What is the "abomination of desolation"?

steve hartman said:

but the anti-christ spoken of in daniel and revelation is the papacy system.

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So far that system has NOT denied the deity of our Lord, nor that HE came in the flesh.

Dave-W said:

Impressive list. (but standard fare)

You left one out: Denies that Christ came in the flesh:

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

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I never denied that their were many anti-christ's as you can see by the fruits of people I am just clarifying that the anti-christ spoken of in daniel and revelation is the papacy always has been and always will be and that can not be denied or proven to be anyone other than the papacy.

steve hartman said:

I am just clarifying that the anti-christ spoken of in daniel and revelation is the papacy always has been and always will be and that can not be denied or proven to be anyone other than the papacy.

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ONLY if you can prove that the pope has denied either the Divinity of Christ, or that He did NOT come in the flesh.

Those points are absolute MUSTS.

Dave-W said:

So far that system has NOT denied the deity of our Lord, nor that HE came in the flesh.

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491. "Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, 'full of grace' through God,[Lk 1:28 .] was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854: The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of JESUS Christ, Saviour of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of ORIGINAL SIN.[Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus (1854): DS 2803

You can also verify this in the online version of the Catechism book at the Vatican website in the "Original Sin" section. Direct link = http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm#III

Besides the fact they lie about Mary and her state of salvation, to declare that Jesus Christ came to this world in a flesh OTHER THAN the flesh the catholic church teaches we bear, is to preach that Jesus did NOT come in the flesh! They say He came in a flesh "not stained" with the stain we supposedly bear! To say Jesus did NOT have in His flesh what "we" have in ours, is to say He did NOT come in our flesh. Therefore, He can not possibly be the same Jesus John spoke of in 1John 4:3 The Roman Catholic Jesus is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of Rome cheated and prevented His flesh from being stained with what Rome calls "original sin." But what is the definition of original sin according to Rome?

steve hartman said:

Besides the fact they lie about Mary and her state of salvation, to declare that Jesus Christ came to this world in a flesh OTHER THAN the flesh the catholic church teaches we bear, is to preach that Jesus did NOT come in the flesh! They say He came in a flesh "not stained" with the stain we supposedly bear! To say Jesus did NOT have in His flesh what "we" have in ours, is to say He did NOT come in our flesh. Therefore, He can not possibly be the same Jesus John spoke of in 1John 4:3

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That is a very far stretch. IMO.

steve hartman said:

The Roman Catholic Jesus is NOT the Jesus of the Bible.

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Neither is the blonde haired blue eyed effeminate pictured in most protestant churches.

He was a JEW. Dark skinned, curly haired. bushy beard. Totally observant with the Law of Moses. Never taught AGAINST any point of the Law of Moses.

IOW - the most observant Orthodox Jew that ever lived.

Dave-W said:

That is a very far stretch. IMO.

Neither is the blonde haired blue eyed effeminate pictured in most protestant churches.

He was a JEW. Dark skinned, curly haired. bushy beard. Totally observant with the Law of Moses. Never taught AGAINST any point of the Law of Moses.

IOW - the most observant Orthodox Jew that ever lived.

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I do not believe he was white like they portray him either I believe he was middle eastern looking that may be a far stretch but you can not deny twice now pope francis has said Jesus failed so how can they claim he is divine but yet fail?

reddogs said:

This is study forum is for new Adventist members, so please refrain from posting here if you are a non-member.

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how are we supposed to reach other denominations then or show them truth?