It enhances my relationship with the Lord for which I'm grateful.How does tongues personally edify you?
Also, when you speak in tongues for "personal edification", who interprets that for you?
Because I understood that any who read my post could read the rest of the passage.Then why didn't you post the rest of the passage, which addresses the use of tongues in the Church?
It might sound like 'gibbering and gibberish' and 'foolish' to you, but by the kinds of comments you have made in this response to me, you seem to be wanting to denigrate the gift of tongues. I have never experienced the gift of tongues as gibberish for personal edification but as one of God's special gifts for my relationship with God. If God gives the gift of tongues in the church, tongues must be accompanied by the gift of interpretation. That's Bible.Because the way it is practiced today is gibbering and gibberish. I would go further and say that it's foolish.
OzSpen said:God has stated that the gift of tongues does edify personally and that has been my experience. I take him at his word and that is how it happens. It enhances my relationship with the Lord for which I'm grateful.
If you read the Scriptures I gave carefully, esp. 1 Cor 14:2, 4, you would not ask this second question about the need to interpret for personal edification.
The Scriptures do not state that interpretation is necessary for personal edification.
It might sound like 'gibbering and gibberish' and 'foolish' to you, but by the kinds of comments you have made in this response to me, you seem to be wanting to denigrate the gift of tongues.
I have never experienced the gift of tongues as gibberish for personal edification but as one of God's special gifts for my relationship with God.
I encourage you not to disparage the spiritual gifts that God has taught us about
I join with you in offering a biblical correction for the unbiblical use of the gifts (incl tongues) that can be evident in some churches.I don't. I disparage the Unbiblical use of those gifts.
So, to recap, the questions you have left unanswered are:
1. Are tongues more efficacious than English?
2. How does tongues edify you?
3. How are you edified by a language you don't understand?
The Spirit of God, through the Scriptures, here tells us that there is a way to be spiritually edified without using the cortex of the brain - through the gift of tongues where the spirit prays and the mind is not playing a pivotal part - thus being 'unfruitful'.For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also (ESV).
I know that there is considerable diversity within the Baptist movement, but I'm not sure whether this extends to multiple positions on glossolalia.
Thanks, brother for your encouragement. I'm not calling for exaltation of credentials, but for accuracy of exegesis and NT expression.Amen, Ozspen.
Often times people do not realize the credentials of the other person,they are chatting with.
Just a thought,what would the language in the heavenly realms be?
I'm of the opinion it would have to be comprehended spirituality,due to the natural man's lack of understanding of spiritual
Things.
Our minds are temporal,our spirit is celestial in the Body of Christ.
Thanks, brother for your encouragement. I'm not calling for exaltation of credentials, but for accuracy of exegesis and NT expression.
Those of us who have had some involvement in the Pentecostal-charismatic movement know some of the extremes. I want to provide biblical material to counter those accusations. I am disappointed with that which is not supportable by Scripture, but that happens with a number of doctrines that are not unique to the charismatic movt, e.g. deity of Christ, extra-biblical revelation, etc.
We don't know very much about the language in the spiritual realm except that it is language that communicates between our spirit and God's Spirit.
I hope you understand that it is difficult to share with those who are skeptical towards tongues what it is that one experiences from the gift of glossolalia. We are blessed in the knowledge that 1 Cor 14 does provide us with some basic information - enough so that we know that there is a dimension of the gift of tongues for prayer and praise (without interpretation - in private devotions) that is not experienced in English and comprehended by the human brain.
In Jesus,
Oz
Among conversation with others about the gifts,it seems the tongues is the main issue.
My dad was a Bapist Pastor,and when he was young he had a negative experience.
It was in a church to him looked nuts and vulgar.
I guess the ladies were rolling around dresses up,to my dad it was outlandish.
Would be to me too especially if they brought out snakes.
So we had few talks about the subject,but later on I had come to realize the truth in the Word is undeniable.
It is hard to convey at times the blessing of praying in tongues,for me not being taught about
The subject still received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
It started in prayer utterance in tongues,then 3 years later a great outpouring was given to me that was like nothing I could ever imagine.
OzSpen said:Let's turn to the Scripture to answer your questions:
A yes or no answer is not helpful
How is it possible for language given by the Holy Spirit (tongues) and not understood in English to be edifying for the speaker, to be self-edifying? This is not egotistic, self-centred spiritual elitism. My experience is that this is through prayer and praise with the gift of glossolalia (tongues) as I Cor 14:14-15 indicates.
You have taught me something very valuable. Spending about an hour in preparing material to respond to your post was a waste of time, as demonstrated by this kind of response.Why? They were questions to you about your experience.
OK. We'll just mark that one down as a "no".
That's not an answer. All you did is repeat the claim.