What is Righteousness?

[Soyeong]

There certainly is a do .... but who is doing it?

It is the work of Christ in the believer.

“Keep my statutes and do them. I am the Lord, who sanctifies you.”
(Leviticus 20:8)

It is a good reminder that none of us is holy, pure in and of ourselves, that God is doing a purifying, sanctifying work in all of us.

Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

1 Peter 1:16
Since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, it is God who makes us like Christ, and what that means is for us to follow Christ's example of obedience to God's law. God commanding His people to have a holy conduct is straightforwardly commanding us to do something, which is expressing God's holiness. Following God's laws for how to have a holy conduct has never been about trying to become holy, but rather it is expressing the fact that God is making us holy.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

...though negative commands should also be understood as commands to do the reverse, such as the command not to steal also being understood as being the command to be generous.

Doing the reverse of the law is exactly what the new covenant is about. Sadly most churches still teach the old covenant laws.

 

[Soyeong]

Doing the reverse of the law is exactly what the new covenant is about. Sadly most churches still teach the old covenant laws.

The New Covenant is still about following the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33), so that is not a difference, but rather that has always been how the Torah was intended to be understood and obeyed.

 

[prophecy_uk]

Sabbath and food laws, are Pharisees kept, and Jesus kept the faith.



The Pharisees are sinners, they keep nothing with their fingers, they say the words and do them not..



Matthew 23:2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,




So why would anyone listen to Pharisees ?


Jesus shows the way to life, it is by laying your life down to death.


Men show their way is Sabbath and food rituals, their way is not life then, and it is exactly why, they are here, disputing, instead of out there, giving their lives away in the same faith of Jesus Christ.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The New Covenant is still about following the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33), so that is not a difference, but rather that has always been how the Torah was intended to be understood and obeyed.

Jeremiah is describing events yet to happen.

 

[HARK!]

Doing the reverse of the law is exactly what the new covenant is about.

I don't believe for a second that the Renewed Covenant is about lying, stealing, murdering, idol worship, and the like.

 

[HARK!]

Jeremiah is describing events yet to happen.

If the Torah isn't written on your heart yet; you can always fall back on the Torah engraved in stone.

 

[HARK!]

So why would anyone listen to Pharisees ?

Because Yahshus said so?

Matthew 23:2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do

The Torah was read from the Moses Seat.

Yahshua is saying observe the Torah; but this isn't the only time that he says it. He preached it throughout his ministry.

 

[childeye 2]

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

Should we take Webster's word for it?

What does YHWH say?

(CLV) Dt 6:25
So it shall come to be righteousness for us when we observe to do all this instruction before Yahweh our Elohim, just as He had enjoined on us.

I notice that YHWH requires us to "do" something.

Could this have changed since YHWH sent his own son to teach us obedience to his Torah?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:7
Little children, let no one be deceiving you. He who is doing righteousness is just, according as He is just.

There's that "do" word again.

Shabbat shalom.

God is Spirit and He is Agape Love. Agape Love is the spiritual impetus that compels us towards righteousness. It is God Who keeps us Holy because there is nothing good in the flesh. God's righteousness exists Eternal, before and apart from the letter of the law. Righteousness for mankind is to Love God with all of one's heart mind and soul.

 

[HARK!]

God's righteousness exists Eternal, before and apart from the letter of the law.

Righteousness is dependent on the law, by definition.

How do you reconcile this?

 

[childeye 2]

Righteousness is dependent on the law, by definition.

How do you reconcile this?

Because Agape Love fulfills the law apart from the law since it's the spiritual presence that is the impetus of Goodness/Love. The law only speaks of what goodness does and does not do. Hence scripture says that the law is a shadow of the substance that is the good thing. Otherwise men could be righteous and good without God's Spirit through the works of the law, and that's not possible. It's not even possible to write a just law without first knowing Love. It is Love that enables us to even care about how our actions will affect others. I don't think a person without love could even care that they didn't have love.

Hebrews 10:1,
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Romans 3:20-22,
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

 

[HARK!]

Because Agape Love fulfills the law apart from the law since it's the spiritual presence that is the impetus of Goodness/Love and the law only speaks of what goodness does and does not do. Hence scripture say that the law is a shadow of the substance that is the good thing. Otherwise men could be righteous and good without God's Spirit through the works of the law, and that's not possible. It's not even possible to write a just law without first knowing Love. It is Love that enables us to even care about how our actions will affect others. I don't think a person without love could even care that they didn't have love.

Hebrews 10:1,
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Romans 3:20-22,
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

None of this answers my question.

By definition, righteousness is dependent on the law. How can righteousness be dependent on the law, while simultaneously being independent of the law? This would violate the law of non-contradiction.

 

[childeye 2]

None of this answers my question.

By definition, righteousness is dependent on the law. How can righteousness be dependent on the law, while simultaneously being independent of the law? This would violate the law of non-contradiction.

Righteousness is not dependent upon the law. The law is a means to describe in the letter what righteousness in a person does and does not do. Hence, through Love, a person could act in accordance with the moral law, having never read nor heard the letter of the law. And apart from God's Spirit the law will only condemn us as unrighteous.

 

[HARK!]

Righteousness is not dependent upon the law. The law is a means to describe in the letter what righteousness in a person does and does not do. Hence, through Love, a person could act in accordance with the moral law, having never read nor heard the letter of the law. Apart from God's Spirit the law will only condemn us as unrighteous.

Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

According to Webster, you are incorrect.

What is your definition of righteousness?

 

[childeye 2]

Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

According to Webster, you are incorrect.

What is your definition of righteousness?

Respectfully, Webster's dictionary does not contradict what I'm saying. My definition of righteousness is the goodness/Love that does what is morally right. Righteousness existed before the law did and even before the knowledge of good and evil. For example one would first need to have righteousness to be able to write a law describing what is morally right and wrong. Hence God exists and should be worshipped as our righteousness. Wherefore righteousness is by grace through faith and it is a gift from God.

 

[HARK!]

Respectfully, Webster's dictionary does not contradict what I'm saying. My definition of righteousness is the goodness/Love that does what is morally right. Righteousness existed before the law did and even before the knowledge of good and evil. For example one would first need to have righteousness to be able to write a law describing what is morally right and wrong. Hence God exists and should be worshipped as our righteousness. Wherefore righteousness is by grace through faith and it is a gift from God.

Do you understand the difference between dependent and independent variables?

 

[HARK!]

Wherefore righteousness is by grace through faith and it is a gift from God.

(CLV) Dt 6:25
So it shall come to be righteousness for us when we observe to do all this instruction before Yahweh our Elohim, just as He had enjoined on us.

 

[childeye 2]

Do you understand the difference between dependent and independent variables?

Yes, I believe I do. But Webster's dictionary does not say righteousness is dependent upon the law. It just says that righteousness acts in accordance with the law. God is righteous and His Spirit is the righteousness which makes us righteous. He is Light and in Him there is no darkness. His righteousness is an attribute of His Holy Character. His Character is not dependent upon the law.

 

[childeye 2]

(CLV) Dt 6:25
So it shall come to be righteousness for us when we observe to do all this instruction before Yahweh our Elohim, just as He had enjoined on us.

It says above "when we observe to do all this instruction"... But who has achieved this righteousness through the works of the law, and who has shown they are without sin except for the Christ? For sin was in mankind before the law was ever given. 13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

1 Timothy 1:9,
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Romans 5:12,
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 15-18,
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Galatians 2:21,
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 3:21,
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

 

[prophecy_uk]

Because Yahshus said so?



The Torah was read from the Moses Seat.

Yahshua is saying observe the Torah; but this isn't the only time that he says it. He preached it throughout his ministry.

Jesus cannot say to hear the Pharisees, because the new covenant is to not be taught by any man, but to be taught of the father ( faith and the Father and Son coming to us and making their abode with us to teach us in the Spirit and not by flesh, that is man)


Jesus speaking for men of Israel to observe what the law says, is reminding the men of Israel, that doing what the law says, is greater than what the Pharisees say, which is to say and do not, to mix lies with what they spoke of God.



Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.